E149

E149: Hamas terror attacks in Israel: fallout, reaction, next steps

2023-10-13 spoken.md · speaker-labeled ▶ watch ← E148 all episodes E150 →

2
ideas born
6
ideas moved
13
captures · 3 voices
2
dissenting
+111.0
conviction added
-126.5
decay · 115 silent

Every number here is replayed from score_events — the same ledger the pool ranks on. Decay is what the 115 ideas nobody mentioned gave up this week; it applies only when an episode is processed.

Tier crossings

conviction thresholds crossed by this episode — 65 / 45 / 15 · ideas born here show where they landed. why 65 isn't always green

▲ +21.5 🏛️ Affirmative-action ruling propagates into corporate DEI and ESG ember green threshold 44.0 → 65.5 still ember — green gate not met
▲ +40.5 🏛️ Broken cost-plus procurement forces a shift to new-entrant defense tech born at ember 40.5
▲ +37.0 🏛️ Oct-7 derails Israel-Saudi normalization and reprices regional risk born at ember 37.0

Who moved the board

each voice's force on conviction this episodesupports and opposes, weighted exactly as the replay applied them · share = % of this episode's movement

Sacks
Sacks
5 captures · 50% of movement · 2 ideas born
+78.7 → net +78.7
Jason
Jason
4 captures · 31% of movement
+25.7 / -24.0 → net +1.7
Chamath
Chamath
4 captures · 19% of movement
+30.6 → net +30.6

What got argued (6 ideas)

ordered by how hard each idea moved · quotes are verbatim from the transcript, timestamps deep-link into the episode

NEW AVAV 🏛️ Broken cost-plus procurement forces a shift to new-entrant defense tech closed 33 ▲ +40.5 0.0 → 40.5

US defense procurement is a consolidated, single-source, cost-plus oligopoly whose prices ratchet up every year (a $6,000 US artillery shell versus Russia's $600) while stockpiles run dry. In a multipolar world where China can out-produce the US, innovation is the only remaining American advantage, so contracts and capital rotate toward software/autonomy/drone-native suppliers rather than legacy primes.

plays AVAV ·primary KTOS PLTR evals 2024-10-13
Sacks
Sacks support ×3 sentiment ▶ 47:09
But the thing that I think we agree with is that the US better bring more innovation into the military industrial complex and figure out, like, procurement, because our whole cost plus system right now is so broken. There was an article recently in The New York Times where it said that the cost of the United States of producing an artillery shell is $6,000. For Russia, it's $600.
Jason
Jason support ×2 sentiment ▶ 52:31
In Silicon Valley, we have now the funding of military startups, and there's a whole new class of warfare, supersonics, drones, quadcopters
NEW EIS 🏛️ Oct-7 derails Israel-Saudi normalization and reprices regional risk closed 15 CONTESTED ▲ +37.0 0.0 → 37.0

The Hamas attack's strategic objective was to break the Abraham-Accords track, and it worked: the near-final Israel-Saudi normalization goes on hold and no wider Middle East deal happens until the Palestinian question is addressed. The risk-premium compression that came with normalization reverses across Israeli and Gulf assets.

