E137

E137: Inflation cools, market rips, Ripple/MSFT beat regulators, NATO summit, cocktails of youth

2023-07-14 spoken.md · speaker-labeled ▶ watch ← E136 all episodes E139 →

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ideas born
23
ideas moved
45
captures · 4 voices
17
dissenting
+94.4
conviction added
-107.6
decay · 108 silent

Every number here is replayed from score_events — the same ledger the pool ranks on. Decay is what the 108 ideas nobody mentioned gave up this week; it applies only when an episode is processed.

Tier crossings

conviction thresholds crossed by this episode — 65 / 45 / 15 · ideas born here show where they landed. why 65 isn't always green

▲ +16.1 🏛️ Nobody's incentives point at de-escalation — the war economy ratchets up watch green threshold 58.4 → 74.4 still watch — green gate not met
▲ +4.4 🏛️ US antitrust is punitive politics, not competition policy - hot-button platforms carry the overhang watch green threshold 61.8 → 66.3 still watch — green gate not met
▲ +12.9 🤖 AI collapses the cost of knowledge work to ten cents on the dollar watch green threshold 52.6 → 65.5 still ember — green gate not met
▲ +36.6 🌍 Markets are bottoming now - the Fed breaks something and the Fed put returns ember watch 19.6 → 56.3
▲ +53.2 🏛️ Courts reverse agency overreach - the regulatory premium on tech and crypto compresses born at watch 53.2
▲ +9.5 🏦 Phase three of the 2023 crisis is a US government debt crisis ember watch 41.4 → 50.9
▼ -25.0 🪙 Crypto collapse triggers a multi-year enforcement and litigation wave green threshold watch 73.5 → 48.5
▲ +9.1 🏛️ Section 230's algorithmic shield gets rolled back - platform liability overhang ember watch 37.0 → 46.1
▼ -13.3 🪙 SEC suits drive the US crypto exchanges offshore watch ember 57.0 → 43.7
▲ +30.5 🏛️ Structural breakup replaces merger-blocking as the big-tech remedy born at ember 30.5
▲ +24.3 📈 Record Atlantic sea-surface temperatures drive the biggest hurricane season ever born at ember 24.3
▲ +15.9 🌍 2023 marks the beginning of the end of dollar reserve dominance dormant ember 5.7 → 21.6
▼ -22.3 📈 Elon's brand backlash caps Tesla's EV share near 30-40% ember dormant 27.0 → 4.7

Kill dates that landed since E136

1 hit · 1 partial · 0 miss — windows that closed after 2023-07-09 and up to 2023-07-14, auto-scored against price data and never hand-set. verdict · R · α

ideaverdictRαclosed
🏦 Inflation hasn't peaked and the terminal rate is above what's priced PARTIAL +9.7% -11.1 2023-07-14
📈 ProKidney's autologous cell therapy for chronic kidney disease HIT +26.8% +6.0 2023-07-14

Who moved the board

each voice's force on conviction this episodesupports and opposes, weighted exactly as the replay applied them · share = % of this episode's movement

Sacks
Sacks
16 captures · 44% of movement · 1 idea born
+115.5 / -126.5 → net -11.0
Friedberg
Friedberg
8 captures · 19% of movement · 2 ideas born
+83.4 / -23.1 → net +60.3
Chamath
Chamath
11 captures · 19% of movement
+45.2 / -60.0 → net -14.8
Jason
Jason
10 captures · 18% of movement
+78.1 / -18.3 → net +59.8

What got argued (23 ideas)

ordered by how hard each idea moved · quotes are verbatim from the transcript, timestamps deep-link into the episode

NEW COIN 🏛️ Courts reverse agency overreach - the regulatory premium on tech and crypto compresses closed 53 ▲ +53.2 -0.0 → 53.2

Ripple's win over the SEC and the FTC's loss on Microsoft/Activision in the same week establish the courts, not the agencies, as the binding constraint on Gensler's and Khan's expansive theories. Token issuers and big-tech acquirers therefore litigate instead of settling, and the merit-independent regulatory overhang on crypto exchanges and tech M&A compresses.

