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📈 Venture debt's loss models break - deferred defaults land on the lenders

Sacks' call: every venture-debt underwriting model was calibrated during the ZIRP window, when startup mortality was artificially suppressed by easy equity. As the deferred mortality arrives, covenants trip, lenders pull runway early to get paid ahead of the equity, and realised loss rates on venture lending come in far worse than the models predict - a bad deal for founders and a mispriced book for the lenders.

0 CONVICTION
peaked 59.8 WATCH
DORMANT
band · contested
▼ SHORT HTGC
expression · bearish equities
MISS
outcome · R -78.5% · α -129.5%
2025-02-04
window closed

⚖ Why this verdict

fully deterministic — evaluate.py replays this from daily closes; nothing below is editable or hand-set

  1. Window: 2023-02-04 → 2025-02-04 — first mention + 24-month horizon, then the window locks.
  2. The call: ▼ SHORT HTGC (primary play). HTGC rose 78.5% over the window → direction-adjusted R = -78.5% (the call lost money).
  3. Benchmark: holding SPY over the same window returned +51.0%α = -78.5 − (+51.0) = -129.5% — what this call made or lost against just owning the index. This is the number the verdict uses.
    Stock-selection read: -27.5% — did HTGC move the predicted way relative to the market. The two only differ on a SHORT: this call was right about direction relative to the index but still cost money versus holding it.
  4. Rule fired:
    · HIT — R ≥ +10% AND α ≥ +5
    · PARTIAL — R ≥ +5% OR α ≥ 0
    ▶ MISS — everything else
  5. Credit: supporters of a MISS earn 0 each, opposers the inverse — this feeds the scoreboard weights. supported: Jason, Sacks | opposed: Friedberg | proxy-sensitive: TPVG→PARTIAL (+8.8%)

Conviction timeline

bands: green ≥ 65 · watch ≥ 45 · ember ≥ 15

Plays vs SPY · % since first mention (2023-02-04)

Plays

expressionsymbolkindrelevancerationale
▼ SHORT HTGCstock PRIMARY Hercules Capital - the largest listed pure-play venture-debt lender; the thesis is that its realised losses come in worse than modelled
▼ SHORT BIZDetf adjacent BDC ETF — broader business-development-company read on private-credit-to-startups (via merged idea venture-debt-asset-class-breaks-2023)
▼ SHORT KREetf adjacent SVB was the dominant venture lender but SIVB failed in March 2023 and has no usable price series, so the regional-bank ETF is the tradeable stand-in for the bank side of venture lending
▼ SHORT TPVGstock adjacent TriplePoint Venture Growth BDC - same borrower base, smaller and higher beta to the same credit thesis

Mention log

Jason
Jason equities w=0.97 · n=105 · E114 (2023-02-04) · sentiment · strength 2 ▶ 51:50 SUPPORT
“On top of all this inefficiency is a dependence on venture debt. I don't know if you're seeing this, Sacks, but the amount of focus on adding debt to unprofitable companies over the last five years has been just extraordinary.”
Sacks
Sacks equities w=0.89 · n=96 · E114 (2023-02-04) · explicit_prediction · strength 3 ▶ 55:54 SUPPORT · horizon 60mo
“So look, I just wonder what I don't trust is whether the return models on venture debt that were created over the last five to 10 years will be a good predictor of what the returns will be in the next five to 10 years when a lot of the mortality that should have happened in the past now happens in the future.”
Sacks
Sacks equities w=0.89 · n=96 · E119 (2023-03-11) · positioning · strength 3 ▶ 1:14:16 SUPPORT
“So after the conversation we had on the show about venture debt, I'm like, I don't really like that SVB is in this business. So I told my guys, set up an account somewhere else.”
Friedberg
Friedberg equities w=0.87 · n=120 · E119 (2023-03-11) · sentiment · strength 3 ▶ 25:06 OPPOSE
“I get it, but the asset as an asset class, we can make fun of it all we want. It's actually performed pretty well. These guys have generated typically 18% as an industry kind of returns.”
Jason
Jason equities w=0.97 · n=105 · E119 (2023-03-11) · sentiment · strength 2 ▶ 31:06 SUPPORT
“And this is exactly what happened in 2008, when people started giving those no recourse or no background check mortgages. Remember those? Where like you didn't have to do a background check to get a mortgage? That's what happened in venture. They just gave these, I saw it firsthand, willy-nilly.”
Sacks
Sacks equities w=0.89 · n=96 · E120 (2023-03-17) · sentiment · strength 2 ▶ 26:08 SUPPORT
“Moreover, I always try to talk founders out of taking venture debt, whether from SVB or elsewhere.”