plays EIS ·primary KSA evals 2024-10-13
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 sentiment ▶ 13:06
And so I worry that the progress that was made in the Abraham Accords, all the normalization goes off the rails.
Jason
Jason oppose ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 15:01
But I'm an optimist, and I actually think that in some ways, this is going to create a climate where people are going to really fight to try to resolve this situation, or at least contain the situation. Two-State Solution, the Abraham Accords. And I think this is going to renew people's commitment to peace in the region.
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 17:17
The big news that has been going on in the last few months is that supposedly Israel and Saudi Arabia were close to working out some sort of normalization. And I think that process has been put on hold until I think this has been dealt with. ... I don't think we're going to get to a larger deal in the Middle East. We're not going to resolve all these problems until this long festering problem of the treatment of the Palestinians is dealt with.
ESGU 🏛️ Affirmative-action ruling propagates into corporate DEI and ESG closed 42 ▲ +21.5 44.0 → 65.5
Jason
Jason support ×2 sentiment ▶ 42:22
So no, I don't think it's out of line. I think it's an important lesson for people. This is not freedom of speech.
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 sentiment ▶ 43:39
If they're going to create a cancel culture where people get canceled for their decade-old tweets and so forth, then they should be prepared to live by that standard. ... So I wouldn't cancel them forever. But look, I do think that it's fine and appropriate for someone like Belacan to say, I don't want to hire you people.
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 sentiment ▶ 44:15
Yeah, and I would just be careful for you to add the word youthful because I think it's a get out of jail free card. It's definitely stupidity. The question is, is the cake baked? And if the cake is baked, then there's a big argument to never hiring these people.
ITA 🏛️ Nobody's incentives point at de-escalation — the war economy ratchets up closed 50 CONTESTED ▲ +7.9 54.6 → 62.5
Sacks
Sacks support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 50:13
That artillery stockpile was basically taken and given to Ukraine. Remember, we ran out of the key type of ammunition in the Ukraine War, which is 155-millimeter artillery shells. That's why we gave them cluster bombs. The US is already dangerously low on ammunition, and that's before we get potentially another war or another front in this larger global conflagration that's happening.
DJT 🏛️ The Mar-a-Lago raid makes Trump nearly unbeatable for the 2024 nomination closed 38 CONTESTED ▲ +2.1 52.9 → 55.1
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 sentiment ▶ 1:02:41
I think that when Trump was elected, I was told that it was the end of the world. And that's what I thought. And I'd already underwritten him as an F, okay? And then four years into the presidency, he was probably like a C. In my mind. And then as I get a little bit of distance away, I realized, no, hold on a second. This guy was like a BB+, like he was pretty good.
Sacks
Sacks support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:04:20
By the way, at this rate, the way things are going in this country right now, both economically and internationally, he's going to waltz into the White House. He's going to spend all of his time in the next year in the courthouses, battling all of these lawsuits, the lawfare against him. He's not going to be able to campaign, and it won't even matter because people are going to be so done with this.
Jason
Jason oppose ×2 sentiment ▶ 1:04:41
And nobody wants him as president again. So I think that's... Everybody wants new choices.
TLT 🏦 Phase three of the 2023 crisis is a US government debt crisis closed 87 ▲ +1.9 85.2 → 87.1
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 sentiment ▶ 1:02:41
And unfortunately, the few things that if he could have just pushed through, would have really saved America. The biggest one being these 100-year bonds. It would have kept America from getting to the precipice of fiscal ruin. And we'd be in a highly different situation.

Episode digest

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Friedberg was out (stated on-mic) and the episode is almost entirely Oct-7 geopolitics and campus culture war, with no discussion of oil, rates, equities or crypto anywhere in it. The two genuinely market-linked threads are the Abraham-Accords track and defense procurement: Sacks says the near-final Israel-Saudi normalization is now on hold and no wider Middle East deal happens until the Palestinian question is settled, Chamath worries the normalization 'goes off the rails' (though he hedges minutes later that this could pull Saudi closer instead), and Jason takes the other side as an optimist who thinks the attack renews the peace push - a clean three-voice split, coined as middle-east-normalization-derails-regional-risk-2023 (EIS/KSA). Sacks then spends six minutes on the cost-plus procurement system - a $6,000 US artillery shell versus Russia's $600, single-source primes raising prices annually, the US 155mm stockpile already handed to Ukraine and 'dangerously low' before a second front - which reinforces war-economy-defense-spending-ratchet-2023 and, with Jason on military startups and 'a whole new class of warfare', supports a new defense-tech idea. Attached mentions also went to fbi-raid-locks-in-trump-2024-nomination-2022 (Sacks: he 'is going to waltz into the White House'; Chamath re-grades Trump to a B/B+; Jason dissents), us-sovereign-debt-crisis-phase-three-2023 (Chamath on the missed 100-year bonds and the 'precipice of fiscal ruin'), and scotus-aa-ruling-unwinds-dei-esg-2023, where all three endorse the Ackman employer-blacklist of woke-signalling students - the corporate-propagation leg of that thesis. Left untraded in the digest: Chamath on the WSJ's walked-back Iran blame, Sacks on multipolarity and China's manufacturing edge, the two-state-solution debate, and the Kushner/Lex interview, none of which carried a directional market claim.