E187

Biden chaos, Soft landing secured? AI sentiment turns bearish, French elections

2024-07-12 spoken.md · speaker-labeled ▶ watch ← E186 all episodes E188 →

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ideas born
13
ideas moved
25
captures · 4 voices
12
dissenting
+41.3
conviction added
-127.2
decay · 128 silent

Every number here is replayed from score_events — the same ledger the pool ranks on. Decay is what the 128 ideas nobody mentioned gave up this week; it applies only when an episode is processed.

Tier crossings

conviction thresholds crossed by this episode — 65 / 45 / 15 · ideas born here show where they landed. why 65 isn't always green

▲ +14.2 🤖 Nvidia's monopoly margins get competed away by custom and open silicon ember watch 39.9 → 54.1
▲ +6.5 🤖 Apple makes huge AI gains in 2024 (contrarian) ember watch 44.1 → 50.6
▲ +10.9 🏛️ Harris is the only feasible replacement if Biden leaves the ticket ember watch 37.2 → 48.1
▼ -32.4 🤖 AI capex outruns app-layer revenue - Nvidia's terminal-value problem green threshold ember 73.8 → 41.3
▲ +10.6 🤖 OpenAI keeps the consumer AI lead through a developer network effect dormant ember 8.9 → 19.5
▼ +11.3 🏛️ Socialist policy turn across the industrialized democracies born at dormant 11.3

Kill dates that landed since E186

0 hit · 1 partial · 0 miss — windows that closed after 2024-07-04 and up to 2024-07-12, auto-scored against price data and never hand-set. verdict · R · α

ideaverdictRαclosed
🏛️ Washington rescues commercial real estate with a structured lending program PARTIAL +9.9% -18.3 2024-07-09

Who moved the board

each voice's force on conviction this episodesupports and opposes, weighted exactly as the replay applied them · share = % of this episode's movement

Sacks
Sacks
10 captures · 31% of movement
+38.7 / -22.7 → net +16.0
Chamath
Chamath
7 captures · 30% of movement
+36.3 / -24.5 → net +11.8
Friedberg
Friedberg
4 captures · 28% of movement · 1 idea born
+38.8 / -17.8 → net +20.9
Jason
Jason
4 captures · 11% of movement
+7.4 / -14.9 → net -7.5

What got argued (13 ideas)

ordered by how hard each idea moved · quotes are verbatim from the transcript, timestamps deep-link into the episode

NVDA 🤖 AI capex outruns app-layer revenue - Nvidia's terminal-value problem closed 0 CONTESTED ▼ -32.4 73.8 → 41.3
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 26:20
Well, I think we're all converging on the same realization, which is you can't spend a trillion dollars and only have toy apps to show for it.
Friedberg
Friedberg oppose ×2 explicit_prediction 36mo horizon ▶ 29:19
So if you fast forward another 24, 36 months, I do think that there's a great reason to be optimistic that there's going to be extraordinary ROI based on the infrastructure that's being built.
Sacks
Sacks oppose ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 33:15
I think that's what's likely to happen. I'm much more bullish than you guys about this investment that's being made.
Jason
Jason oppose ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 37:00
But I think we're going to see a tipping point next year where a lot of labor arbitrage occurs.
DJT 🏛️ Biden stays the nominee - there is no mechanism to remove him closed 0 CONTESTED ▼ -14.5 14.5 → 0.0
Chamath
Chamath oppose ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:15:20
There will be a deep throat, Watergate-style leak here.
Jason
Jason oppose ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:15:56
that's why they're going to do the speed run, and that's catching steam next
Sacks
Sacks reversal ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:19:05
I think that if they succeed in pushing Biden out, which does seem probably more likely than not at this point, I think it's got to be Harris
NVDA 🤖 Nvidia's monopoly margins get competed away by custom and open silicon closed 42 ▲ +14.2 39.9 → 54.1
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 22:17
I do think that over time, the price of these chips just has to come down. It just doesn't make sense that they'd be so expensive.
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 26:20
And what you're seeing now is that Amazon, Google, Microsoft, AMD, Intel, a plethora of startups, Grok, everybody trying to make now different hardware solutions.
RSP 📈 S&P 493 catches up to the Magnificent 7 in 2024 closed 7 CONTESTED ▲ +12.6 0.0 → 12.6
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 18:33
And what's interesting is the spread right now is the most extreme since March of 2000, right before the dot-com crash.
SPY 🌍 Soft-landing rally underprices the lag risk closed 91 ▲ +12.3 69.0 → 81.4
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 6:59
but it looks like there's a really good chance that it has. I think the bigger question, though, is if we are on the verge of a real contraction in the economy.
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 sentiment ▶ 8:02
I think the market's priced in a lot of the expectation already.
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 sentiment ▶ 12:07
I just think people get a little too excited reading into these prints when these are not huge changes in numbers.
NEW EWQ 🏛️ Socialist policy turn across the industrialized democracies closed 49 ▲ +11.3 -0.0 → 11.3

Friedberg's global read off the French second round: left-and-center tactical alliances plus a rising socialist mood among the youth of the industrialized world are producing governments that campaign on 90% top tax rates, mandatory wage hikes, earlier retirement and price controls on food and energy - a mix that ends in unsustainable debt accumulation, inflation and unemployment, and that reprices French and broader developed-market equities lower. Sacks and Chamath take the other side: France was a manipulated candidate-withdrawal result plus ordinary anti-incumbent turnover, and a hung assembly means none of the radical policy actually passes.

