E118

E118: AI FOMO frenzy, macro update, Fox vs Dominion, US vs China & more with Brad Gerstner

2023-03-03 spoken.md · speaker-labeled ▶ watch ← E116 all episodes E119 →

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ideas born
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ideas moved
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captures · 4 voices
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dissenting
+193.6
conviction added
-103.1
decay · 101 silent

Every number here is replayed from score_events — the same ledger the pool ranks on. Decay is what the 101 ideas nobody mentioned gave up this week; it applies only when an episode is processed.

Tier crossings

conviction thresholds crossed by this episode — 65 / 45 / 15 · ideas born here show where they landed. why 65 isn't always green

▲ +8.7 🤖 OpenAI is 2023's biggest winner — Microsoft deal inevitable watch green threshold 63.0 → 71.7 still ember — green gate not met
▲ +6.0 🌍 Rate hikes bite with a lag - back in recession next year watch green threshold 64.6 → 70.5 still ember — green gate not met
▲ +23.2 🏛️ TikTok crackdown impairs ByteDance and hands share back to US platforms watch green threshold 47.0 → 70.1 still dormant — green gate not met
▲ +26.0 📈 This drawdown is the best vintage in a decade to build and deploy ember green threshold 40.8 → 66.7 still ember — green gate not met
▲ +6.4 🏦 Inflation hasn't peaked and the terminal rate is above what's priced watch green threshold 59.3 → 65.7 still ember — green gate not met
▲ +18.7 📈 Stock-based comp and Evergreen dilution get repriced watch green threshold 46.7 → 65.4 still ember — green gate not met
▲ +25.1 🤖 Foundation models are a big-tech oligopoly - the substrate gets given away ember watch 36.9 → 61.9
▲ +12.6 🤖 Own the top 30% of global tech and hold it five to ten years ember watch 40.3 → 53.0
▲ +7.5 🏦 Cash + front-end T-bills are the place to be in 2023 ember watch 42.7 → 50.2
▲ +7.8 📈 Wall Street earnings estimates are wrong - the E resets, not just the multiple ember watch 38.0 → 45.8
▲ +33.8 🏛️ Dominion's $1.6B defamation claim against Fox fails the actual-malice test born at ember 33.8
▼ -24.8 🌍 The US consumer taps out in 2023 — recession unavoidable watch ember 53.9 → 29.1
▲ +13.6 🌍 Nearshoring to Mexico as China's cheap-labour edge disappears dormant ember 14.9 → 28.5
▲ +13.4 📈 Private capital concentrates in a few mega-GPs that take themselves public dormant ember 6.5 → 19.9
▼ -11.0 🏛️ CHIPS Act capex subsidy is corporate welfare that doesn't fix Intel ember dormant 18.4 → 7.3

Kill dates that landed since E116

2 hit · 0 partial · 0 miss — windows that closed after 2023-02-17 and up to 2023-03-03, auto-scored against price data and never hand-set. verdict · R · α

ideaverdictRαclosed
⚡ Europe has to replace Russian gas — US natural gas and LNG export is the answer HIT +24.4% +30.4 2023-02-24
📈 Pandemic pull-forward reverses — COVID winners take an estimate double-whammy HIT +55.1% +61.1 2023-02-24

Who moved the board

each voice's force on conviction this episodesupports and opposes, weighted exactly as the replay applied them · share = % of this episode's movement

Brad Gerstner
Brad Gerstner regular guest ×1.0
11 captures · 44% of movement
+101.7 / -40.9 → net +60.7
Chamath
Chamath
14 captures · 31% of movement
+76.1 / -23.8 → net +52.3
Sacks
Sacks
10 captures · 22% of movement · 1 idea born
+72.4 → net +72.4
Jason
Jason
1 capture · 3% of movement
+8.1 → net +8.1

What got argued (23 ideas)

ordered by how hard each idea moved · quotes are verbatim from the transcript, timestamps deep-link into the episode

NEW FOXA 🏛️ Dominion's $1.6B defamation claim against Fox fails the actual-malice test closed 0 CONTESTED ▲ +33.8 0.0 → 33.8