plays COIN ·primary MSFT XRP-USD evals 2024-07-14
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 34:37
but I'm really encouraged at the fact that the court system in the United States doesn't just kowtow to whatever administration is in power at that moment, that they do adjudicate by the law and ultimately provide greater clarity for business
Chamath
Chamath brush_off ×1 sentiment ▶ 35:35
Has this trend changed? I thought America always did that.
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 44:31
And my critique of what the SEC was doing is they were basically seizing power that they did not have.
Jason
Jason support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:01:17
now are we going to see like 10 counter lawsuits, and everybody is just going to sue the SEC and stand up for themselves? I think that's what's going to happen now.
SPY 🌍 Markets are bottoming now - the Fed breaks something and the Fed put returns closed 51 CONTESTED ▲ +36.6 19.6 → 56.3
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction 18mo horizon ▶ 5:02
And so I think right now in the next sort of like 12 to 18 months is really when the bottom is put into the market. It's before the Fed starts cutting.
Jason
Jason support ×2 positioning ▶ 7:20
I did J trading starting last summer and I'm up, whatever, 25%, something crazy like that because I picked all the big tech companies
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 10:56
So there is room for the software index to run up pretty nicely here. You could argue that it's undervalued or fairly valued.
NEW GOOGL 🏛️ Structural breakup replaces merger-blocking as the big-tech remedy closed 8 CONTESTED ▲ +30.5 0.0 → 30.5

Sacks' shift after the FTC's Activision loss: blocking M&A is the wrong lever because it chills risk capital and shuts off the only reliable exit, but the search-plus-advertising and cloud/media monopolies are real and abused, so the remedy that should and will be pursued is structural - break up Google's search and ad stack, spin AWS out of Amazon, spin YouTube out of Google. Bearish the platforms that now carry a structural-remedy overhang rather than a deal-blocking one.

plays GOOGL ·primary AMZN META evals 2024-07-14
Sacks
Sacks support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 40:27
Maybe Amazon should have to spin out AWS. Maybe Google should have to spin out YouTube. Because I do think they are abusive in the way they exercise their authority.
Friedberg
Friedberg oppose ×2 sentiment ▶ 49:51
Look, I'm a free market guy, as you guys know. I think that consumers vote with their dollars and their eyeballs and their time.
COIN 🪙 Crypto collapse triggers a multi-year enforcement and litigation wave closed 45 CONTESTED ▼ -25.0 73.5 → 48.5
Chamath
Chamath oppose ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 32:25
And it really handcuffs the SEC. What are they going to do about Coinbase and every other exchange? I mean, if they're not selling securities, I think Coinbase and everybody else has always maintained they're selling tokens.
Friedberg
Friedberg oppose ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 34:37
It's a judgment that seems to indicate for a lot of folks that these are not going to be treated as securities.
NEW KIE 📈 Record Atlantic sea-surface temperatures drive the biggest hurricane season ever closed 7 ▲ +24.3 0.0 → 24.3

Friedberg's aside off the Atlantic sea-surface temperature anomaly: the 2023 hurricane season is likely to be the largest ever recorded. The market read-through is catastrophe losses at the P&C insurers and reinsurers writing Gulf and Atlantic coastal risk.

