E152

E152: Real estate chaos, WeWork bankruptcy, Biden regulates AI, Ukraine's “Cronkite Moment” & more

2023-11-03 spoken.md · speaker-labeled ▶ watch ← E151 all episodes E156 →

3
ideas born
15
ideas moved
29
captures · 3 voices
7
dissenting
+213.4
conviction added
-112.5
decay · 105 silent

Every number here is replayed from score_events — the same ledger the pool ranks on. Decay is what the 105 ideas nobody mentioned gave up this week; it applies only when an episode is processed.

Tier crossings

conviction thresholds crossed by this episode — 65 / 45 / 15 · ideas born here show where they landed. why 65 isn't always green

▲ +19.7 📈 Office commercial real estate reckoning — SF towers go to the banks watch green threshold 56.6 → 76.3 still watch — green gate not met
▲ +59.0 📈 WeWork's Chapter 11 resets its leases at 60 cents - landlords eat it, the distressed buyer wins born at watch 59.0
▲ +58.7 🌍 Risk-off overhang lifts - equities and high-beta growth rally born at watch 58.7
▲ +7.8 🤖 Inference cost is the gate on AI search — 10x too expensive today ember watch 42.4 → 50.2
▲ +49.3 🏛️ AI regulation pushes model development offshore - bet on India born at watch 49.3
▲ +30.0 🏛️ An FDA for AI — model deployment gets licensed at the compute layer dormant ember 0.0 → 30.0
▲ +11.3 🏦 Fed's bank funding facility only kicks the can — massive rate cuts are the exit dormant ember 13.8 → 25.1
▲ +14.8 🤖 Creator and gig income absorbs the labor force - participation stats understate earning power dormant ember 9.1 → 23.9
▼ -25.9 🤖 AI collapses the cost of knowledge work to ten cents on the dollar watch ember 48.1 → 22.2
▼ -32.7 🏦 Inflation stays sticky in 2023 — the wage chapter watch ember 54.4 → 21.8
▲ +8.8 🏛️ Washington rescues commercial real estate with a structured lending program dormant ember 6.2 → 15.1

Kill dates that landed since E151

0 hit · 0 partial · 2 miss — windows that closed after 2023-10-27 and up to 2023-11-03, auto-scored against price data and never hand-set. verdict · R · α

ideaverdictRαclosed
📈 Activists cannot move founder-controlled big tech above the line MISS -218.5% -226.5 2023-10-29
🤖 Musk turns Twitter around fast - MAU value doubles or triples MISS -8.9% -16.9 2023-10-29

Who moved the board

each voice's force on conviction this episodesupports and opposes, weighted exactly as the replay applied them · share = % of this episode's movement

Chamath
Chamath
12 captures · 46% of movement · 1 idea born
+119.3 / -56.2 → net +63.1
Sacks
Sacks
9 captures · 28% of movement · 1 idea born
+93.4 / -15.5 → net +77.9
Friedberg
Friedberg
8 captures · 26% of movement · 1 idea born
+85.3 / -12.9 → net +72.3

What got argued (15 ideas)

ordered by how hard each idea moved · quotes are verbatim from the transcript, timestamps deep-link into the episode

NEW SLG 📈 WeWork's Chapter 11 resets its leases at 60 cents - landlords eat it, the distressed buyer wins closed 9 ▲ +59.0 0.0 → 59.0

WeWork's bankruptcy is a lease-restructuring event, not an asset failure: a private-equity buyer takes the 777 locations out of Chapter 11, sheds the dead ones and forces the rest to roughly 60 cents on the dollar, inheriting billions of already-spent tenant-improvement dollars for free. Landlords have no better tenant and no TI capital of their own, so they accept - the value transfers out of office landlords' rent rolls and into whoever buys the estate.

plays SLG ·primary BXP VNO evals 2024-11-03
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 sentiment ▶ 41:38
the business is just drowning in these lease obligations and to restructure 777 lease obligations in this environment that we're talking about while doing what Chamath is saying, lowering rents to attract employers to show up and actually rent space from them is obviously causing the business model to distort even worse than it has been historically.
Sacks
Sacks support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 43:02
There's no question that WeWork has been a capital destruction machine. That being said, I actually think that some private equity player is going to buy this out of bankruptcy and make a fortune.
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 sentiment ▶ 45:20
Oh my God, you just convinced me. Let's go buy it.
NEW SPY 🌍 Risk-off overhang lifts - equities and high-beta growth rally closed 11 CONTESTED ▲ +58.7 0.0 → 58.7

Both geopolitical overhangs de-risk rather than escalate: Ukraine now has a recognized terminal outcome (money bleeds, but it is not a winnable forever war) and Israel-Gaza reverts to the familiar conflict/timeout cycle. With another Fed hike off the table and mutual funds starting a new fiscal year holding cash they are not paid to hold, the war-and-rates risk premium comes out of equities and the high-beta growth names lead the move.

