E130

E130: DeSantis's Twitter Spaces, debt ceiling, Nvidia rips, state of VC, startup failure & more

2023-05-26 spoken.md · speaker-labeled ▶ watch ← E129 all episodes E131 →

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ideas born
17
ideas moved
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captures · 4 voices
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dissenting
+129.0
conviction added
-112.6
decay · 109 silent

Every number here comes from the conviction ledger — the same one the pool ranks on. Decay is what the 109 ideas nobody mentioned gave up this week; it applies only when an episode is processed.

Tier crossings

conviction thresholds crossed by this episode — 65 / 45 / 15 · ideas born here show where they landed. why 65 isn't always green

▲ +14.6 📈 Legacy journalism is obsolete - the opinion economy takes the audience watch → green threshold 62.2 → 76.8 still watch — needs 2 besties on board
▲ +12.6 🤖 A decade of zero rates under-trained a generation of operators watch → green threshold 58.3 → 70.9 still watch — needs 2 besties on board
▲ +9.2 🤖 Musk turns Twitter around fast - MAU value doubles or triples ember → watch 39.0 → 48.1
▲ +9.5 🤖 SaaS gets replaced by MaaS — Models as a Service ember → watch 36.5 → 46.0
▲ +42.0 📈 Model Y becomes the best-selling car in America born at ember 42.0
▼ -19.5 🤖 Moore's law never ended - it moved to GPUs and expert systems go next level watch → ember 50.3 → 30.8

Kill dates that landed since E129

2 hit · 0 partial · 1 miss — windows that closed after 2023-05-19 and up to 2023-05-26, auto-scored against price data and never hand-set. result · return · vs SPY

Who moved the board

each voice's push on conviction this episode, in conviction points — supports and opposes · share = % of this episode's movement

Chamath
Chamath
11 captures · 56% of movement · 1 idea born
+80.4 / -77.0 → net +3.5
Sacks
Sacks
11 captures · 25% of movement
+71.9 → net +71.9
Friedberg
Friedberg
5 captures · 14% of movement
+39.4 → net +39.4
Jason
Jason
2 captures · 5% of movement
+14.3 → net +14.3

What got argued (17 ideas)

ordered by how hard each idea moved · quotes are verbatim from the transcript, timestamps deep-link into the episode

NEW ▲ TSLA 📈 Model Y becomes the best-selling car in America closed 14 ▲ +42.0 0.0 → 42.0

Chamath's call after switching off the Model X he has driven since 2015: the Model Y is a step-change product and, with incentives, the base trim now costs less than the average new car in America. So it takes the best-selling-car crown outright, not just the best-selling-EV one — Tesla's next leg is mass-market volume at mass-market price points rather than premium mix.