Who built this conviction

each voice's total force on the score — supports and opposes from every mention, weighted exactly as the replay applied them · share = % of all mention-driven movement

Sacks
Sacks w=0.89
3 scoring events · 59% of moves
+52.1 → net +52.1
Jason
Jason w=0.97
2 scoring events · 26% of moves
+23.1 → net +23.1
Friedberg
Friedberg w=0.87
1 scoring event · 14% of moves
+0.0 / -12.5 → net -12.5

⏳ decay drained -52.5 over the idea's life — that's time passing, attributed to no one

Score events

episodekindΔafternote
E114 2023-02-04 init +37.2 37.2 E114 born by Sacks (explicit_prediction x3) [w=0.89]
E114 2023-02-04 reinforce +13.7 50.9 E114 Jason support x2 (new voice) [w=0.97]
E115 2023-02-11 decay -1.0 49.9 E115 silent
E116 2023-02-17 decay -1.0 48.9 E116 silent
E118 2023-03-03 decay -1.0 47.9 E118 silent
E119 2023-03-11 oppose -12.5 35.4 E119 Friedberg opposes x3 [w=0.87]
E119 2023-03-11 reinforce +9.4 44.8 E119 Jason support x2 [w=0.97]
E119 2023-03-11 reinforce +8.8 53.6 E119 Sacks support x3 [w=0.89]
E120 2023-03-17 reinforce +6.2 59.8 E120 Sacks support x2 [w=0.89]
E121 2023-03-24 decay -1.2 58.6 E121 silent
E122 2023-03-31 decay -1.2 57.4 E122 silent
E123 2023-04-07 decay -1.1 56.3 E123 silent
E124 2023-04-14 decay -1.1 55.2 E124 silent
E125 2023-04-21 decay -1.1 54.0 E125 silent
E126 2023-04-28 decay -1.1 53.0 E126 silent
E128 2023-05-12 decay -1.1 51.9 E128 silent
E129 2023-05-19 decay -1.0 50.9 E129 silent
E130 2023-05-26 decay -1.0 49.9 E130 silent
E131 2023-06-02 decay -1.0 48.9 E131 silent
E132 2023-06-10 decay -1.0 47.9 E132 silent
E133 2023-06-16 decay -1.0 46.9 E133 silent
E134 2023-06-24 decay -0.9 46.0 E134 silent
E135 2023-07-01 decay -0.9 45.1 E135 silent
E136 2023-07-09 decay -0.9 44.2 E136 silent
E137 2023-07-14 decay -0.9 43.3 E137 silent
E139 2023-07-27 decay -0.9 42.4 E139 silent
E140 2023-08-04 decay -0.8 41.6 E140 silent
E141 2023-08-11 decay -0.8 40.7 E141 silent
E142 2023-08-18 decay -0.8 39.9 E142 silent
E143 2023-08-25 decay -0.8 39.1 E143 silent
E144 2023-09-01 decay -0.8 38.3 E144 silent
E146 2023-09-22 decay -0.8 37.6 E146 silent
E147 2023-09-29 decay -0.8 36.8 E147 silent
E148 2023-10-07 decay -0.7 36.1 E148 silent
E149 2023-10-13 decay -0.7 35.4 E149 silent
E150 2023-10-20 decay -0.7 34.7 E150 silent
E151 2023-10-27 decay -0.7 34.0 E151 silent
E152 2023-11-03 decay -0.7 33.3 E152 silent
E156 2023-12-08 decay -0.7 32.6 E156 silent
E157 2023-12-16 decay -0.7 32.0 E157 silent
