E132: SEC goes after crypto giants, Sequoia splits, LIV/PGA, Messi's deal + LIVE Q&A!
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The SEC's simultaneous suits against Binance and Coinbase are not a negotiation, they are a shutdown: with no registration pathway and no political appetite for clarifying legislation, the surviving exchanges preserve enterprise value by redomiciling outside the US and IP-gating American users. The listed US-regulated exchange therefore loses its home market rather than being blessed as the compliant winner.
I unfortunately think that the SEC has by and large put the entire sector into mate. And so I think that what Jason said is largely right, which is that it's going to force these companies to preserve enterprise value to leave the United States and to jurisdictionally operate from a different place and to basically IP block and IP gate US residents from using their products and services.
Messi's Inter Miami deal - club equity plus a revenue share from Apple's MLS rights and from Adidas - is the new template: elite athletes stop being salaried labor and start capturing the franchise and distribution economics they personally create, because they are content creators rather than employees. Agents copy the deal across the NBA and NFL, so the owner's share of franchise appreciation compresses, and Chamath's extension is that $20-30bn of capital could stand up a rival league on phantom equity the way LIV did to the PGA.
And so they're coming down hard, and they're going to go and systematically dismantle the largest actors, and they're going to go through the value chain. So I think the obvious place that they're looking now are the exchanges, they'll look at the custodial services, they will not approve any ETFs.
I'm assuming it's indefinite because the amount of work it takes to write a job requisition is more work in some cases than actually automating with AI or Ready, the job function, and so I think 20-person companies might double in size in the next two or three years, but still have 20 people.
Then they tried this like very convoluted evergreen structure right before the market fell apart, where you could basically become a permanent capital vehicle. And as far as I can tell from the outside looking in, it just seems like a tax, a tax play for the GPs to not have to sell and realize capital gains.
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Taped days after the SEC sued Binance and Coinbase, and the crypto block is the episode: all four besties agree the enforcement wave is real and escalating, but split on motive - Sacks calls it a Gensler/Warren campaign to kill a fiat competitor, Jason says the industry knowingly sold unregistered securities, Friedberg says retail losses made it inevitable. The new call is unanimous and tradeable: Chamath says the SEC has put the sector 'into mate' and the exchanges will redomicile and IP-gate Americans, Jason predicts Armstrong relocates, Sacks says the goal is to destroy or offshore it - coined as a fresh idea because the bullish coinbase-regulated-franchise-2022 window closed 2023-04-23. On Sequoia's three-way split, Chamath trashes the mega-fund and evergreen structure as a GP tax play (another swing against his own 2022 mega-GP-consolidation call, which he already reversed at E080/E091) and repeats China is uninvestable for 30-40 years, while Jason predicts Washington bans all US venture investment in Chinese AI and chips 'in the coming months'. In the AI Q&A, Friedberg's open-source commoditization thesis got its strongest restatement ($500m model company worth zero in six weeks) and Chamath crossed to his side, pairing a data-and-silicon barbell with 'plugins at GBT make no sense, those companies should go to zero' - and disclosing his Groq silicon position outright. Diarization is essentially clean (Friedberg guest-moderated by announcement, so his 77 turns against Jason's 113 is not a rotation), but three defects: the 23:17 David Friedberg turn is Jason's line, SPEAKER_7/8/9 are host crosstalk fragments plus audience question-askers, and in the live Q&A an audience member's question at 1:19:43-1:20:27 is split across the Jason and David Samuel labels - nothing was captured from any of those.