E182

DOJ targets Nvidia, Meme stock comeback, Trump fundraiser in SF, Apple/OpenAI, Texas stock market

2024-06-07 spoken.md · speaker-labeled ▶ watch ← E181 all episodes E183 →

2
ideas born
16
ideas moved
25
captures · 4 voices
5
dissenting
+176.7
conviction added
-128.6
decay · 124 silent

Every number here is replayed from score_events — the same ledger the pool ranks on. Decay is what the 124 ideas nobody mentioned gave up this week; it applies only when an episode is processed.

Tier crossings

conviction thresholds crossed by this episode — 65 / 45 / 15 · ideas born here show where they landed. why 65 isn't always green

▲ +38.3 📈 Gamified retail speculation overwhelms fundamental price-setting ember green threshold 31.0 → 69.3 still ember — green gate not met
▲ +13.6 🏛️ Speculative-competition antitrust blocks chill tech M&A watch green threshold 54.8 → 68.4 still watch — green gate not met
▲ +9.5 ⚡ 100 million homes become mini-utilities and strand incumbent utility debt ember watch 36.3 → 45.9
▲ +36.4 📈 Record 2024 Atlantic hurricane season drives catastrophe losses born at ember 36.4
▲ +32.9 📈 Texas Stock Exchange breaks the NYSE/Nasdaq listing duopoly born at ember 32.9
▼ -14.4 🏛️ Biden stays the nominee - there is no mechanism to remove him ember dormant 26.5 → 12.1

Who moved the board

each voice's force on conviction this episodesupports and opposes, weighted exactly as the replay applied them · share = % of this episode's movement

Friedberg
Friedberg
5 captures · 33% of movement · 2 ideas born
+83.3 → net +83.3
Chamath
Chamath
8 captures · 33% of movement
+58.5 / -23.9 → net +34.6
Jason
Jason
6 captures · 17% of movement
+29.6 / -14.4 → net +15.2
Sacks
Sacks
6 captures · 17% of movement
+43.5 → net +43.5

What got argued (16 ideas)

ordered by how hard each idea moved · quotes are verbatim from the transcript, timestamps deep-link into the episode

HOOD 📈 Gamified retail speculation overwhelms fundamental price-setting closed 34 ▲ +38.3 31.0 → 69.3
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 39:55
I don't think that there's anything about the actual performance of the underlying business in the security that you are buying or selling when you are making a decision about whether or not to buy or sell this security.
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 sentiment ▶ 42:59
It's basically a game where the Redditors, they bid up the stock to levels that realistically it's not worth that much.
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 43:21
they can get synthetically short. So they'll add leverage to this using all kinds of esoteric derivatives that other banks on Wall Street will happily sell them. And then when those are disclosed, then the Redditors can just pump it even more, which causes massive margin calls.
Jason
Jason support ×2 sentiment ▶ 58:08
the people who are betting on these things are not looking to get a 7% return or beat the average. I mean, they're looking to double their money in 48 hours.
NEW KIE 📈 Record 2024 Atlantic hurricane season drives catastrophe losses closed 33 ▲ +36.4 0.0 → 36.4

Friedberg calls for record Atlantic sea-surface temperatures in the August-October 2024 window, pushing an unusually large number of major hurricanes into the continental US and Mexico. The market read-through is catastrophe losses at the P&C insurers and reinsurers writing Gulf and Atlantic coastal risk.

plays KIE ·primary RNR UVE evals 2024-12-07
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×3 explicit_prediction 6mo horizon ▶ 1:11:48
we will see record sea surface temperatures in the August to October timeframe, which will almost certainly push massive hurricane events out of the Atlantic and they will find their way towards the continental US and Mexico
NEW NDAQ 📈 Texas Stock Exchange breaks the NYSE/Nasdaq listing duopoly closed 5 ▲ +32.9 0.0 → 32.9

