E120

E120: Banking crisis and the great VC reset

2023-03-17 spoken.md · speaker-labeled ▶ watch ← E119 all episodes E121 →

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ideas born
13
ideas moved
19
captures · 4 voices
2
dissenting
+123.4
conviction added
-128.3
decay · 114 silent

Every number here is replayed from score_events — the same ledger the pool ranks on. Decay is what the 114 ideas nobody mentioned gave up this week; it applies only when an episode is processed.

Tier crossings

conviction thresholds crossed by this episode — 65 / 45 / 15 · ideas born here show where they landed. why 65 isn't always green

▲ +6.5 📈 This drawdown is the best vintage in a decade to build and deploy watch green threshold 64.0 → 70.6 still ember — green gate not met
▲ +16.8 🏦 Cash + front-end T-bills are the place to be in 2023 watch green threshold 48.2 → 65.0 still ember — green gate not met
▲ +46.5 🏦 Fed's bank funding facility only kicks the can — massive rate cuts are the exit born at watch 46.5
▲ +14.0 🏛️ Ukraine endgame is an organized negotiated detente, not a Ukrainian win dormant ember 6.8 → 20.8
▼ -10.1 📈 Private capital concentrates in a few mega-GPs that take themselves public ember dormant 19.5 → 9.5

Who moved the board

each voice's force on conviction this episodesupports and opposes, weighted exactly as the replay applied them · share = % of this episode's movement

Chamath
Chamath
5 captures · 38% of movement · 1 idea born
+41.9 / -22.1 → net +19.8
Jason
Jason
6 captures · 35% of movement
+58.2 → net +58.2
Sacks
Sacks
7 captures · 23% of movement
+38.8 → net +38.8
Friedberg
Friedberg
1 capture · 4% of movement
+6.6 → net +6.6

What got argued (13 ideas)

ordered by how hard each idea moved · quotes are verbatim from the transcript, timestamps deep-link into the episode

NEW TLT 🏦 Fed's bank funding facility only kicks the can — massive rate cuts are the exit closed 6 CONTESTED ▲ +46.5 0.0 → 46.5

Chamath's read of the facility the Fed stood up over the weekend of 2023-03-12: it lends against banks' underwater bonds at PAR for one year at roughly 4.9% (OIS + 10bp), so every non-top-four bank's rational move is to pledge its impaired book, take the dollar, and re-buy treasuries yielding far more — an arbitrage the Fed itself created. That is roughly $2T of unrealized losses outside the top four, plus another $1-2T gap at JP Morgan/BofA/Citi/Wells the Fed will also have to backstop. Nothing is fixed: the loans mature in twelve months, and the only way the banks can repay is for the Fed to take an emergency posture and cut rates hard enough to re-inflate those bonds. So mark 2024-03-15 as the next crisis date and expect the cuts before it.