plays SPY ·primary ARKK QQQ evals 2024-11-03
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 18:33
if what we think is now this is just a version of conflict, timeout, and the market de-risks that, then it's actually pretty positive for equities, for startups
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 sentiment ▶ 21:31
So if you believe that we're going to be in a cycle of rate decreases and that whole thing has played its way out, then everything's going to rally.
NEW INDA 🏛️ AI regulation pushes model development offshore - bet on India closed 19 ▲ +49.3 0.0 → 49.3

The Biden AI executive order (and the EU's draft act) regulate systems and methods - parameter thresholds, self-reporting, government audits of private compute - rather than outcomes and applications, which is unworkable and obsolete within a few years. The burden lands only on US developers while the models, weights and tooling are already public, so development, talent and capital migrate to India, China, Singapore and other jurisdictions and America's AI lead erodes.

plays INDA ·primary INDY KWEB evals 2024-11-03
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 47:48
If we don't allow our market to develop in the United States, India and China and Singapore and other markets will get well ahead of us in terms of their model development and their capabilities as a nation and their capabilities as an industry.
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 sentiment ▶ 1:04:54
Yeah, but I think, Friedberg, your larger point about US versus India versus China, I think this could have a major impact on our global competitiveness.
TLT 🏦 Inflation stays sticky in 2023 — the wage chapter closed 8 CONTESTED ▼ -32.7 54.4 → 21.8
Chamath
Chamath reversal ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 20:32
I think what changed for the market was the Fed's rhetoric. And I think that they were holding on to this option that they were going to show up out of nowhere with another 25 or 50 basis point increase. And I think that that's fundamentally now off the table.
MSFT 🏛️ An FDA for AI — model deployment gets licensed at the compute layer closed 14 CONTESTED ▲ +30.0 0.0 → 30.0
Friedberg
Friedberg oppose ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 47:48
I'm just really of the point of view, as you guys know, that the market needs to be allowed to develop... the more our government actors step in and try and tell us what systems and methods we are allowed to use to build stuff, the more at risk we are falling behind.
Sacks
Sacks support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:00:34
This is how we're going to end up with a Federal Software Commission, just like we have an FCC to run big communications and we have an FDA to run big pharma. We're going to end up with a Federal Software Commission to run software, big software.
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 sentiment ▶ 1:02:43
So I did write a blog post sort of asking for this AI regulation. And I do think the model of the FDA is probably the best one, where in certain use cases, I do think that you can create a sandbox where these things can be tested and I think can be evaluated.
MSFT 🤖 AI collapses the cost of knowledge work to ten cents on the dollar closed 28 CONTESTED ▼ -25.9 48.1 → 22.2
Chamath
Chamath oppose ×3 sentiment ▶ 1:21:55
We have nothing to really show for it yet, so it's hard to say that. It's cute and it's cool, but there's nothing really substantive.
Friedberg
Friedberg oppose ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:23:37
One is a new modality in human-computer interaction through chat, which is incredible and opens up lots of new software applications and markets, which I think can be transformative and worth trillions of dollars.
BXP 📈 Office commercial real estate reckoning — SF towers go to the banks closed 62 ▲ +19.7 56.6 → 76.3
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 22:05
The $3 trillion of debt that we just mentioned that's sitting on all the bank's balance sheets is all being held at par. They're not discounting it at all, and they're not marking it as being impaired in any way... there's a real risk in the market that I don't think has been fully accounted for, that we're starting to see the cracks.
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 sentiment ▶ 30:21
I think you could give it to me for zero and I wouldn't bring my team back there.
Sacks
Sacks support ×3 explicit_prediction 12mo horizon ▶ 33:10
for San Francisco, I'd say probably half the debt should be written off... there'll be about 20 more that are coming to market that will trade in the next year. It's going to be fire sale after fire sale.
SHOP 🤖 Creator and gig income absorbs the labor force - participation stats understate earning power closed 24 ▲ +14.8 9.1 → 23.9
Chamath
Chamath support ×1 sentiment ▶ 9:10
You know, when you see like what Jimmy Donaldson does, or even like Kim Kardashian, what they do as content creators, it's just an intense process that then creates all this upside.
TLT 🏦 Fed's bank funding facility only kicks the can — massive rate cuts are the exit closed 6 CONTESTED ▲ +11.3 13.8 → 25.1
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 18:33
It looks like the markets are stable. Let's cut rates, right? Let's reintroduce some demand into the market.
BXP 🏛️ Washington rescues commercial real estate with a structured lending program closed 17 CONTESTED ▲ +8.8 6.2 → 15.1
Sacks
Sacks oppose ×2 sentiment ▶ 36:59
So I mostly see this Biden program as symbolic, but the question is whether the symbolism will actually drive better behavior by these blue cities.
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 38:31
I personally think they're just trying to find more ways to pump money into supporting commercial real estate markets because of the issues we just highlighted. And I think this is the first of what will likely be several programs to support, framed as things like affordable housing, but really designed to support the economic loss impairment that's going to be inevitable at some point.
TLT 🏦 Phase three of the 2023 crisis is a US government debt crisis closed 87 ▼ -8.4 87.1 → 78.7
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 31:49
There's gonna be a huge budget shortfall over the next year and next couple of years, because there's no activity. I mean, a third of the economic activity of the city has just dried up.
Chamath
Chamath oppose ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 40:23
counties and municipalities and cities that are in much worse fiscal shape than San Francisco was able to stay incompetent for a lot longer. And so that delta T of incompetence tends to be about five to ten years. I would say the midpoint is eight.
NVDA 🤖 Inference cost is the gate on AI search — 10x too expensive today closed 26 ▲ +7.8 42.4 → 50.2
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:24:27
There's a level of investment multiplied by a level of improvement in the underlying hardware, multiplied by a level of improvement in the underlying models that's creating a 400x improvement from the baseline every year.
ITA 🏛️ Nobody's incentives point at de-escalation — the war economy ratchets up closed 50 CONTESTED ▲ +7.3 71.1 → 78.4
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 15:06
Will policymakers in Washington change their tune or change their perspective on this? Probably not, the uniparty of both Republicans and Democrats are still seems to be a majority who want to fund another 61 billion for Ukraine.
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 sentiment ▶ 16:39
I've shared my point of view for a couple of years now. I think the US is in a, call it subconscious conflict escalatory state that would continue to drive us into these sorts of conflict
META 🤖 Open-source models commoditize the model layer and move to the edge closed 83 ▲ +6.9 50.5 → 57.4
Sacks
Sacks oppose ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 58:01
Because one of the big targets here is going to be open source software. So if you are, for example, open AI, which is no longer open, it's closed source, the number one thing you want to do is pull up the ladder before open source software can get a lot of momentum.
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 sentiment ▶ 59:27
And by the way, Lama 2 is out there. Hardware is out there. All the tooling is out there for others to start to get well ahead.
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 sentiment ▶ 1:04:37
Yeah, before I give all the credit to Facebook, I'd rather say that I think there are a lot of open source alternatives, including Mistral, that I think are much better.
KRE 📈 SVB failure triggers deposit flight out of the regional banks closed 30 ▲ +6.8 45.6 → 52.5
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 sentiment ▶ 35:43
Well, book value is a term that you need to put in quotes. So my question would be, what are the rules around the real mark to market? Because I think that when we talked about the banking crisis, the biggest problem was these guys were playing fast and loose with valuations.