plays KIE ·primary ALL evals 2024-07-14
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×1 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:19:08
we could talk about the sea surface temperatures in the Atlantic that's likely going to drive the biggest hurricane season we've ever seen this coming season
SPY 🌍 Rate hikes bite with a lag - back in recession next year closed 18 CONTESTED ▼ -23.8 39.6 → 15.9
Sacks
Sacks reversal ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 24:32
But I think, again, what you're seeing over the last few weeks, it's just more and more evidence that it could be a soft landing, that we may not have a recession and we might even get rate cuts next year.
TLT 🏦 Inflation hasn't peaked and the terminal rate is above what's priced closed 15 CONTESTED ▼ -22.6 37.7 → 15.1
Sacks
Sacks reversal ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 10:56
And the thing that's sort of surprising about what Larry Summers is saying is that if you believe that inflation is gonna come roaring back, that's certainly a contrarian bet. That's not what the market is saying right now.
TSLA 📈 Elon's brand backlash caps Tesla's EV share near 30-40% closed 1 CONTESTED ▼ -22.3 27.0 → 4.7
Jason
Jason oppose ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 52:12
But then Tesla also made the chess move of lowering their prices and having record sales. So their margin went down, but their sales went up.
Sacks
Sacks oppose ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 53:46
And so they're actually interfering in a free market where Tesla is the big winner because they took a huge risk and created a product people wanted.
ITA 🏛️ Nobody's incentives point at de-escalation — the war economy ratchets up closed 50 CONTESTED ▲ +16.1 58.4 → 74.4
Jason
Jason support ×2 sentiment ▶ 1:09:53
I do think that the solution is 10 more Palmer Luckeys. I mean, I think the Silicon Valley's anti-supporting the military is a crazy position that needs to change and we should make more weapons and have VC-backed companies making weapon systems
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:15:24
it's obviously going to require a significant influx of capital by some estimates up to $2 trillion to increase the security capacity of NATO
Sacks
Sacks support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:16:25
Now, you know who it's an asset for is the military industrial complex, because all these countries, when they join NATO, agree to spend 2% of their GDP on defense.
UUP 🌍 2023 marks the beginning of the end of dollar reserve dominance closed 9 CONTESTED ▲ +15.9 5.7 → 21.6
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 59:41
The BRICS countries are about to introduce an alternative currency that's based on gold.
COIN 🪙 SEC suits drive the US crypto exchanges offshore closed 9 CONTESTED ▼ -13.3 57.0 → 43.7
Sacks
Sacks oppose ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 44:31
but I would like the United States to be the place where we figured this out, not driving it overseas. So I'm happy that the judge found in favor of Ripple
MSFT 🤖 AI collapses the cost of knowledge work to ten cents on the dollar closed 28 CONTESTED ▲ +12.9 52.6 → 65.5
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 sentiment ▶ 1:03:03
It replaces all board meetings.
Jason
Jason support ×2 sentiment ▶ 1:03:13
It will reconfigure a website in real time to increase sales. It will tell you why sales are falling off a cliff.
TLT 🏦 Inflation stays sticky in 2023 — the wage chapter closed 8 CONTESTED ▲ +12.1 68.4 → 80.5
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 5:02
So I think that Larry is right. I think that I still believe what I've said for a while, which is rates will be higher for longer.
Jason
Jason support ×2 sentiment ▶ 16:49
So I don't know who's gonna work in all these factories if we don't have an immigration policy.
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 18:56
if their rates go from, you know, eight bucks to 15 bucks to 25 bucks an hour, the cost of fast food goes up
META 🤖 Twitter's riff proves big tech is overstaffed - lean-opex reset ahead closed 52 CONTESTED ▼ -10.8 85.4 → 74.6
Chamath
Chamath oppose ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 9:33
But triage does not work in a bull market. You don't get rewarded for triage in a bull market.
TLT 🏦 Phase three of the 2023 crisis is a US government debt crisis closed 87 ▲ +9.5 41.4 → 50.9
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 58:55
At the end of the day, the market's probably going to impose discipline on us.
XBI 📈 FTC merger-blocking chills early-stage biotech financing closed 19 CONTESTED ▲ +9.3 29.9 → 39.2
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 40:27
There's so few ways to have a good exit in the tech industry that when you take away M&A, it puts a damper on all risk-taking and the deployment of risk capital into the ecosystem.
GOOGL 🏛️ Section 230's algorithmic shield gets rolled back - platform liability overhang closed 32 ▲ +9.1 37.0 → 46.1
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 sentiment ▶ 42:05
Yeah, that's the common carrier argument. But my point is just they have tremendous market power that they abuse in arbitrary ways.
F ⚡ Federal loan-office money onshores the EV battery supply chain closed 6 CONTESTED ▼ -8.8 42.3 → 33.6
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 sentiment ▶ 51:26
This specific thing is more because of the bureaucracy of the government not allowing these credits to basically work across all different kinds of cars.
Sacks
Sacks oppose ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 53:16
I mean, the administration just gave all these subsidies and credits to big companies like Ford and GE to make EVs, but no one wants those cars.
XLY 🌍 The US consumer taps out in 2023 — recession unavoidable closed 4 CONTESTED ▼ -7.2 32.2 → 25.0
Jason
Jason support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 20:27
Is this the last hurrah summer? People, consumers are going to need to get back to work in September because it seems like the credit card debt's going up
Chamath
Chamath oppose ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 21:46
We're going to get people off the sidelines, into the labor market, and things will keep going
Sacks
Sacks reversal ×2 sentiment ▶ 24:32
I've been surprised at just how resilient the economy has been.
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 28:13
And that's starting to translate through into what everyone's been worried about, which is the recessionary or declining effect on revenue, declining effect on profit of companies that are selling goods and services.
BTC-USD 🪙 Crypto fails its bank-run test — liquidity is all correlated closed 20 CONTESTED ▼ -6.6 41.2 → 34.6
Jason
Jason oppose ×1 sentiment ▶ 1:01:17
With this Ripple ruling, I think this becomes a boon for people to say, well, the scarcity of Bitcoin and Bitcoin's stability
META 🏛️ US antitrust is punitive politics, not competition policy - hot-button platforms carry the overhang closed 78 ▲ +4.4 61.8 → 66.3
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 sentiment ▶ 35:38
Look, you obviously have a very zealous administration and a very zealous agency leader who is testing the boundaries.
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 37:16
it's basically that they view themselves as a hammer, and every deal, particularly if it's done by Big Tech, is a nail
Sacks
Sacks oppose ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 39:27
They are giant monopolies and they do need to be restrained and controlled or they will basically consolidate the whole tech ecosystem and abuse their market power.
Jason
Jason support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 47:15
but I think she is absolutely doing Biden's bidding with an anti-tech, anti-wealth creation, anti-capitalism, frankly, pro-union punishment. I think this is punishment for tech being too successful.
DIS 📈 Premium-IP media rerates - Iger's Disney and Warner's library closed 23 CONTESTED ▲ +1.9 16.5 → 18.4
Chamath
Chamath oppose ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 27:02
the fact that Disney has been decaying for the past year is more emblematic of the fact that they've gotten into this social culture war and half the population of America said, we're not going to support your business like they did to Bud Light
Jason
Jason support ×2 positioning ▶ 30:09
I bought the stock, and it's the one thing in my JTrading portfolio I've gotten crushing on. That and Warner Brothers Discovery. I made two entertainment bets on what I think are the two best companies.
IGV 🤖 SaaS gets replaced by MaaS — Models as a Service closed 22 CONTESTED ▼ -0.9 37.9 → 37.1
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 13:14
So the idea that software businesses generate long-term profits is so far unfortunately been a fallacy. So that chart, I think will stay exactly the same way it is. I think the bloom is off the road.
Sacks
Sacks oppose ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 15:40
And not all those companies are losing money. A growing number of them are making money. I just think that's like a sweeping overgeneralization. So I still think software businesses are some of the best businesses.