plays TSLA ·primary evals 2024-05-26
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:34:16
That Model Y is going to be the best selling car. It's going to be the best selling car in America. If you get the base level, it's actually cheaper than the average car in America now with incentives.
▲ NVDA 🤖 Moore's law never ended - it moved to GPUs and expert systems go next level closed 53 POD DISAGREES ▼ -19.5 50.3 → 30.8
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 58:32
Well, I mean, I was talking with the CEO and CFO of a major data center REIT, and they shared with me that they're seeing more demand in the last couple of months than they've seen in the prior 10 years.
Jason
Jason support ×3 explicit_prediction 120mo horizon ▶ 59:51
And I think this is the great renewal for America, another amazing American company. It's only three decades old. It's best years, it's best decades are in front of it, obviously.
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 sentiment ▶ 1:00:41
Yeah, Nvidia has basically joined the trillion-dollar club now in terms of market cap companies. It's really amazing. I mean, I'm kind of kicking myself because this was the easiest buy ever.
Chamath
Chamath reversal ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:01:08
But when you look at the valuation of the business, they are currently trading at 70 times the next 12 months EBITDA. So how do you think about valuation, even at a trillion dollar market cap, at a trillion dollar market cap, they're trading at 70 times next 12 months EBITDA.
▲ SPY 🏛️ Debt-ceiling standoff resolves — they raise it and keep spending closed 13 POD DISAGREES ▲ +18.4 46.0 → 64.4
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 sentiment ▶ 29:16
You know what happened? Absolutely fucking nothing. So I do think that this is another opportunity for the little red riding hoods to get their panties in a bunch. But these downgrades don't mean much of it.
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 32:42
They're going to have to raise the debt ceiling. That being said, I think they're going to be able to. Reuters had a report this morning that they're only 72 billion apart now in their positions, which is a relatively small amount. So my guess is they're going to work this out.
▼ NYT 📈 Legacy journalism is obsolete - the opinion economy takes the audience closed 62 ▲ +14.6 62.2 → 76.8
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 sentiment ▶ 7:11
Instead, what this was, was a really seminal moment, I think, in further divorcing ourselves away from the mainstream media.
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 sentiment ▶ 13:10
So you have a hysterical overreaction by the traditional media, and they simply don't like, A, that Elon is dis-remediating them by letting the politicians go direct, and then, B, he's restored the platform to be a free speech platform.
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 sentiment ▶ 13:44
And I think one of the greatest things that's happening right now that could be a great benefit for this modern democracy is the sort of stuff that we've been doing on our podcast and RFK coming on board like last week and what Sacks did with Twitter.
▼ ARKK 🤖 A decade of zero rates under-trained a generation of operators closed 61 ▲ +12.6 58.3 → 70.9
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:17:29
This is the beginning of the beginning. All of these people who have zero judgment are going to fuck so many companies up.
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 sentiment ▶ 1:18:51
And unfortunately, most folks who are working in the investor community that are sitting on boards weren't around for the dot-com crash the last time this happened.
▼ CRM 🤖 SaaS seat contraction — net revenue retention goes below 100% closed 53 ▲ +11.5 23.5 → 35.0
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 sentiment ▶ 1:12:52
And I think that startups are absolutely seeing that in their sales right now. Sales are slipping. It's taking longer.
▼ IGV 🤖 SaaS gets replaced by MaaS — Models as a Service closed 20 POD DISAGREES ▲ +9.5 36.5 → 46.0
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:10:35
So even if you set out a team and said, just copy exactly what Figma has, with a copilot enabling 50 engineers, that's like 500 engineers cranking on something, I would be surprised if they couldn't just replicate the product end-to-end.
▲ TSLA 🤖 Musk turns Twitter around fast - MAU value doubles or triples closed 22 ▲ +9.2 39.0 → 48.1
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 sentiment ▶ 12:26
We had about 300,000 people contemporaneously in my Twitter space. I think Mario had a couple hundred thousand. But if you look at the numbers today, there's already 10 million views for this thing.
▲ NYT 🏛️ AI's training data gets a copyright bill - citations, links and licences closed 13 POD DISAGREES ▲ +7.7 48.4 → 56.2
Jason
Jason support ×2 sentiment ▶ 1:06:32
They made specific note when they launched this that all of this is done with stock photography. They have the complete license to, so they can monetize this without getting sued like Microsoft is currently being sued.
▼ TLT 🏦 Phase three of the 2023 crisis is a US government debt crisis closed 87 ▲ +7.3 36.5 → 43.7
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 34:34
And it does beg the question, you know, would you want to buy bonds from an entity that's generating $4 trillion in revenue and spending $6 trillion and has a plan to do that for the foreseeable future?
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 36:09
I mean, the inflation is here and the crowding out of private investment and private borrowing is now occurring because the government borrowing is so big.
Chamath
Chamath oppose ×3 explicit_prediction 60mo horizon ▶ 41:49
But if you flip them around, I'm just telling you, it's not like I want any of this to happen, but I'm telling you, nothing will change and you guys will still be crying wolf in five years. It'll still be the same. It'll just be a different debt-to-GDP number that gives you anxiety.
▼ IPO 📈 Startup mass extinction event in late 2023 and 2024 closed 35 ▲ +6.8 84.1 → 90.9
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:10:35
And so the question there is, how many of those companies are just going to stop spending because they're just not going to exist?
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:18:51
There's a lot of failure going on in Silicon Valley right now. You know, Sacks, you talk a little bit about having paths for exit and options for SaaS companies. But there are many sectors in startup land that don't have those sorts of options in biotech, in SYNBIO, in FinTech, in direct-to-consumer, e-commerce.
Sacks
Sacks support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:32:09
The money is being sucked out of the system like the tide before a tsunami. And the tsunami is going to be all the failures and bankruptcies.
▲ MSFT 🤖 Foundation models are a big-tech oligopoly - the substrate gets given away closed 31 POD DISAGREES ▲ +5.2 65.2 → 70.4
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 explicit_prediction 72mo horizon ▶ 1:02:10
But the most important thing, I think, to remember is that where the real value gets accrued is five, six, seven years later when the software and services companies show up and create a huge moat. And those are the Googles and the Facebooks and the Apples of the world.
▼ SPY 🌍 Rate hikes bite with a lag - back in recession next year closed 20 POD DISAGREES ▲ +4.8 67.7 → 72.5
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:12:06
I think that speaks to the larger economy is not doing that well. I think the economists a year from now may say that the recession had already begun.
▲ NVDA 🤖 Generative AI is the next Silicon Valley bubble cycle closed 24 POD DISAGREES ▲ +4.4 75.6 → 80.0
Sacks
Sacks support ×3 sentiment ▶ 1:12:06
The AI startups, there's a lot of interesting things happening in there and money is being pushed at them by VCs. It's very frothy, arguably bubbly.
▲ ADBE 📈 Adobe/Figma at $20B is a good deal - the 15-20% selloff is an overreaction closed 0 POD DISAGREES ▼ -4.4 4.4 → 0.0
Chamath
Chamath oppose ×2 sentiment ▶ 1:09:17
My thought on the Adobe thing for what it's worth is like, do they want a mulligan on this $20 billion Figma thing?
▲ ITA 🏛️ Nobody's incentives point at de-escalation — the war economy ratchets up closed 51 POD DISAGREES ▼ -3.7 44.7 → 41.0
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 36:09
But the reason that broke, quite frankly, is because the lobbying power of the military industrial complex is so great in both the Republican and Democratic parties that they basically wanted the sequester over to keep raising the defense budget.
Chamath
Chamath oppose ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 57:22
This is Biden's signature legislation is creating energy independence for America, which will have an enormous peace dividend. You will not fight these stupid endless wars.
▲ META 🤖 Twitter's riff proves big tech is overstaffed - lean-opex reset ahead closed 50 POD DISAGREES ▲ +2.6 82.9 → 85.5
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 sentiment ▶ 1:32:52
And, you know, after seeing what Elon did at Twitter, where he reduced the staff by 80%, I'm like, I realize there's no good excuse anymore for not giving yourself the maximum chance of survival.