Sacks' legal read of the Murdoch deposition: Dominion cannot win because New York Times v. Sullivan requires actual malice, and Murdoch admitted everything except that - he conceded Fox platformed claims it knew or should have known were false, but said the motive was fear of losing audience to a rival network, i.e. greed, which is a complete defense. So Fox escapes the liability the headlines imply, and even a guilty finding would not support $1.6B of damages.

plays FOXA ·primary FOX evals 2024-03-03
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:17:13
But I don't think they're going to be because that's not the legal standard. I believe that if a television network knowingly spreads and endorses baseless accusations against somebody, which they know or should know is basically untrue, I think they should absolutely be liable for libel or defamation. But that is not what the law requires.
IPO 📈 This drawdown is the best vintage in a decade to build and deploy closed 36 CONTESTED ▲ +26.0 40.8 → 66.7
Brad Gerstner
Brad Gerstner support ×2 explicit_prediction guest ×1.0 ▶ 27:06
I'm not going to invest in venture in the next two vintages, which may be the best two vintages we've seen in a long time because prices are adjusting
Jason
Jason support ×3 positioning ▶ 48:18
This feels like the best it's been for me as an angel investor, seed investor, seed fund for a long time. This is fantastic. Great deal flow.
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 sentiment ▶ 49:11
But if you're talking about new investment, new rounds, new companies that are starting with a clean sheet of paper and a blank slate, you're right. Things seem good and normal. People are making intelligent investments.
MSFT 🤖 Foundation models are a big-tech oligopoly - the substrate gets given away closed 30 CONTESTED ▲ +25.1 36.9 → 61.9
Brad Gerstner
Brad Gerstner support ×2 explicit_prediction guest ×1.0 ▶ 11:31
It may all end up with Microsoft and Google. I mean, this may end up looking like iOS and Android at the foundation model level.
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 sentiment ▶ 15:03
Maybe it just all ends up accreting to the big companies who can make massive investments in this space.
XLY 🌍 The US consumer taps out in 2023 — recession unavoidable closed 4 CONTESTED ▼ -24.8 53.9 → 29.1
Chamath
Chamath oppose ×2 sentiment ▶ 45:43
So there is more and more money coming into people's pockets that we don't realize.
Brad Gerstner
Brad Gerstner oppose ×2 sentiment guest ×1.0 ▶ 46:42
Add in the things that Chamath's talking about, and I'm not sure you took a lot of money out of people's pockets.
META 🏛️ TikTok crackdown impairs ByteDance and hands share back to US platforms closed 11 CONTESTED ▲ +23.2 47.0 → 70.1
Brad Gerstner
Brad Gerstner support ×2 positioning guest ×1.0 ▶ 1:21:37
I'm a much bigger shareholder of Metta who stands to do incredibly well if TikTok in the US is banned.
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:25:52
Will it be banned? Yes, because it's the most obvious cultural way to pick a fight with China without actually picking a fight with China.
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:26:56
I just think Chamath is right that TikTok is going to be GPC roadkill. And GPC stands for Great Power Competition.
IGV 📈 Stock-based comp and Evergreen dilution get repriced closed 35 ▲ +18.7 46.7 → 65.4
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 sentiment ▶ 1:01:25
Can you imagine the totality of stock based comp that's been given out by all these companies since two thousand and fifteen when they were cagering their employee bases by twenty five percent a year? I bet you it's a trillion and a half dollars at least.
Brad Gerstner
Brad Gerstner support ×3 explicit_prediction guest ×1.0 ▶ 1:02:36
One hundred percent. This has been the greatest grift in the history of Silicon Valley for sure.
TMO 📈 Infrastructure-spend compounders are the best asset of 2023 closed 10 ▲ +15.6 27.1 → 42.8
Brad Gerstner
Brad Gerstner support ×2 sentiment guest ×1.0 ▶ 1:30:03
I would argue that it's not just the Chips Act. It's also IRA, which is another trillion dollars of funding for basically onshore and supply chains.
EWW 🌍 Nearshoring to Mexico as China's cheap-labour edge disappears closed 31 ▲ +13.6 14.9 → 28.5
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 sentiment ▶ 1:32:03
We're going to rely on Central and South America in a meaningfully bigger way.
BX 📈 Private capital concentrates in a few mega-GPs that take themselves public closed 41 CONTESTED ▲ +13.4 6.5 → 19.9
Brad Gerstner
Brad Gerstner support ×2 explicit_prediction guest ×1.0 ▶ 28:10
I think subscale small funds with no DPI, they're going to find a really, really tough time to Chamath's point about DPI raising capital. And you're going to see the scale player scale.
QQQ 🤖 Own the top 30% of global tech and hold it five to ten years closed 6 CONTESTED ▲ +12.6 40.3 → 53.0
Brad Gerstner
Brad Gerstner support ×2 sentiment guest ×1.0 ▶ 46:42
Find five companies that you think are going to grow and earn more money, irrespective of the direction of rates and inflation. Own those and enjoy your life.
TLT 🏦 Inflation stays sticky in 2023 — the wage chapter closed 8 CONTESTED ▼ -12.0 57.7 → 45.7
Brad Gerstner
Brad Gerstner oppose ×2 sentiment guest ×1.0 ▶ 40:09
My suspicion, if you look at Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs, the consensus view is that we're still heading in the direction of 4% faster than I think people emotionally think. So I would say there's maximum uncertainty in the world. The fear that inflation is uncapped, the way Larry Summers was articulating November and December, is less today than it was.