Episode digest

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June CPI at 3.0% forced the bearish rate/recession cluster into the open, and Sacks walked back two of his own calls in one sitting: he conceded a soft landing may be happening and that inflation coming roaring back is now the contrarian bet, reversing both rate-hike-lag-recession-2023 and inflation-not-peaked-terminal-rate-higher-2022 (which dies on this episode's air date). Chamath kept higher-for-longer but flipped the equity conclusion he held since Nov-21, table-pounding that the bottom is being put in over the next 12-18 months as sidelined cash is forced into growth - while separately arguing cost-cutting only gets rewarded while short rates are 5%, which cuts against his own lean-opex thesis. The Ripple ruling and Microsoft's FTC win produced a genuine regime read - the courts, not the agencies, now set the boundary - so two new ideas were coined: courts-reverse-agency-overreach-2023 (bullish COIN/XRP/MSFT, Chamath brushed it off) and structural-breakup-remedy-for-big-tech-2023, where Sacks broke ranks with the pod's punitive-antitrust consensus and called for spinning AWS out of Amazon and YouTube out of Google. Sacks also used the EV inventory glut (92 days vs 54 for gas cars) to trash the federal EV loan thesis and crown Tesla, and closed on NATO expansion as a defense-contractor annuity. Diarization: the Friedberg cluster is labelled 'Eric Friedberg' - a hallucinated first name, not a different person; content confirmed (Science Corner/Yamanaka factors, worked at Google, 'Sultan of Science' in the outro), canonicalized to Friedberg. Top-talker, addressed-by-name and fingerprint tests all passed for the other three; the apparent 4-minute time gap at 1:19:08 is one long Science Corner turn, not missing audio.