A BlackRock- and Citadel-backed challenger exchange (TXSE) attacks a two-venue listing duopoly that has stopped innovating and has layered non-securities requirements (board-diversity targets, DEI listing rules) plus ~$7.4M going-public costs onto issuers. A cheaper, CEO-friendly third venue pulls listings and pricing power away from the incumbents and forces their listing/compliance economics down.

plays NDAQ ·primary ICE evals 2025-06-07
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 sentiment ▶ 59:58
I think if you have a third player, there's a chance that more competition will create more rational behavior, which will flow into the companies themselves. So I'm a huge fan of this.
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 sentiment ▶ 1:01:02
it showed the cost of going public on Nasdaq, Amex and the New York Stock Exchange was about $7.4 million. Cost of going public through an over-the-counter bulletin board listing service was about $2 million.
DJT 🏛️ Biden stays the nominee - there is no mechanism to remove him closed 0 CONTESTED ▼ -14.4 26.5 → 12.1
Jason
Jason oppose ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 27:37
This is why I think Biden's getting hot-swapped this month. You heard it here first.
GS 🏛️ Speculative-competition antitrust blocks chill tech M&A closed 53 CONTESTED ▲ +13.6 54.8 → 68.4
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 sentiment ▶ 19:44
I think the DOJ and the FTC are totally way out of their ski tips on this. This is a totally nascent industry.
Sacks
Sacks support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 24:24
It's way too early in the development of these markets to say that these are clearly monopolists. There's still a lot of competition going on.
AAPL 🤖 Smartphone manufacturers slow as consumers skip generations closed 19 CONTESTED ▲ +13.5 16.7 → 30.3
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:06:30
I think people have realized that four generations ago was more than enough. And on top of this, the stuff that you value inside the iPhone is not what you're going to need for AI.
COIN 🪙 Crypto collapse triggers a multi-year enforcement and litigation wave closed 45 CONTESTED ▲ +13.0 22.0 → 35.0
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 sentiment ▶ 25:07
You just had Biden veto a bill that would have finally given crypto a regulatory framework in the US. It passed with 60 votes in the Senate, including Democrats like Chuck Schumer, and it still wasn't good enough.
TAN ⚡ 100 million homes become mini-utilities and strand incumbent utility debt closed 10 CONTESTED ▲ +9.5 36.3 → 45.9
Jason
Jason support ×2 sentiment ▶ 1:16:53
Solar is just getting so cheap. Batteries are getting so cheap, putting batteries in your home, putting solar in
NVDA 🤖 AI capex outruns app-layer revenue - Nvidia's terminal-value problem closed 0 CONTESTED ▲ +8.3 49.0 → 57.3
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 19:44
It is true that we've spent probably $750 billion to a trillion dollars collectively now on things with the AI label, but it is also true that that's probably generated less than $10 billion of revenue.
INDA 🏛️ AI regulation pushes model development offshore - bet on India closed 19 ▲ +8.1 35.2 → 43.3
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 sentiment ▶ 22:54
the way that the statutes were written is there's a definition on the size of a model, which in and of itself is very quickly changing
MP ⚡ Energy-transition capital flows under a national-security frame, not a climate frame closed 8 ▲ +7.8 4.9 → 12.7
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 sentiment ▶ 1:17:23
I think that climate change stalled when it was an emotional and philosophical rallying cry, largely of the left. When instead it became something about resilience and domestic manufacturing, both sides came together.
IPO 🏛️ A Democrat trifecta prices in the unrealized-gains wealth tax closed 20 CONTESTED ▲ +6.5 54.8 → 61.3
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 sentiment ▶ 25:07
Plus, you've got hostility to options as compensation in terms of the 25% unrealized gains tax.
NVDA 🤖 Inference cost collapse deflates OpenAI, LLM startups and Nvidia's multiple closed 30 ▲ +5.3 67.2 → 72.5
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 22:54
it's very likely we end up seeing a lot of more smaller targeted models being used in specific applications instead of one massive general purpose model being used, or networks of smaller models, which is really where I think the industry is going
AAPL 🤖 Models commoditize — proprietary data is the only AI moat closed 4 CONTESTED ▼ -4.2 58.0 → 53.8
Jason
Jason support ×2 sentiment ▶ 1:07:54
because you have this data on your phone, all your iMessages, all your documents, all your photos, videos, music collection, there's a unique set of data on that phone to make your personal LLM that's going to do extraordinary things for you
Chamath
Chamath oppose ×2 sentiment ▶ 1:08:31
Don't you agree that the data set is not so cool? Uber has the data. DoorDash has the data.
AAPL 🤖 Apple makes huge AI gains in 2024 (contrarian) closed 0 CONTESTED ▲ +2.0 41.4 → 43.4
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:03:47
we kind of predicted that something like this could or should happen. We said that the big win for Apple in AI would be to make Siri actually work based on LLM
Jason
Jason support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:04:54
There's a distinct reason to upgrade now. If you had a language model on your phone and Siri was like this super Siri that actually got stuff done, I would upgrade my phone immediately. And right now I skip two or three generations.
Chamath
Chamath oppose ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:06:30
the idea that Apple with this thousand dollar device is all of a sudden going to figure out that this is why you're going to upgrade, I think is pretty speculative and I think they're going to be disappointed.
DJT 🏛️ Biden wins reelection on a strong economy closed 0 CONTESTED ▼ +0.0 0.0 → 0.0
Sacks
Sacks oppose ×1 sentiment ▶ 28:53
I think you make the correct point, which is, you know, I didn't really think about it this way, but you're right, Biden is the D-cell candidate.
Jason
Jason reversal ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 29:55
They're the D-cell candidate party now. And they just have to flip this thinking. They're going to get demolished. It is going to be a landslide at this point.