INTC 🏛️ CHIPS Act capex subsidy is corporate welfare that doesn't fix Intel closed 4 CONTESTED ▼ -11.0 18.4 → 7.3
Chamath
Chamath reversal ×2 sentiment ▶ 1:28:12
And now all of a sudden we have complete optionality and now we can deal with the greater Chinese hegemony in a much more balanced way.
MSFT 🤖 OpenAI is 2023's biggest winner — Microsoft deal inevitable closed 32 CONTESTED ▲ +8.7 63.0 → 71.7
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 sentiment ▶ 20:21
So I think this is going to be a game changer. I think this is based on the ChatGPT 3.5 API and, of course, coming out with 4 later this year.
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 23:53
For OpenAI, the way that it could become a trillion dollar company is actually by cutting the cost to such a low degree that nobody else can effectively compete with it.
META 🤖 Twitter's riff proves big tech is overstaffed - lean-opex reset ahead closed 52 CONTESTED ▲ +8.4 80.4 → 88.8
Brad Gerstner
Brad Gerstner support ×3 explicit_prediction guest ×1.0 ▶ 54:43
And I think it's a really important change because I think it breathes new productivity into all these businesses.
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 sentiment ▶ 57:00
And the thing that I took away from it was just how much agency, you know, CEOs have that they're not using.
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 sentiment ▶ 59:38
And it's probably, you know, sort of 50 percent headcount reduction. That's probably the the bound in which things break.
SPY 📈 Wall Street earnings estimates are wrong - the E resets, not just the multiple closed 23 CONTESTED ▲ +7.8 38.0 → 45.8
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 43:28
once we all realize that these earnings are fake and you reset down 15%, that's where you get to the mid-3000 in the S&P 500
NVDA 🤖 Moore's law never ended - it moved to GPUs and expert systems go next level closed 55 CONTESTED ▲ +7.6 53.2 → 60.8
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 17:57
I think it's at the silicon layer, because you need to really re-architect how compute will actually work in a world of all of these models. Those folks will get paid. If you look at AMD and Nvidia, they've been getting paid for years.
BIL 🏦 Cash + front-end T-bills are the place to be in 2023 closed 36 ▲ +7.5 42.7 → 50.2
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 sentiment ▶ 8:48
when the risk-free rate is somewhere north of 5 or 5.5% and banks are willing to give you 6.5% in the short term, you have to generate more than three times that to make an investment make sense when you're investing in the long term.
TLT 🏦 Inflation hasn't peaked and the terminal rate is above what's priced closed 15 CONTESTED ▲ +6.4 59.3 → 65.7
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 42:06
My governing principle, I think I probably said it too many times, but I'll say it again. Rates are going to be higher than we like, and they'll stay here longer than we want. So if you use that as a principle, whenever the consensus thinks we're done, it's been pretty profitable to be on the other side of consensus. And so I still kind of maintain that we're probably going to have a 5.5% fed funds rate.
SPY 🌍 Rate hikes bite with a lag - back in recession next year closed 18 CONTESTED ▲ +6.0 64.6 → 70.5
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 sentiment ▶ 49:11
So I tend to be a little bit gloomy with respect to the big macro picture because I just don't see how you can change rates this fast.
IPO 📈 Late-stage private marks reset 30-60% — down-round IPOs become the norm closed 85 ▲ +4.7 80.5 → 85.2
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction 18mo horizon ▶ 31:05
I think we're going to see in the second half of 23 and all of 24 is a lot of medicine being taken, a lot of down rounds, a lot of structure.
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 sentiment ▶ 32:55
And at the same time, there are a lot of companies who don't want to see the writing on the wall and will do all kinds of gymnastics to try to stick a landing on a contorted financing.
NVDA 🤖 Generative AI is the next Silicon Valley bubble cycle closed 24 CONTESTED ▼ -3.2 54.5 → 51.4
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 8:48
And so the 500-odd companies, Jason, you mentioned, will get a lot of it and it'll get torched because most of them probably won't amount to much of anything in the short term.
Brad Gerstner
Brad Gerstner oppose ×2 sentiment guest ×1.0 ▶ 11:31
But, you know, when I look at $10 or $11 billion, you know, let's put it in context. Meta is going to spend $20 billion in one year alone on ARVR.
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 sentiment ▶ 22:03
If you're a founder and you build one feature on top of the open AI API, now all of a sudden you're going to market yourself as an AI company.
AAPL 🤖 Models commoditize — proprietary data is the only AI moat closed 4 CONTESTED ▲ +2.9 82.0 → 84.9
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 17:57
You have to remember, all these models are open-sourced and none of them mean anything in the absence of the data you give it to train on.
NYT 📈 Legacy journalism is obsolete - the opinion economy takes the audience closed 60 ▲ +2.5 76.2 → 78.7
Sacks
Sacks support ×1 sentiment ▶ 1:54:50
I personally don't think we should promote any stories by the mainstream media. We have no idea whether it's true or not.

