E123: Trump indictment, de-dollarization, should VCs back Chinese AI? RIP Bob Lee
2023-04-07 spoken.md · speaker-labeled ▶ watch ← E122 all episodes E124 →
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Tier crossings
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Kill dates that landed since E122
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| 🏛️ Infrastructure trillions get captured by the contractors | HIT | +13.9% | +8.6 | 2023-04-01 |
| 🌍 US population stall - births plus immigration collapse throttles the economy | HIT | +12.7% | +20.7 | 2023-04-01 |
| 🛢️ War plus fertilizer costs cause a global crop shortfall and famine in a year | PARTIAL | -5.6% | +2.5 | 2023-04-01 |
Who moved the board
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What got argued (7 ideas)
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CFIUS-style screening gets extended in the outbound direction: American LPs and VCs are barred from funding Chinese AI and other frontier technologies, on the argument that the US should not have its fingerprints on adversary capability. Chamath calls for it outright, Sacks already applies a private version of the rule (never take money from a country Washington calls an adversary), Friedberg dissents on interdependency. The read-through is a widening political-risk discount on Chinese tech as its access to US capital closes.
So, you know, to Sacks's point, I'm not sure you can really say China is a true and complete adversary in the sense that we're on opposite sides. There's obviously deep interdependencies. So, you know, it's hard to kind of say I draw the line at this kind of technology investing there, but I benefit from their technology investing that's going on there in other ways with some of my other businesses, right?
And there's going to be some concessions on spending. And ultimately, the debt ceiling will get extended. And that those concessions on spending will allow the Republican Party to save face with their voters and say, look, we got some concessions here.
But you know who does? Pension funds. That's who owns these office towers. You're talking about pension funds that are three-quarters unfunded, and they may have a lot less funds than they even think they do, because we're about to have a huge reckoning, where all of a sudden these office towers that were supposed to be blue chip, that were supposed to have the best collateral there was in major American cities, now all of a sudden they may not be nearly as valuable as they thought they were.
And if they don't own the building, they definitely own the debt. 100% for sure in the fixed income portfolios of all these pension systems are the debt that was used to finance these buildings by the REITs and by the big real estate funds that put those things together.
But in rallying around him to defend him, you see that Trump's poll ratings among Republicans in the primary are going through the roof, distances are going down. And so what Ann Coulter fears is that this is all an elaborate ruse to make Trump the nominee because Biden would much rather face a reelection against Trump than against a young, youthful, vigorous governor like a DeSantis.
One was these long dated bonds having unrealized losses, which is causing problems in regional community banks. The second piece of it is the commercial real estate crisis, which I think is metastasizing right now, which is also going to be a banking crisis once all those unrealized losses come due.
the more we kind of as the US think we want to de-globalize and reduce our trade relationships with other nations, the more, you know, we're out of the way in allowing China to do that. I think it's worth observing that the Chinese economy will grow, the depth of the relationships will grow, potentially the strength and importance of their currency will continue to mount as they build these really deep infrastructure and investment tie-ins around the world.
Episode digest
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De-dollarization was the spine and it split the pod cleanly: Friedberg pressed his own E110 dollar-erosion call (China is now top trading partner to 120 countries, US de-globalization hands it the currency leverage), Sacks flipped from his E110 oppose to 'it hasn't happened yet, but the risk is growing' on debt plus dollar-weaponization, while Chamath called the Brazil-China deal 'a huge nothing burger' and hammered the pegged-yuan point at strength 3. Chamath then took the other side of the whole fiscal-doom thread outright — debt-to-GDP just creeps higher, the US stays relatively exceptional, 'this will not really be an issue in our lifetimes' — a table-pounding oppose on the E024 fiscal-crunch idea. New this week: US public pensions as the socialized hole (Chicago's $44B, 80% of property taxes, 25% funded, federal backstop paid by the printer) coined as a sub-idea, and the outbound-capital question coined fresh — Chamath says US money in Chinese AI 'should not be allowed' and CFIUS needs to run it in reverse, Sacks applies the rule at Craft already, Friedberg dissents on interdependency. Sacks reinforced CRE hard with a new mechanism (the pension funds own the towers and the debt), Friedberg and Jason both backed Chamath's E112 no-drama debt-ceiling call, and Friedberg repeated his 70%-top-tax-rate prediction. Diarization CLEAN — turn counts normal (Jason 106 / Chamath 51 / Sacks 50 / Friedberg 45), addressed-by-name test consistent across 48 checks, fingerprints confirmed (Ohalo under Friedberg, Nat under Chamath, the legal analysis under Sacks, the moderator sign-off under Jason); no time gaps over three minutes. The Bob Lee segment was handled with restraint — an SF crime and governance discussion with no directional market claim, so nothing captured from it.