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Friedberg
Friedberg support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 47:00
But really what I think we're seeing is a much bigger shift where there's this bigger battle between socialism and free market democracy.
Sacks
Sacks oppose ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 51:57
Yeah, look, I don't think that the use demand for socialism is what's driving the results in France at all.
Chamath
Chamath oppose ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:01:58
I do think Friedberg is touching on something, but I think the explanation doesn't have to be this idea that people are embracing socialism.
DJT 🏛️ Harris is the only feasible replacement if Biden leaves the ticket closed 46 CONTESTED ▲ +10.9 37.2 → 48.1
Sacks
Sacks support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:19:05
I think they're just going to have to go to Kamala Harris. I think that's what they've decided.
MSFT 🤖 OpenAI keeps the consumer AI lead through a developer network effect closed 31 CONTESTED ▲ +10.6 8.9 → 19.5
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 34:53
you already have a very powerful application in the form of this semantic search, which OpenAI is currently dominating.
BOTZ 🤖 General-purpose robotics finally works this cycle closed 11 CONTESTED ▲ +7.4 53.1 → 60.5
Jason
Jason support ×2 sentiment ▶ 37:00
And I'm really interested in robotics now, too. I think there's going to be some incredible gains with Optimus and some of the other robots that are occurring.
IPO 🏛️ A Democrat trifecta prices in the unrealized-gains wealth tax closed 20 CONTESTED ▲ +7.3 52.1 → 59.4
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:00:56
If they support Biden and he wins a second term, I suspect that there's going to be a lot of their legislative agenda that basically gets put up for vote.
AAPL 🤖 Apple makes huge AI gains in 2024 (contrarian) closed 0 CONTESTED ▲ +6.5 44.1 → 50.6
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 34:53
The second one, I think, will be when Apple comes out with iPhone 16, you know, with LLM-powered Siri, assuming they do a decent job with that, it's going to lead to a huge upgrade cycle.
TLT 🏦 Rates fall to ~2.5% within two years closed 13 CONTESTED ▼ -4.9 4.9 → 0.0
Friedberg
Friedberg oppose ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 10:25
So it's very unlikely that we get back to a two-handle, at least in this kind of era, and as a result, you'll probably see the market kind of assume that we're going to be at a 3% kind of inflation level for quite some time.
Sacks
Sacks oppose ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 12:07
We should just understand that what that means is permanently higher interest rates
DJT 🏛️ Biden wins reelection on a strong economy closed 0 CONTESTED ▼ +0.0 0.0 → 0.0
Jason
Jason reversal ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:15:56
It's an easy choice for most Americans, and that's why Trump will beat Biden
Sacks
Sacks oppose ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:19:44
Well, no, look, I think that Trump should win regardless, but it's an opportunity for them to reset the race

Episode digest

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Macro: the besties concede the soft landing looks secured on the 3.0% CPI print, but all three of Chamath, Friedberg and Sacks lean bearish on what comes next - Chamath flags a possible mini-recession as employment rolls over, Friedberg says the cuts are already priced into S&P multiples, and both he and Sacks argue the 2% target is dead and a normalized 3% handle means permanently higher rates, which cuts directly against Chamath's own E156 call for 2.5% rates. Chamath's Bloomberg factoid that the cap-weighted vs equal-weighted S&P spread is the widest since March 2000 is the sharpest tradeable datapoint in the episode. AI sentiment turned decisively bearish on the back of the Sequoia $600B piece and Goldman's 'too much spend, too little benefit' report: Chamath table-pounded the capex-vs-revenue gap ($1.5T in the J-curve, OpenAI needs $50B of revenue and has $3B), while Sacks took the direct other side with the broadband and railroad precedents, Jason called a labor-arbitrage tipping point next year, and Friedberg split the difference - a near-term valuation reset, but extraordinary ROI in 24-36 months. On politics, two reversals landed: Jason abandoned his own 'Biden wins on the economy' call for 'Trump will beat Biden', and Sacks abandoned his own 'Biden stays the nominee' call, now saying a push-out is more likely than not and Harris gets it. Chamath separately warned that a second Biden term buys the AOC/Warren legislative agenda, and Friedberg's France monologue coined a new bearish thesis on a global socialist policy turn that Sacks and Chamath both rejected.