E158: Global trade disrupted, Adobe/Figma canceled, realtors sued, Trump blocked
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Tier crossings
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Who moved the board
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What got argued (13 ideas)
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Houthi missile and drone attacks on the Bab-el-Mandeb strait force the five largest liners around the Cape of Good Hope, cutting effective container capacity 20-25% on the ~30% of world container volume that transits Suez. Ocean freight Asia-Europe is already ~3x a month ago, air freight is next if it persists, and because freight demand is inelastic the cost passes straight through - hitting European consumer prices hardest while adding only ~8% transit time to the US East Coast. Tradeable as a bid under container-liner and freight earnings.
About 30% of all ocean container traffic flows through the Suez and through the Red Sea. ... So you're talking about a 20, 25% cut in shipping capacity on the 30% of all containers.
the fact that the insurance companies won't insure the ship anymore means that now that ship can't travel and that's tens of millions of dollars of commerce that gets shut down off of a few thousand dollar investment. ... there are many other groups like this that may get emboldened and you start to see more activity in other regions as well
The $1.8B Missouri verdict against the National Association of Realtors plus roughly $13B of follow-on class actions attack the MLS-membership choke point that keeps US residential commissions at ~5.5-6% split buy-side and sell-side. Once the buy-side commission becomes an explicit buyer choice it collapses toward UK-style ~1.3%, compressing a ~$100B/yr commission pool and the 1.6m-agent industry that lives on it - bearish the brokerages and portals whose revenue is a percentage of gross sale price.
if the monopoly breaks on the marketplace, then the business model will get competed away, and there will start to be a change here. And I think that this lawsuit and the settlement ultimately leads to a shift in the industry that could certainly benefit consumers, but could have a negative economic impact because of the number of people that depend on brokerage fees as their job.
Sacks' dated call: the Israel-Hamas war does not stay contained. The Houthis will not stop while Gaza continues, Israel will not accept a ceasefire, ~80 attacks have already hit US bases in Syria and Iraq, and a US strike on Yemen pulls Washington into a second front - with the Houthis threatening the Saudi oil fields. The market is priced for 2024 rate cuts on the assumption inflation is solved, so an oil shock out of this is the unpriced tail.
the Suez Canal is too valuable, in my opinion, too valuable to civilization, to the modern world, to believe that a group of rebels, no matter how well-funded they may be, is gonna be able to disrupt that for any long period of time.
So I think this has the potential to be a black swan in 2024, meaning that somehow the Israel-Hamas war spirals into a larger regional war that pulls the US in. ... And I think that if that does happen, there could be the potential for an oil shock.
there is no viable M&A path for early stage venture capital businesses. So if you can't have a 20 billion dollar merger or a 40 billion dollar merger or a 15 or 20 billion dollar M&A with a high degree of confidence, then the path to liquidity through M&A is less than 20% of the outcomes
the fact that regulators took 15 months to analyze the deal only to come to the conclusion that they basically weren't going to allow it, and then Adobe finally killed it, is going to have a chilling effect on M&A and Silicon Valley ... when you take half the potential exits off the table, you're absolutely making it tougher for VCs and founders to get a good return. It's that simple.
I don't know if I'd take the antitrust regime as being the core driver of M&A not being on the table. ... The biggest driver of concern is just all the return on capital metrics that the big buyers are having to face. Return on invested capital is becoming more important than it's ever been
you can really do incredible damage to very expensive airplanes with hypersonic missiles that go incredibly fast or like Mach 5 or something insane, and they're cheap. ... So $100 million or $20 million fighter jet can just be annihilated by a couple of $100,000 in hypersonic missiles.
I think the positive take on this is that it actually puts the Middle East in a position to resolve all of these things. ... I suspect that both of these two hot wars get resolved quickly because the larger multi-decade implications for the Middle East are too big to let it be subsumed by the Houthi rebels or Hamas.
There are a group of people with an agenda, which is to modernize the economies there, to move off-petro and to move into technology and to move into hospitality with the Neon Project ... And that's not going to get derailed. And those are the most powerful, deep-pocketed influential forces there.
I said, I think it was like last year, that all of this lawfare, all these tactics, its shenanigans that the Democrats were trying, it's either gonna put Trump in the big house or the White House. And I think he said it for the White House on this basis right now.
that family office or that endowment who can rip in a check as an LP to a fund can still get five, six, seven percent, can get corporate bond at corporate yields at like eight, nine, 10 percent. ... Why take on 15 year illiquidity for oftentimes funds that return less than the S&P, which is the dirty little secret of Silicon Valley? It makes no sense.
the economic impact of AI is so massively deflationary. It may be an order or two orders of magnitude more deflationary than AWS was ... That's all I'm saying is the effective break-even goes way down in a world where AI proliferates. I think that's positive for founders.
let's say that this blockade of the Red Sea continues for all of 2024 ... What does that do to global prices? Because I think right now, the market is pricing in rate cuts next year on the theory that inflation is coming down and is a solved problem.
a lot of businesses that raised a lot of capital at a very high valuation, and then you have this multiple compression that's just happened in the last two years, their valuation effectively, if they were to go public today or get sold, is less than the capital they raised. And that's the most extreme scenario where suddenly all the common shareholders get wiped out in terms of their return.
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Diarization defect: guest Ryan Petersen (Flexport, phoned in as Sacks' 'lifeline' 10:33-33:24) has no label of his own and his turns sit under `David Friedberg` — resolved from content (Sacks 'like Ryan's saying', Chamath 'what you said, Ryan', Jason's 'the Neon Project, as you pointed out, Ryan' pointing back to the 23:20 turn, and 33:14's 'work at the Flexport office every day'); the four hosts' own labels check out and Friedberg's post-33:24 turns are his. Red Sea: Petersen quantified a 20-25% capacity cut on the ~30% of containers transiting Suez with Asia-Europe ocean freight already 3x and air freight next (new idea), while arguing the choke point is too valuable to stay shut; Sacks made the episode's biggest dated call — a 2024 black swan of a widening regional war and an oil shock into a market priced for rate cuts — and Chamath took the direct other side, giving a 3-voice oppose/support/oppose on middle-east-normalization-derails-regional-risk-2023. The cancelled Adobe/Figma deal re-ran the E129 antitrust argument almost exactly: Chamath (three dead deals, Illumina/Grail unwound, 'no viable M&A path') and Sacks pounding the table, Friedberg opposing again on ROIC-and-rates rather than the FTC; adobe-figma-deal-worth-it-2022 (born E096, died 2023-09-17) is closed so nothing attached there, even though Friedberg noted ADBE rallied on the break. The NAR commission verdict is the second new idea — Friedberg brought receipts ($99 MLS self-listing, $100B/yr US commission pool, international comparison chart) and Sacks gave the clean test: 'you'll know the monopoly has ended when the buy side commission goes away'. Venture-structure captures all went to existing slugs (Chamath's LP table and sub-S&P fund returns to venture-alpha-fails, his IPO-underwriting pessimism as an oppose on ipo-window-reopens, Friedberg's below-capital-raised valuations to startup-mass-extinction, Jason's 100-investments-and-offshoring receipts to ai-knowledge-work-cost-collapse). Chamath and Sacks both read the Colorado ballot removal as a Trump accelerant with a SCOTUS reversal coming (attached to fbi-raid-locks-in-trump-2024-nomination-2022); Friedberg answered with a literal shrug and Jason declined to take a side, so neither was captured.