E171

E171: DOJ sues Apple, AI arms race, Reddit IPO, Realtor settlement & more

2024-03-22 spoken.md · speaker-labeled ▶ watch ← E170 all episodes E172 →

3
ideas born
21
ideas moved
38
captures · 4 voices
9
dissenting
+156.3
conviction added
-126.5
decay · 112 silent

Every number here is replayed from score_events — the same ledger the pool ranks on. Decay is what the 112 ideas nobody mentioned gave up this week; it applies only when an episode is processed.

Tier crossings

conviction thresholds crossed by this episode — 65 / 45 / 15 · ideas born here show where they landed. why 65 isn't always green

▲ +30.6 📈 NAR verdict breaks the 6% residential commission cartel ember green threshold 36.9 → 67.5 still dormant — green gate not met
▲ +8.2 🏦 Regional banks still sick — Fed must extend BTFP watch green threshold 58.1 → 66.3 still ember — green gate not met
▲ +21.2 🤖 Nvidia's monopoly margins get competed away by custom and open silicon ember watch 41.2 → 62.4
▲ +57.8 🤖 General-purpose robotics finally works this cycle born at watch 57.8
▲ +10.7 🌍 Risk-off overhang lifts - equities and high-beta growth rally ember watch 44.1 → 54.8
▲ +11.8 🌍 Soft-landing rally underprices the lag risk ember watch 41.7 → 53.5
▼ -22.9 🏛️ Litigation forces the app-store duopoly to open up and cut the 30% rake watch ember 53.2 → 30.3
▲ +13.8 🤖 ChatGPT plugins make OpenAI the next great computing platform dormant ember 12.7 → 26.5
▼ -31.9 🤖 Smartphone manufacturers slow as consumers skip generations watch ember 57.0 → 25.1
▲ +21.1 🏛️ Biden wins reelection on a strong economy born at ember 21.1
▲ +16.8 📈 Gene-edited pig organs unlock an effectively infinite organ supply born at ember 16.8
▼ -11.7 📈 Mortgage rate lock-in freezes housing turnover ember dormant 25.9 → 14.2

Kill dates that landed since E170

0 hit · 0 partial · 1 miss — windows that closed after 2024-03-15 and up to 2024-03-22, auto-scored against price data and never hand-set. verdict · R · α

ideaverdictRαclosed
🏦 Fed's bank funding facility only kicks the can — massive rate cuts are the exit MISS -9.9% -42.5 2024-03-17

Who moved the board

each voice's force on conviction this episodesupports and opposes, weighted exactly as the replay applied them · share = % of this episode's movement

Jason
Jason
10 captures · 43% of movement · 2 ideas born
+134.6 / -49.3 → net +85.3
Chamath
Chamath
10 captures · 21% of movement · 1 idea born
+65.5 / -25.3 → net +40.2
Sacks
Sacks
10 captures · 20% of movement
+44.5 / -40.8 → net +3.7
Friedberg
Friedberg
8 captures · 17% of movement
+49.2 / -22.1 → net +27.1

What got argued (21 ideas)

ordered by how hard each idea moved · quotes are verbatim from the transcript, timestamps deep-link into the episode

NEW BOTZ 🤖 General-purpose robotics finally works this cycle closed 11 CONTESTED ▲ +57.8 0.0 → 57.8

Asked where he would deploy a $40B AI fund, Jason's answer is that robotics - a space that has started over and over again for decades - actually works this time, because AI supplies the missing software layer for general-purpose machines like Optimus and Figure, and it is badly under-invested relative to the crowded chip and foundation-model layers. Friedberg supplies the sober version of the same trade: enterprise robotics tools with positive ROI, and vertical labour-automation and productivity plays, are the best risk-adjusted place to put AI capital - good alpha, lower beta.