Episode digest

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DIARIZATION DEFECT: Friedberg is merged into CHAMATH's label, not Jason's — the lone `David Friedberg` turn (38:06) is a played Jon Stewart clip, so Friedberg has zero real labelled turns despite being addressed by name eight times and getting three direct hand-offs (13:36, 44:37, 1:18:27) plus Sacks saying "I agree with Friedberg" twice. Every capture here was attributed from content; the 44:38 and 1:24:06 turns interleave Chamath and Friedberg mid-turn (the Kana/Production Board confession sits inside a Chamath-labelled turn). Two days after NVDA's ~25% AI-guidance rip, Sacks admitted the GPU trade was "the easiest buy ever" and that he missed it, Jason called Nvidia's best decades still ahead, and Friedberg brought the receipt (a data-center REIT seeing more demand in two months than the prior ten years, nearly all GPU racks) — while Chamath, who coined the GPU thesis at E094, argued against his own idea: 70x forward EBITDA, hyperscaler custom ASICs smearing the profits, multiples compressing, "a few quarters of this hype" then the smart money moves to the next lily pad. On the debt ceiling both Chamath and Sacks said it gets raised (Sacks: "they're only 72 billion apart… my guess is they're going to work this out" — the deal landed the next day), while Chamath tore into the fiscal doomers, arguing the US should refinance out past 100 years and inflate the debt away and that the hawks "will still be crying wolf in five years"; Friedberg took the other side and predicted taxes rise rather than spending falls. The state-of-VC block was the most consistent reinforcement in the episode: Sacks's "tale of two cities" (frothy AI, everything else missing numbers), his "tsunami of failures and bankruptcies", Chamath's "beginning of the beginning" on unqualified board members, and Friedberg's Kana wind-down — $30m of Production Board capital returned after two term sheets vaporised. One new idea coined: Chamath's outright call that the Model Y becomes the best-selling car in America, base trim cheaper than the average US car with incentives.