E158 2023-12-23 decay -0.6 31.3 E158 silent
E159 2023-12-29 decay -0.6 30.7 E159 silent
E160 2024-01-06 decay -0.6 30.1 E160 silent
E161 2024-01-13 decay -0.6 29.5 E161 silent
E162 2024-01-19 decay -0.6 28.9 E162 silent
E163 2024-01-26 decay -0.6 28.3 E163 silent
E164 2024-02-02 decay -0.6 27.7 E164 silent
E165 2024-02-09 decay -0.6 27.2 E165 silent
E166 2024-02-16 decay -0.5 26.7 E166 silent
E167 2024-02-23 decay -0.5 26.1 E167 silent
E168 2024-03-01 decay -0.5 25.6 E168 silent
E169 2024-03-08 decay -0.5 25.1 E169 silent
E170 2024-03-15 decay -0.5 24.6 E170 silent
E171 2024-03-22 decay -0.5 24.1 E171 silent
E172 2024-03-29 decay -0.5 23.6 E172 silent
E173 2024-04-05 decay -0.5 23.1 E173 silent
E174 2024-04-12 decay -0.5 22.7 E174 silent
E175 2024-04-19 decay -0.5 22.2 E175 silent
E176 2024-04-26 decay -0.4 21.8 E176 silent
E177 2024-05-03 decay -0.4 21.3 E177 silent
E178 2024-05-10 decay -0.4 20.9 E178 silent
E179 2024-05-17 decay -0.4 20.5 E179 silent
E180 2024-05-24 decay -0.4 20.1 E180 silent
E181 2024-05-31 decay -0.4 19.7 E181 silent
E182 2024-06-07 decay -0.4 19.3 E182 silent
E183 2024-06-14 decay -0.4 18.9 E183 silent
E184 2024-06-20 decay -0.4 18.5 E184 silent
E185 2024-06-29 decay -0.4 18.2 E185 silent
E186 2024-07-04 decay -0.4 17.8 E186 silent
E187 2024-07-12 decay -0.4 17.4 E187 silent
E188 2024-07-19 decay -0.3 17.1 E188 silent
E189 2024-07-26 decay -0.3 16.7 E189 silent
E190 2024-08-02 decay -0.3 16.4 E190 silent
E191 2024-08-09 decay -0.3 16.1 E191 silent
E192 2024-08-16 decay -0.3 15.8 E192 silent
E193 2024-08-23 decay -0.3 15.4 E193 silent
E194 2024-08-30 decay -0.3 15.1 E194 silent
E195 2024-09-06 decay -0.3 14.8 E195 silent
E196 2024-09-20 decay -0.3 14.5 E196 silent
E197 2024-09-27 decay -0.3 14.2 E197 silent
E198 2024-10-03 decay -0.3 14.0 E198 silent
E199 2024-10-11 decay -0.3 13.7 E199 silent
E200 2024-10-18 decay -0.3 13.4 E200 silent
E201 2024-10-25 decay -0.3 13.1 E201 silent
E202 2024-11-01 decay -0.3 12.9 E202 silent
E203 2024-11-08 decay -0.3 12.6 E203 silent
E204 2024-11-16 decay -0.3 12.4 E204 silent
E205 2024-11-23 decay -0.2 12.1 E205 silent
E206 2024-12-07 decay -0.2 11.9 E206 silent
E207 2024-12-13 decay -0.2 11.6 E207 silent
E208 2024-12-20 decay -0.2 11.4 E208 silent
E209 2025-01-04 decay -0.2 11.2 E209 silent
E210 2025-01-11 decay -0.2 11.0 E210 silent
E211 2025-01-18 decay -0.2 10.7 E211 silent
E212 2025-01-25 decay -0.2 10.5 E212 silent
E213 2025-01-31 decay -0.2 10.3 E213 silent