plays BOTZ ·primary ROK TSLA evals 2025-03-22
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 sentiment ▶ 52:23
is there a enterprise like sale of robotics tools that have positive ROI for enterprises? And is there a business that's working there and that is scalable? Vertical solutions in labor and automation and productivity gains are probably the best sharp ratio.
Jason
Jason support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 58:56
something tells me this robotic space, which has been a start over and over and over again. I think this is the time where actually it's going to work. And so I love that hardware and robotics space.
AAPL 🤖 Smartphone manufacturers slow as consumers skip generations closed 19 CONTESTED ▼ -31.9 57.0 → 25.1
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 sentiment ▶ 3:03
They definitely are in a moment where people are looking at the profitability of these devices the source of their long-term cash flow. And I think they realize that there's not a lot of growth because they haven't entered a bunch of new markets.
Jason
Jason reversal ×2 positioning ▶ 23:16
I would not financial advice, but I think that Apple is going to be able to manage this and buy the stock. I may buy more of the stock. I think that this will be good for them long term.
RDFN 📈 NAR verdict breaks the 6% residential commission cartel unresolvable 15 ▲ +30.6 36.9 → 67.5
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 34:05
I do project and I do expect that much of what is charged on a commission basis, on a percent of home value today, will change to being a fixed fee and a flat fee basis.
Chamath
Chamath support ×1 sentiment ▶ 37:30
Is it going to change the profitability of a realtor? Pretty meaningfully, right?
Sacks
Sacks support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 39:58
No buyer would ever voluntarily agree to pay this massive commission. It's not worth it. So it's game over for the realtors if buyers are forced to pay their own brokers commission.
Jason
Jason support ×2 sentiment ▶ 43:14
It should be that you get a flat rate, $10,000 at a million, and then you get 10% over a million or something.
AAPL 🏛️ Litigation forces the app-store duopoly to open up and cut the 30% rake closed 32 CONTESTED ▼ -22.9 53.2 → 30.3
Sacks
Sacks oppose ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 4:31
at least based on the press coverage, I have yet to see a single smoking gun example coming out of this lawsuit... I'm a little bit doubtful right now that the government's going to be able to win this case
Chamath
Chamath oppose ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 10:37
I don't think anything is going to happen here because it's taken them five years to file. There's at least a 50% chance that the administration is going to turn over, which means that this lawsuit changes or goes away entirely.
Friedberg
Friedberg oppose ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 12:19
Google and Apple don't price fix because Android is an open access system. You can put any application you want, any way you want. There are several app stores to put Android apps on your Android device.
Jason
Jason support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 19:56
these companies will, if you give them an inch, they'll take the mile. And that's exactly what Apple does consistently. They consistently try to squeeze... I think the government's going to win changing three of these.
NVDA 🤖 Nvidia's monopoly margins get competed away by custom and open silicon closed 42 ▲ +21.2 41.2 → 62.4
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 57:58
most of the value will accrue is not necessarily a chip company, but in other businesses and traditional industries that can transform themselves using AIs.
Jason
Jason support ×2 sentiment ▶ 58:56
obviously chips are super crowded, lots of incumbents, lots of people going after it. And the foundation models are very crowded as well.
NEW DJT 🏛️ Biden wins reelection on a strong economy closed 0 CONTESTED ▲ +21.1 0.0 → 21.1

Jason's call off the March 2024 setup: record-low unemployment, a record stock market and a Fed that Powell has all but promised will deliver three cuts before November hand Biden a clear, easy path to reelection. Sacks takes the direct other side - Biden is incredibly unpopular and his head-to-head polling is not the polling of a president who gets reelected, economy or not, though he concedes rate cuts would help (his 'Biden putt' framing). The listed expression is the Trump-linked vehicle, which trades as a proxy on Trump's 2024 odds, so a Biden win is bearish it.

plays DJT ·primary ICLN evals 2025-03-22
Jason
Jason support ×2 explicit_prediction 8mo horizon ▶ 1:04:53
it's looking like Biden has a clear path to victory based on the lowest unemployment of our lifetimes and this roaring stock market records. Yeah, it's an easy Biden victory.
Sacks
Sacks oppose ×3 explicit_prediction 8mo horizon ▶ 1:05:12
Biden is incredibly unpopular. If you look at his actual polling, he should not win the election... A president with these fundamentals would normally get reelected, but Biden currently is not, his polling is not the polling of a president who's going to get reelected.
NEW UTHR 📈 Gene-edited pig organs unlock an effectively infinite organ supply closed 2 ▲ +16.8 0.0 → 16.8

