Kamala surges, Trump at NABJ, recession fears, Middle East escalation, Ackman postpones IPO
2024-08-02 spoken.md · speaker-labeled ▶ watch ← E189 all episodes E191 →
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Tier crossings
conviction thresholds crossed by this episode — 65 / 45 / 15 · ideas born here show where they landed. why 65 isn't always green
Kill dates that landed since E189
2 hit · 0 partial · 1 miss — windows that closed after 2024-07-26 and up to 2024-08-02, auto-scored against price data and never hand-set. verdict · R · α
| idea | verdict | R | α | closed |
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| 📈 GLP-1 obesity drugs go mass-market | HIT | +63.7% | +41.7 | 2024-07-27 |
| 📈 Hollywood's strikes are a fight over a shrinking pie | HIT | +32.4% | +10.4 | 2024-07-27 |
| 🤖 In-silico materials discovery cracks cheap battery chemistry | MISS | -38.7% | -60.7 | 2024-07-27 |
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What got argued (9 ideas)
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Chamath's read on Ackman pulling the Pershing Square IPO after a $25B raise collapsed to under $1B: the point of the fund raise was to buttress the underlying logic for taking the manager public, and it failed because a business whose output is short-term bets cannot be underwritten over the 20-30 year horizon equity investors price. The only alt managers that got equity value did it by proving they can raise ~$1T of AUM and selling the 2% management fee as recurring revenue rather than selling performance; sub-scale performance-fee shops therefore have little real equity value, and the listed GP-stake complex is carrying a story that does not hold.
But I think it just goes to show you that in finance, these entities that try to sell a piece of the quote unquote general partner as a company, I just think that it's frankly that it doesn't work. And this is just an example, yet another example that there's not a lot of equity value in these businesses.
So, I suspect what happens is that the overall market grows, but the number of companies grows by an even larger order of magnitude. And in all of that, the reality is that it's going to be very hard for these big folks to sort of see this value captured that makes any of this investment worthwhile. So, I think that you're going to have to have some sort of reset in terms of the capex that's happened here.
One is that what we've seen over the past year or so is that the economic data that comes out keeps getting reforecast down. So they put out a provisional number or an estimate. And then when they finalize the number three months or six months later, it always seems to go in one direction.
And unfortunately, the action that will be taken to resolve this isn't necessarily a free market action. It's going to end up being some sort of government intervention, which furthers the government's involvement in the economy and furthers the tentacles that make it much harder to ultimately pull out of this spiral and this problem.
I just think that at some point over the next 100 days, that approach is just going to fall apart. She's going to have to do a debate. She's going to have to answer questions. At that point, I think the bloom will come off the rose a little bit here, and you'll see the polls normalize.
Episode digest
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Three-man show — Jason out with COVID, Friedberg moderating, and the diarization merged Chamath into Friedberg's label. Chamath declares outright that the US is already in a recession, says purchasing power is shrinking faster than prices, and forecasts "real pain in the fall"; Sacks won't say recession on nominal 2% Q2 GDP but argues a 6%-of-GDP deficit is the only thing keeping growth positive and that the bill comes due, while Friedberg reprises his government-is-the-economy thread (a $7.3T federal budget at ~30% of GDP, ~30% of US employment government-dependent, ag and industrial capital-equipment orders falling off a cliff) and all three agree more than 100% of the past year's job creation was government jobs. Chamath expects Powell to cut 25bp in September (maybe 50) and says it won't fix anything. The AI segment is his strongest capture: AMD/NVDA/META all gave back their after-hours pops, "another case of sell the news," the market is at the tail end of the AI hype cycle, and — from seven months inside 8090 — AI is massively deflationary, so competed-away excess returns mean the hyperscalers never capture value justifying the spend and "you're going to have to have some sort of reset in terms of the capex." On the Haniyeh assassination, Sacks puts regional war at "at least 50-50" and Friedberg calls Middle East escalation the outstanding black swan that becomes a markets problem, adding there is no such thing as a contained regional war given great-power alliances. New idea coined off Ackman pulling the Pershing Square IPO: Chamath's claim that a bet-making business cannot be underwritten as public equity and that GP stakes below trillion-dollar AUM scale have little real equity value.