Episode digest

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The DOJ/FTC carve-up of AI antitrust (DOJ on Nvidia's CUDA lock-in and GPU allocation, FTC on OpenAI/Microsoft and the Inflection deal) got a unanimous 'way too early' from all four - Sacks says you cannot call an 18-month-old market a monopoly and stacks it into a broader innovation-hostile-agenda argument (AI, crypto after Biden's veto of the 60-vote framework bill, blocked M&A, the 25% unrealized-gains tax). Chamath's sharper point is that the wrong regulator is looking: $750B-$1T of AI spend against under $10B of revenue, with hyperscaler vendor-financing deals that look like round-tripping, so the SEC should be asking whether the revenue is real - a table-pounding reinforcement of the capex-outruns-monetization thesis. Jason fully reversed his own March call that Biden wins on a strong economy: he now predicts Biden gets hot-swapped for Newsom after the first debate and a Republican landslide. On Roaring Kitty's nine-figure GameStop position all four landed on 'let adults gamble' - Friedberg dismantled the stock at 192x EBITDA on 12% declining revenue and concluded fundamentals are simply not what is being traded, while Chamath flagged synthetic short leverage as the amplifier that produces the next Plotkin blow-up. New thread: the BlackRock/Citadel-backed Texas Stock Exchange, which Chamath and Friedberg both back as overdue competition to a brittle, non-innovating NYSE/Nasdaq duopoly charging ~$7.4M to go public. Apple/OpenAI split them - Sacks and Jason see an LLM-powered Siri plus on-device personal data as the upgrade catalyst; Chamath says the form factor is still Friendster-era, the winner is a $500 phone plus an earbud, and Apple will be disappointed. Friedberg's science corner carries the one hard-dated prediction: Atlantic sea-surface temperatures above anything on record point to a record Aug-Oct hurricane season hitting the US and Mexico. Chamath's separate claim that the energy transition wins on a resilience/domestic-manufacturing frame over 20-40 years is beyond any usable horizon and is recorded here rather than as an idea.