Chamath's read on the first CRISPR-Cas9-edited pig kidney transplanted into a living 64-year-old: end-stage renal disease today means dialysis every three days and a slow-moving death sentence, so an effectively infinite gene-edited organ supply is a genuinely compelling replacement. The tradeable read-through is the listed xenotransplantation and gene-editing platforms rather than the private surgical programs.

plays UTHR ·primary CRSP evals 2025-03-22
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 sentiment ▶ 1:11:55
when you're at that end stage renal disease, you're getting dialyzed every three days for up to four, five, six hours... So the idea that you could now use this effectively infinite source of seems really compelling.
MSFT 🤖 ChatGPT plugins make OpenAI the next great computing platform closed 25 CONTESTED ▲ +13.8 12.7 → 26.5
Jason
Jason support ×2 sentiment ▶ 1:01:22
the idea that you would just talk to a computer or in a chat interface and you wouldn't use an app interface. You would just ask it questions and it would give you answers.
SPY 🌍 Soft-landing rally underprices the lag risk closed 91 ▲ +11.8 41.7 → 53.5
Sacks
Sacks support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:03:52
they're pricing in these rate cuts as if they're definitely going to happen... people, I think, are maybe gambling in the sense that they're counting on rate cuts that haven't happened yet.
Z 📈 Mortgage rate lock-in freezes housing turnover closed 20 CONTESTED ▼ -11.7 25.9 → 14.2
Jason
Jason oppose ×2 sentiment ▶ 42:19
a lot of people will not list their home or sell it because that 6% might put them underwater.
META 🤖 Open-source models commoditize the model layer and move to the edge closed 83 ▲ +10.7 76.8 → 87.5
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 sentiment ▶ 28:59
You're standing on the shoulders of the whole open source movement. All you have to do, like Chamath said, all you got to do is take the latest Mistral model
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 sentiment ▶ 29:11
Not only are you not starting from zero, not only do you have the foundational models that are excellent and available in open source
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 48:01
there's been a realization on how quickly foundational model development is commoditizing and how quickly costs are escalating and how many folks are chasing it.
Jason
Jason support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 51:00
I would take the top open source projects. I'd find those top contributors, take the top 20 or so open source projects and back them to the tune of significant money, 50 million, 100 million, whatever it takes
SPY 🌍 Risk-off overhang lifts - equities and high-beta growth rally closed 11 CONTESTED ▲ +10.7 44.1 → 54.8
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:02:39
I think the point is that I think there is a speculative party going on right now. And I'm not saying that Reddit is part of it, but whenever these things are so mispriced, it just means that people are ready to gamble a little bit.
KRE 🏦 Regional banks still sick — Fed must extend BTFP closed 42 ▲ +8.2 58.1 → 66.3
Sacks
Sacks support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:06:41
they're hoping that rates will come down fast enough and occupancy rates will go up fast enough that no one has to foreclose. But if rates don't come down, then you have a real problem... But if rates stay higher longer, then you're going to see some real distress. Including the regional banking system.
BZFD 📈 Ad-supported legacy media is structurally dead closed 68 ▲ +6.7 54.0 → 60.7
Jason
Jason support ×2 sentiment ▶ 1:15:55
he got paid out in full, like 20, 30 million bucks. And by the way, those jobs are not, they don't exist anymore. Like Tucker and him were like the last of that generation to get those huge paydays.
IPO 📈 The IPO window reopens - but only at a real discount to 2021 marks closed 34 CONTESTED ▲ +6.4 49.2 → 55.6
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 sentiment ▶ 1:02:18
But like this last three or four weeks, I think people have been so excited and rearing to go.
MSFT 🤖 AI collapses the cost of knowledge work to ten cents on the dollar closed 28 CONTESTED ▲ +5.3 67.1 → 72.4
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 34:05
so much of the service and discovery, reading through documents, understanding what they mean and what they say can be automated through AI and LLMs
AAPL 🤖 Models commoditize — proprietary data is the only AI moat closed 4 CONTESTED ▲ +4.6 66.1 → 70.7
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 sentiment ▶ 29:11
you have probably the most prolific set of training data that has ever been created in the entire world to make these models kick ass
GS 🏛️ Speculative-competition antitrust blocks chill tech M&A closed 53 CONTESTED ▼ -4.2 59.8 → 55.6
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 sentiment ▶ 46:44
It's just as hard for Microsoft to get anything through at this point. So probably they're just like, why even deal with the antitrust? They don't really need the assets.
Friedberg
Friedberg oppose ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 48:01
I don't think this is some run around anti-trust.
IPO 📈 Startup mass extinction event in late 2023 and 2024 closed 35 ▲ +3.8 71.1 → 75.0
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 sentiment ▶ 46:44
My take on this is that this was a bailout... This company wasn't going anywhere, and it raised hundreds of millions of dollars.
TLT 🏦 Rates fall to ~2.5% within two years closed 13 CONTESTED ▼ -2.6 20.6 → 18.0
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 explicit_prediction 21mo horizon ▶ 1:03:04
Powell did say finally, it looks pretty likely we're going to get these three cuts, so we're going to be down to 4.5 to 4.75 on Fed funds by the end of the year. It probably means that we'll get another 50 to 75 basis points to 2025, so people will look out to the end of 2025 and look at a Fed funds rate that's sort of like 3.75 to 4%.
Sacks
Sacks oppose ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:03:52
inflation has not come down to the Fed's target of 2%. It's still right around 3%, 3.1%.
AAPL 🤖 Apple makes huge AI gains in 2024 (contrarian) closed 0 CONTESTED ▲ +0.1 62.2 → 62.3
Chamath
Chamath oppose ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 24:39
I think it's them giving up. This is the most consequential new development in technology and compute in probably 20 years, 30 years. And so to be spending tens of billions of dollars of R&D and to not have enough allocated to this so that you have a legitimate path forward to do it yourself, I think is a little inexcusable actually.
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 26:00
if Apple's doing the right thing, which I'm sure they are, they're probably building their own alternative platform here. They realize it's going to take them some time in the interim. They want to have a stopgap.
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 sentiment ▶ 27:25
even if Google Gemini were great, you'd still want to invest in having your own thing because it's such a strategic technology. Why would you ever outsource it to your main competitor?

