🌍 China's growth engine breaks - property bust plus bank runs
China's three growth drivers are failing at once: manufacturing growth fell from 25% y/y in 2008 to 6% in 2022, real-estate sales post their first-ever decline after rising from 250M sqm (2005) to 1.5B sqm (2021), and financial services (8% of the economy, $58T of assets) is levered to both. Frozen deposits at rural banks, tanks outside branches, and mortgage boycotts across 301 unfinished developments in 91 cities are the visible cracks - Sacks calls it China's 2008. Chinese equities and financials carry the cost.
⚖ Why this result
fully deterministic — computed from daily closes on the scoring date; nothing below is editable or hand-set
- Window: 2022-07-22 → 2023-07-22 — first mention + 12-month horizon, then the window locks.
- The call: ▼ SHORT FXI (primary play). FXI fell 9.4% over the window → return (sign flipped for a SHORT) = +9.4% (the call made money).
- Benchmark: holding SPY over the same window returned +16.3%
→ vs SPY = +9.4 − (+16.3) = -6.9%
— what this call made or lost against just owning the index. This is the number the result uses.
Direction-only read: +25.7% — did FXI move the predicted way relative to the market. The two only differ on a SHORT: this call was right about direction relative to the index but still cost money versus holding it.
- Rule fired:
· RIGHT — return ≥ +10% AND beat SPY by 5+▶ HALF — return ≥ +5% OR beat SPY at all· WRONG — everything else
- Credit: supporters of a HALF earn 0.5 each, opposers the opposite — this feeds the scoreboard. supported: Chamath, Jason, Sacks | opposed: Friedberg
Conviction timeline
bands: green ≥ 65 · watch ≥ 45 · ember ≥ 15
Plays vs SPY · % since first mention (2022-07-22)
Plays
| expression | symbol | kind | relevance | rationale |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| ▼ SHORT | FXI | etf | PRIMARY | China large-cap, heavily weighted to the banks and property-linked names at the center of the crisis |
| ▼ SHORT | ASHR | etf | adjacent | mainland A-shares, where the domestic property and banking exposure sits |
| ▼ SHORT | EWH | etf | adjacent | Hong Kong equities are levered to mainland property and credit |
Mention log newest first
“China economically, I don't know where the demand is going to come from. You know, on the same time that their internal demand is imploding, they're creating all these export controls that I think are not going to actually help them solve the problem because it just accelerates Western economies' desire to delever from China.”
“We always think that it's a linear line and that it's super dogmatic and fixed, but there's certainly responsiveness. And the release of the lockdowns in Guangzhou and Beijing this week seems to have been a pretty good indication that when things do get, when the tides do change, leadership there seems to respond, not always, but enough to kind of keep things going.”
“So a lot of the conflict and the things that are starting to fall apart, which may just be the tip of the iceberg, is a function of a fundamentally slowing economy and the forecast and the outlook for an economy that doesn't have the drivers it's had historically.”
Who built this conviction
each voice's total push on the score, in conviction points across every mention — supports and opposes · share = % of all mention-driven movement
⏳ decay drained -42.6 over the idea's life — that's time passing, attributed to no one
Score events
| episode | kind | Δ | after | note |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| E88 2022-07-22 | init | +42.0 | 42.0 | E88 born by Friedberg (explicit_prediction x3) |
| E88 2022-07-22 | reinforce | +13.1 | 55.0 | E88 Sacks support x2 (new voice) |
| E88 2022-07-22 | reinforce | +10.1 | 65.2 | E88 Jason support x2 (new voice) |
| E89 2022-07-29 | decay | -2.6 | 62.6 | E89 silent |
| E90 2022-08-05 | decay | -2.5 | 60.1 | E90 silent |
| E91 2022-08-13 | decay | -2.4 | 57.7 | E91 silent |
| E92 2022-08-20 | decay | -2.3 | 55.3 | E92 silent |
| E93 2022-08-26 | decay | -2.2 | 53.1 | E93 silent |
| E94 2022-09-01 | decay | -2.1 | 51.0 | E94 silent |
| E95 2022-09-10 | decay | -2.0 | 49.0 | E95 silent |
| E96 2022-09-17 | decay | -2.0 | 47.0 | E96 silent |
| E97 2022-09-23 | decay | -1.9 | 45.1 | E97 silent |
| E98 2022-10-01 | decay | -1.8 | 43.3 | E98 silent |
| E99 2022-10-07 | decay | -1.7 | 41.6 | E99 silent |
| E100 2022-10-14 | decay | -1.7 | 39.9 | E100 silent |
| E101 2022-10-22 | decay | -1.6 | 38.3 | E101 silent |
| E102 2022-10-29 | decay | -1.5 | 36.8 | E102 silent |
| E103 2022-11-05 | decay | -1.5 | 35.3 | E103 silent |
| E105 2022-11-19 | decay | -1.4 | 33.9 | E105 silent |
| E106 2022-12-03 | oppose | -9.6 | 24.3 | E106 Friedberg opposes x1 |
| E106 2022-12-03 | oppose | -12.0 | 12.3 | E106 Chamath opposes x2 |
| E107 2022-12-10 | decay | -0.5 | 11.8 | E107 silent |
| E108 2022-12-16 | decay | -0.5 | 11.3 | E108 silent |
| E109 2022-12-24 | decay | -0.5 | 10.9 | E109 silent |
| E110 2023-01-06 | decay | -0.4 | 10.5 | E110 silent |
| E111 2023-01-13 | decay | -0.4 | 10.0 | E111 silent |
| E112 2023-01-20 | decay | -0.4 | 9.6 | E112 silent |
| E113 2023-01-27 | decay | -0.4 | 9.3 | E113 silent |
| E114 2023-02-04 | decay | -0.4 | 8.9 | E114 silent |
| E115 2023-02-11 | decay | -0.4 | 8.5 | E115 silent |
| E116 2023-02-17 | decay | -0.3 | 8.2 | E116 silent |
| E118 2023-03-03 | decay | -0.3 | 7.9 | E118 silent |
| E119 2023-03-11 | decay | -0.3 | 7.5 | E119 silent |
| E120 2023-03-17 | decay | -0.3 | 7.2 | E120 silent |
| E121 2023-03-24 | decay | -0.3 | 7.0 | E121 silent |
| E122 2023-03-31 | decay | -0.3 | 6.7 | E122 silent |
| E123 2023-04-07 | decay | -0.3 | 6.4 | E123 silent |
| E124 2023-04-14 | decay | -0.3 | 6.2 | E124 silent |
| E125 2023-04-21 | decay | -0.2 | 5.9 | E125 silent |
| E126 2023-04-28 | decay | -0.2 | 5.7 | E126 silent |
| E128 2023-05-12 | decay | -0.2 | 5.4 | E128 silent |
| E129 2023-05-19 | decay | -0.2 | 5.2 | E129 silent |
| E130 2023-05-26 | decay | -0.2 | 5.0 | E130 silent |
| E131 2023-06-02 | reinforce | +14.2 | 19.3 | E131 Sacks support x2 |
| E132 2023-06-10 | decay | -0.8 | 18.5 | E132 silent |
| E133 2023-06-16 | decay | -0.7 | 17.8 | E133 silent |
| E134 2023-06-24 | decay | -0.7 | 17.0 | E134 silent |
| E135 2023-07-01 | decay | -0.7 | 16.4 | E135 silent |
| E136 2023-07-09 | reinforce | +12.5 | 28.9 | E136 Chamath support x2 (flipped from oppose) |
| E137 2023-07-14 | decay | -1.2 | 27.8 | E137 silent |