Big Fed rate cuts, AI killing call centers, $50B govt boondoggle, VC's rough years, Trump/Kamala
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Sacks' value-capture question about the unicorn-valued AI customer-support startups: if the foundation models keep advancing at this rate, a startup of a few engineers can take next year's model, train it on the same freely available support corpus, and rebuild the whole product - so a thin app-layer wrapper has no durable moat and those valuations do not hold. Chamath's receipt is that 8090 deliberately refused to build in customer service for exactly this reason ('commoditized and run over by these foundational models within a year'), and Jason's version is that it eventually runs locally on a laptop. The value therefore accrues to the model layer and the companies that own it rather than to the application startups chasing the disruption.
Chamath's read of the 18 September half-point opening cut: Powell's 'economy is in very good shape' rhetoric is at odds with the magnitude of the move, and the dot plot puts terminal rates dramatically lower inside 18 months, so the smart financial actors are pricing recession or contraction rather than a soft landing. The next few quarters bring downward GDP revisions and earnings pressure showing up in company guidance, and financial assets then have to contract because they are not worth as much when they are earning less - the pattern after the 2001 and 2007 50bp kickoff cuts. Sacks supplies the mechanism (the yield curve has finally de-inverted, which historically is when the recession actually arrives, not when it inverts) but explicitly declines to call one.
Sacks' positive close after the ZIRP-hangover diagnosis: the 2020-21 liquidity bubble is mostly worked through, capital deployment is back to roughly 2019 levels, and if the 50bp cut is followed by another 50 this year with inflation genuinely tamed, then cheaper capital plus the biggest tech wave since the late-90s internet puts venture and the exit market back into a golden era - a real cycle rather than a bubble. The listed expression is the IPO and alt-manager complex, which is where a reopening exit window shows up first. Chamath takes the other side on that exit leg: too many companies are stacked up with very few routes to public-market capital, the IPO process is fundamentally broken, and it has to be reinvented before liquidity actually returns.
if these interest rate cuts are real, like if we just got 50, if we get another 50 this year, if inflation is really tamed, and it's never going to go to zero, but if they go down substantially, and we have this new AI disruption, this new AI tailwind, we could be back in another golden era.
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Friedberg is out (post-Summit), so this is Jason, Chamath and Sacks on the Fed's 50bp kickoff cut. Chamath restates his own rate-path call - cuts run to 2-3% by end-2026 and terminal rates are dramatically lower inside 18 months - but reads the size of the opening move as the Fed seeing real pressure, so he expects downward GDP revisions and a contraction in the value of financial assets; Sacks notes Powell's rhetoric is at odds with the magnitude and flags that recessions historically arrive when the curve de-inverts, while explicitly declining to call one. All three converge hard on AI eating level-one customer support (Sacks: massive disruption within two to three years, millions of jobs, and the error-rate/failover structure makes it the first tolerable use case), with the sharper new wrinkle being that the app-layer startups chasing it get commoditized by next year's foundation model - Chamath's receipt is that 8090 refused to build in customer service for exactly that reason, while pitching agents that build a digital twin of Workday/Salesforce and let you switch the incumbent off, which Sacks openly doubts. The $50B rural-broadband and EV-charger boondoggle gets folded into the existing Elon-retaliation thesis: Sacks re-cites the revoked $885M Starlink award as pure political retaliation, Chamath generalizes it to an administrative state that picks enemies off tweets. On venture, the Carta DPI data and the collapse in first-time managers raising a second fund (>50% to <15%) get treated as confirmation that the alpha is gone - Chamath calls average returns decaying 50-100%, Sacks shows doubled entry prices turning 2X into 1X - though Sacks closes bullish on a rate-cut-plus-AI 'golden era' that Chamath rejects on the grounds that the IPO exit route is fundamentally broken. Sacks and Jason both have Trump favored to win, on issue mix and shy-voter under-polling respectively.