Episode digest

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DIARIZATION DEFECT: Jason was genuinely absent ("J Cal, taking the week off", 0:14) and every turn labelled `Jason Calacanis` is actually FRIEDBERG, who moderated - receipts: the label does the third-person roster intro naming Friedberg, Chamath cues "Friedberg in our CEO search" immediately before it, Sacks twice addresses it as "Friedberg" (58:01, 1:04:54), and it closes with Friedberg's signature awe-and-wonder sign-off. Every Friedberg mention here carries the label-Jason turn's timestamp. The lone `Sean` turn is a played job-application video, not a guest. Real estate ate the first half: Friedberg's $3T of CRE loans held at par, Sacks calling half of SF's office debt a write-off with "fire sale after fire sale" over the next year, Chamath table-pounding that he wouldn't take a downtown building at zero rent - and Friedberg restating his betted federal-CRE-rescue call on the Biden $45B conversion program, which Sacks dismissed as symbolic. Sacks's WeWork call is the sharpest new idea: a PE buyer takes the 777 leases out of Chapter 11 at ~60 cents and makes a fortune off Adam Neumann's sunk TI dollars, with the landlords eating it. The biggest capture is a REVERSAL: Chamath, the author of sticky-inflation-2023 and a strength-3 supporter as recently as E146, now says another hike is "fundamentally off the table", inflation is calm, cuts are coming and the de-risking of Ukraine/Gaza makes it "pretty positive for equities, for startups" - coined as risk-premium-unwinds-equities-rally-2023 (Nov 2023 was, in hindsight, the bottom). On AI, Sacks predicts a Federal Software Commission (support on Chamath's ai-fda-licensing-regime) while Friedberg argues the EO regulates systems not outcomes and "it's a good time to bet on India" (1:04:16) - coined as ai-regulation-drives-development-offshore-2023. JUDGEMENT CALLS to double-check: (1) Sacks's regulatory-capture/Federal-Software-Commission take is scored `support` on ai-fda-licensing-regime because he affirms the outcome and the incumbent compliance moat, even though he hates it - he was an opposer of that idea at E124; (2) Chamath now praises Mistral and open-weights alternatives after opposing open-source-models-commoditize at E129, scored `support`; (3) Chamath's "cities can stay incompetent for eight to ten years" is scored `oppose` on us-sovereign-debt-crisis-phase-three (he defers the state/city leg rather than denying it) and no idea was coined for the decade framing, per the 36-month cap.