plays TLT ·primary KRE XLF evals 2024-03-17
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction 12mo horizon ▶ 30:49
As far as I can tell, all we've done is we've kicked the can down the road for a year. But I do think it's important for people to realize this doesn't solve the problem. It just means that mark your calendar for a year from now. We have a problem on March 15th, 2024, because all those folks that took money, what do we do?
Jason
Jason support ×1 sentiment ▶ 31:25
And maybe if they can slowly, you know, either start rate cuts or pause.
BIL 🏦 Cash + front-end T-bills are the place to be in 2023 closed 36 ▲ +16.8 48.2 → 65.0
Jason
Jason support ×2 positioning ▶ 51:17
And then finally, you can go to TreasuryDirect.gov right now and buy short term government debt. And I literally have startups doing this who have major treasuries.
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 sentiment ▶ 52:37
What I'd much rather see a startup do is buy 100% US T-bill backed money market fund run by the absolute biggest of the big financial institutions because you can get in and out of it at any time you want without paying a fee.
SPY 🏛️ Ukraine endgame is an organized negotiated detente, not a Ukrainian win closed 18 CONTESTED ▲ +14.0 6.8 → 20.8
Jason
Jason support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:25:39
The war is going to end there because we're not funding this. And the American public is not going to want to see tens of billions of dollars go into Ukraine and to fund this war in year two or three.
XLY 🌍 The US consumer taps out in 2023 — recession unavoidable closed 4 CONTESTED ▲ +13.7 28.0 → 41.7
Jason
Jason support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:25:39
Given what's going on with these banks and what's going on in this kind of a, I think we all agree, the soft landing concept is over. We're going to be in a recession.
BX 📈 Private capital concentrates in a few mega-GPs that take themselves public closed 41 CONTESTED ▼ -10.1 19.5 → 9.5
Chamath
Chamath oppose ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 54:58
All roads lead to, it says we're in for a slog. And so trying to put a $2 billion fund to work doesn't seem to make a lot of economic sense to some of the smartest people in the room.
KRE 📈 SVB failure triggers deposit flight out of the regional banks closed 30 ▲ +8.1 69.4 → 77.5
Sacks
Sacks support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 18:36
However, it has also now, I think, created a situation where people are less confident about them. And so the money flows are going from the regional banks to the systemically important banks, the SIBs.
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 27:40
Because if it's two trillion for everybody else but the top four, what's the gap for the top four? That looks like it's somewhere between a trillion and two trillion.
IPO 📈 This drawdown is the best vintage in a decade to build and deploy closed 36 CONTESTED ▲ +6.5 64.0 → 70.6
Sacks
Sacks support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 58:33
All of that being said, I think I'd rather be an investor today than an investor two years ago or one year ago, because at least the valuations have corrected to some degree.
Chamath
Chamath oppose ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 59:53
So even if you think these vintages are great, I don't think they're open for business.
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:04:10
In fact, the contrary point to Sacks' comment is that it is a great time to be buying these shares and it is a great time to be investing and it is a great time because as we've talked about countless times, there are extraordinary technologies from AI to biotech becoming software to fusion to novel applications with AI and SaaS and on and on and on.
Jason
Jason support ×3 positioning ▶ 1:06:33
What we did was we just said anybody who gets to an MVP and it's two or three builder co-founders, we'll give them a 25k check. And I did 20 or 30 of these 25k checks in the last couple of months
HTGC 📈 Venture debt's loss models break - deferred defaults land on the lenders closed 10 CONTESTED ▲ +6.2 53.6 → 59.8
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 sentiment ▶ 26:08
Moreover, I always try to talk founders out of taking venture debt, whether from SVB or elsewhere.
NVDA 🤖 Generative AI is the next Silicon Valley bubble cycle closed 24 CONTESTED ▲ +5.9 49.3 → 55.2
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 sentiment ▶ 58:33
And then also we have this really interesting AI wave happening now, and there's a lot of opportunities to invest in that new cycle.
SPY 🏛️ Regulators backstop all uninsured deposits within days closed 58 ▲ +4.8 67.0 → 71.8
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 6:30
And by Sunday night, the Fed had acted and basically implemented our recommendations, which was to basically intervene.
IPO 📈 Startup mass extinction event in late 2023 and 2024 closed 35 ▲ +4.6 65.4 → 70.0
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 sentiment ▶ 58:33
I mean, it is going to be a hard period with a lot of resets, a lot of restructuring, a lot of cap tables. There's a lot of mess to clean up.
IPO 📈 SVB collapse is an extinction-level event that freezes startup funding closed 57 ▲ +4.5 69.0 → 73.5
Jason
Jason support ×2 sentiment ▶ 1:35
was absolutely terrifying up close and personally watching people pulling money out of banks and watching people have to set up loans to hit their payroll.
IPO 📈 Late-stage private marks reset 30-60% — down-round IPOs become the norm closed 85 ▲ +1.9 87.1 → 89.0
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 55:37
Number two, Stripe basically takes a 50% haircut, which is the single best-run, most highly valued company in Silicon Valley. Again, that's going to eviscerate a lot of TVPI in a lot of people's portfolios, a lot of theoretical money that LPs were going to get.

Episode digest

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Week two of the banking crisis: mostly reinforcement of E119's calls, with Sacks re-upping regional deposit flight (the 2018 de-reg built a two-tier system, money is moving from the regionals to the SIBs, 'more shoes to drop') and claiming the weekend backstop was their recommendation. The one new idea is Chamath's: the Fed's par-value lending facility is a one-year can-kick over ~$2T of losses outside the top four plus $1-2T inside it, whose only exit is massive rate cuts — 'mark your calendar' for 2024-03-15. UNSCOREABLE CALL, DELIBERATELY NOT COINED — Chamath on Credit Suisse at 9:55: 'At Credit Suisse, they have an enormous amount of liquidity... But the balance sheet itself was not only liquid but also very solvent', blaming the run on a cherry-picked 45 seconds of the Saudi National Bank chairman and concluding 'that panic has largely gone'; two days later CS was force-merged into UBS, the residual equity cut ~60% and $17B of AT1s written to zero. It gets no idea because it cannot be scored honestly: CS and CSGN.SW have no series (ingest maps CS to nothing), and every live proxy over the 12-month window records this wrong call as a HIT — EUFN and UBS both rallied hard, UBS partly BECAUSE he was wrong, and even the AT1/CoCo ETFs that fell 5-9% on the wipeout (AT1.L, CCBO.L, COCB.L) ended the year up 2-19%. His stance is on the record here at full strength rather than laundered into a narrower containment thesis he never actually stated. The VC-reset half is the richer material: Founders Fund halving its fund, Stripe's 50% haircut, Tiger's 33% write-down and Sequoia's UC returns give the late-stage marks-reset idea a table-pounding confirmation nine days before its window shuts, and Chamath flips on his own mega-GP consolidation call. Sacks, Friedberg and Jason all pound the buy-the-downturn-vintage thesis while Chamath takes the other side hard — 'even if you think these vintages are great, I don't think they're open for business', with UC Berkeley 'effectively out of business' as an LP. Diarization CLEAN: all four content-verified on fingerprints (including two Friedberg turns, after his E119 zero-turn merge); two cosmetic vocative bleeds at 4:41 and at the head of Chamath's 22:07 turn, neither affecting a capture.