E157: Epic legal win, OpenAI's news deal, FCC targets Elon, the limits of free speech & more
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Tier crossings
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Who moved the board
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What got argued (8 ideas)
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Off the FCC's cancellation of Starlink's $885M rural-broadband award, with FCC commissioner Carr naming DOJ, FAA, FTC, NLRB, SDNY and Fish & Wildlife as already acting, Sacks' claim is that the Biden administration is running open political retaliation against Elon and that the cost lands on the listed vehicle: Tesla loses the whole $7,500 EV credit as of 31 December after a surprise IRS decision, and a 2-million-car autopilot 'recall' was forced by regulatory pressure. Chamath's mechanism is death by a thousand cuts - drip-drip enforcement distracts management and makes companies misfire (Jason's precedent: Microsoft's antitrust decade) while subsidy is diverted to less innovative competitors. Friedberg takes the other side: Elon operates beyond every existing regulatory framework, so scrutiny is a necessity, not harassment.
it was presumed, just based on the trend, that Tesla would lose half the credit, keep half the credit. And in a bit of a surprising move, the IRS came out and said the whole thing, we're not going to acknowledge anymore.... one could guess that there is an attempt here to kind of do the death by a thousand cuts approach
Epic's jury win over Google Play puts the mobile app-store tax in play: Sacks and Jason argue the Apple/Google duopoly is an absolute gatekeeper monopoly that keeps ratcheting its rake and has to be controlled by restricting anti-competitive conduct, and that a coordinated industry litigation wave forces open sideloading and third-party stores, compressing a ~$135B/yr high-margin services line. Friedberg and Chamath take the direct other side: Google wins on appeal, the case proves nothing about the body of law, 15% on renewing subscriptions is commercially reasonable, and app-store behaviour does not materially change.
it's unrealistic for you to frame this as validating or justifying the fact that these companies won't be able to access and utilize open data under fair use to train models... So what ChatGPT is doing is they're accessing content behind a paywall... So it's not a training data set that's now being unlocked
it is Getty's right to then make derivative products based on their images... that is no excuse to use an open web crawler to avoid getting a license from the original owner of that. Just because you can technically do it doesn't mean you're allowed to do it.
I think what Dill Ackman is doing is brave because he is taking on DEI, and that is, historically, that's been one of the most dangerous things you can do.... And finally, we have someone who's willing to take it on and challenge it, challenge it at an ideological level and then challenge it at like a just grift level.
Episode digest
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Labels are clean in E157 — Jason top talker at 163 turns, all four hosts present and content-verified, with `Alex Jones` and `Joe Rogan` labels being played clips (nothing captured from them) and `Nick` the producer reading listener questions. Epic's jury win over Google Play splits the room hard enough to be its own idea: Sacks calls the app stores 'absolute monopolies' that ratchet their rake and must be conduct-regulated, Jason wants a coordinated industry litigation wave to force sideloading, while Friedberg (Google wins on appeal, 15% on renewals is commercially fair, the stock didn't move) and Chamath ('what does it materially prove? nothing') say nothing changes — the four-voice split is the whole value of the capture. The AI-copyright fight got re-litigated off OpenAI's Axel Springer deal, with Jason playing his own E115 tape as a victory lap (the replayed clip is quarantined — nothing captured from it) and getting rolled anyway: Friedberg reframes the deal as paid retrieval of paywalled content rather than a training-data licence, Sacks doubles down on fair use, and Chamath brushes the whole thread off as 'navel gazing nonsense... inning one and nobody knows anything'. On the FCC pulling Starlink's $885M rural award, Sacks reinforces the E125 Starlink-dominance thesis ('the only one that has that capability if you look forward a few years') and the crew builds a new bearish-Tesla thesis around coordinated agency harassment — Chamath's IRS receipt (Tesla loses the FULL $7,500 EV credit on 31 Dec, not half) plus death-by-a-thousand-cuts distraction, with Friedberg the lone dissenter. Two judgement calls to double-check: Sacks' mention on `structural-breakup-remedy-for-big-tech-2023` is deliberately strength 1 because he affirms the anti-M&A-lever half of that thesis but here advocates conduct remedies rather than structural breakup; and Friedberg's DTC aside ('every DTC company in the last five years has gotten obliterated', Amazon squeezing harder than any app store) was left uncaptured for lack of a clean instrument. Also skipped as untradeable: the entire Alex Jones free-speech hour, Chamath's call that Claudine Gay is gone within a year (no listed instrument), and Sacks' Taleb-apology Ukraine victory lap, where the 'settlement is the likely outcome' line is Taleb's tweet being read aloud rather than Sacks' own forward claim.