E121: Macro update, Fed hike, CRE debt bubble, Balaji's Bitcoin bet, TikTok's endgame & more
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Tier crossings
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Who moved the board
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What got argued (16 ideas)
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Sacks' three-phase framing of the 2023 financial crisis: phase one was bank unrealized losses on long-dated bonds, phase two is the CRE credit crunch, and phase three is a government debt crisis - a spike in federal borrowing costs, sovereign debt stress internationally, and budget deficits at states and cities - which Washington tries to solve by inflating and monetizing the debt. Explicitly framed as playing out over the next couple of years rather than in 90 days.
I think that the government debt crisis, assuming the government wants to inflate and monetize the debt as a way to solve that problem, that will be highly inflationary. But when these things play out, we can't know. I think that's what makes this really hard. I think jumping all the way to the sort of finish line and saying we're going to have a million dollar Bitcoin in 90 days because the US dollar is worthless, I think that's premature. I think this could play out over the next couple of years.
Friedberg's read off the Relativity launch: launch and space startups are capital-intensive with long milestone horizons, and public markets will not re-rate them until they find near-term business models that do not depend on government contracts, the way SpaceX did with Starlink. Government-services businesses carry low multiples and high single-customer dependency, so the listed space cohort stays capped.
I do think all these guys are going to have to, in order to gain wider spread capital markets attention, like Elon has had to do with SpaceX, are going to have to find business models that have kind of near-term viability that don't depend on government contracts.
Chamath's call: the SVB/Signature post-mortem forces legislation in 2023 that closes the depositor/bank mismatch, and 100% deposit protection can only be funded by an enormous hit to bank profitability and return on invested capital - so the fix lands as a permanent write-down of bank equity value rather than a taxpayer bill. Sacks and Friedberg take the other side on magnitude: fully insuring the ~$8T of uninsured deposits costs only about $100B of extra premiums, and insurance gets cheaper the more you insure because the run risk disappears.
And so the irony is if you actually did, and this is getting super technical, but if you actually looked at the statistical model and said, how much is this going to cost to insure every deposit? It gets much, much cheaper the higher the deposits that you're willing to insure would be.
either in a world of inflation run amok because the Fed isn't hiking fast enough, which just destroys future cash flows, or in a world where the Fed pivots in a moment like this, and Nick, you can show the second chart, both result in the same outcome, which is that you just see these massive drawdowns in the value of risk assets.
But I will say my point of view from just seeing the political behavior is that they're probably going to mandate that these guys spin this thing out to US investors and that the Chinese don't have any equity or management oversight or interest in it.
But the other part of it is, like, does it reinforce or does it decay US dollar hegemony? And I think it actually reinforces it. And the reason is just very practically speaking, when you look at how dependent other people, other countries are on the US dollar in times of stress, they actually become more dependent.
When Dalio's points of view, with lots of kind of empirical wisdom behind it, I think, indicate that the US is on a path, and the way we spend, and the way we behave, and the way markets are reacting, I think, indicates that a lot of what has happened historically is happening now in the US.
The banks are saying we don't have enough liquidity right now to cover our needs, which are highly volatile right now because basically depositors are moving out of community and regional and small banks into the big four so-called systemically important or CIP banks.
Episode digest
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Taped two days after the Fed's 25bp hike into the banking crisis, and the whole episode is macro. Chamath reversed his own E098 'markets are bottoming, the Fed put returns' call - he now argues both branches (inflation run amok or a Fed pivot) end in massive drawdowns in risk assets - while reinforcing his sticky-inflation and 5.5-5.75% terminal-rate calls at full strength. Sacks laid out a new three-phase crisis (bank bond losses done, CRE credit crunch next, a US government debt crisis with a federal borrowing-cost spike third, 'over the next couple of years'), and table-pounded the CRE reckoning with receipts: 30-40% SF vacancy, ~$300B of CRE loans rolling, banks ending up owning downtown San Francisco. Balaji's $1M-Bitcoin-in-90-days bet got a unanimous no from all four - Chamath's 'why isn't Bitcoin at least at $35,000 right now' is the strongest reinforcement yet of the E119 crypto-fails-as-a-bank-run-hedge thesis - and Chamath took the other side of Friedberg's own dollar-reserve-erosion prediction, arguing dollar flows RISE in stress so hegemony is reinforced. Two new ideas beyond Sacks' phase-three call: Chamath's claim that 100% deposit insurance gets paid for by wiping out bank equity value (Sacks and Friedberg both argue the premium is cheap), and Friedberg's read that listed space names stay capped until they have non-government revenue. Diarization CLEAN - all four fingerprint-verified (Sacks' Jackson Square CRE, Friedberg's 360% global debt-to-GDP and Dalio thread, Chamath's Relativity launch and Facebook-IPO joke, Jason moderating); Friedberg's 21 turns are low but he is present and spread across the whole episode, and the only artifact is Jason's cue word 'Friedberg?' bleeding into the head of Friedberg's 26:31 turn.