Episode digest

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Friedberg was genuinely absent (taking Lavoro public on Wall Street) with Brad Gerstner in the fourth chair, so the zero-turn label is innocent - the E101 shape. The AI FOMO segment mostly reinforced existing theses rather than coining: Chamath table-pounded picks-and-shovels (custom silicon, AMD/NVDA) plus his 'white truffles' proprietary-data moat and predicted the 500 model startups get torched, while Brad pushed back on the bubble framing on scale grounds ($11B is nothing next to Meta's $20B a year on AR/VR) and both he and Sacks conceded the value capture probably accretes to Microsoft and Google like iOS/Android. Macro split cleanly: Chamath re-upped 5.5% fed funds and 'higher for longer' at full strength plus a fake-earnings/mid-3000s S&P warning, Sacks stayed gloomy on the pace of hikes, but Brad took the other side of both the consumer recession and sticky-inflation calls (retail and e-commerce strong, disinflation faster than sentiment). The strongest new material was Brad's table-pounding stock-based-comp attack - 'the greatest grift in the history of Silicon Valley', Coinbase SBC at 70% of revenue, 25% cumulative dilution at Salesforce/Expedia versus a 50bp gold standard - and the Elon-effect efficiency thread, which all three hosts backed. On China all four converged on Sacks' 'Great Power Competition' frame with TikTok as roadkill (Brad disclosed he is long both ByteDance and, larger, Meta as a hedge; Chamath told shareholders to sell), and Chamath notably flipped on the CHIPS Act, now framing the couple-of-trillion onshoring spend as a cheap option not to have to defend Taiwan. One new idea coined: Sacks' prediction that Dominion's $1.6B claim fails the NYT v. Sullivan actual-malice test because Murdoch admitted greed, not malice. Minor label bleed: Chamath's interjection 'That's not true because you have to understand stimulus is still entering the economy' sits at the tail of Jason's 45:18 turn - nothing was captured from it.