Episode digest

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Labels are clean (Jason 102 / Sacks 64 / Friedberg 54 / Chamath 45, every addressed-by-name handoff correct); the only quarantine is 30:27-31:05, where Apple's 'Mother Nature' ad audio bleeds into the Sacks and Friedberg labels while they react to it - nothing captured there. The DOJ Sherman Act suit split the table exactly as E157 did: Jason alone thinks the government wins on three of five tactics, while Sacks, Chamath and Friedberg all oppose - and Jason, who coined the bearish smartphone-fatigue annual prediction at E160, now says buy AAPL and 'I may buy more of the stock', logged as a reversal but worth a spot-check since his reasoning is litigation-specific rather than about the upgrade cycle. On the Gemini story Chamath calls a licensing deal 'them giving up' and inexcusable against $30B of R&D while Friedberg and Sacks argue Apple builds its own; Sacks also flips to supporting open-source commoditization after opposing it at E165. The NAR settlement is the episode's strongest consensus - Friedberg predicts percentage fees become flat fees and is selling without an agent himself, Sacks says it is 'game over for the realtors' - so all four voices land on nar-commission-monopoly-breaks, plus Jason's counter-read that cheaper transactions unfreeze listings (oppose on mortgage-rate-lockin). Second judgement call: Chamath's rate path (three cuts to 4.5-4.75% this year, 3.75-4% by end-2025) is logged as support on his own rates-normalize call because that idea's thesis carries two disagreeing anchors ('~2.5%' vs '160bp below Dec-2023'); if 2.5% is the real target it is closer to a walk-back. Coined three ideas rather than stretching attachments: biden-reelection-on-strong-economy-2024 (Jason's 'easy Biden victory' vs Sacks' direct oppose), general-purpose-robotics-inflection-2024 and xenotransplant-organ-supply-unlock-2024; skipped Chamath's untradeable 'apps get rebuilt from first principles', the 20-year robotics framing (horizon cap), and Friedberg's 1:12:58 turn, which holds a question and an answer under one label.