E108

E108: Doxing debate, Nuclear fusion breakthrough, state of the markets & more

2022-12-16 spoken.md · speaker-labeled ▶ watch ← E107 all episodes E109 →

ideas born

ideas moved

captures · 4 voices

dissenting

+13.6

conviction added

-105.8

decay · 94 silent

Every number here is replayed from score_events — the same ledger the pool ranks on. Decay is what the 94 ideas nobody mentioned gave up this week; it applies only when an episode is processed.

Tier crossings

conviction thresholds crossed by this episode — 65 / 45 / 15 · ideas born here show where they landed. why 65 isn't always green

▲ +23.8 📈 Private equity takes out the busted post-IPO cohort ember → watch 33.7 → 57.5

▼ -31.0 🤖 Musk turns Twitter around fast - MAU value doubles or triples watch → ember 51.7 → 20.7

Who moved the board

each voice's force on conviction this episode — supports and opposes, weighted exactly as the replay applied them · share = % of this episode's movement

Chamath

5 captures · 57% of movement

+14.0 / -43.1 → net -29.1

Sacks

4 captures · 23% of movement

+22.7 → net +22.7

Friedberg

3 captures · 14% of movement

+14.1 → net +14.1

Jason

1 capture · 6% of movement

+5.8 → net +5.8

What got argued (9 ideas)

ordered by how hard each idea moved · quotes are verbatim from the transcript, timestamps deep-link into the episode

▲ TSLA 🤖 Musk turns Twitter around fast - MAU value doubles or triples closed 21 ▼ -31.0 51.7 → 20.7

Chamath reversal ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 4:59

And that's because, again, not because of the demand at Tesla, as far as we can tell, but because people believe he's distracted. And so people are anticipating weakness at Tesla. People are now shorting the stock. Anyways, it's causing this downward spiral.

▲ PTON 📈 Private equity takes out the busted post-IPO cohort closed 29 ▲ +23.8 33.7 → 57.5

Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 51:38

And so I think Coupa is like the canary in the coal mine. It is the beginning of what I suspect is a tidal wave of PE sponsored deals in tech companies, largely SaaS but may go into other realms.

Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:12:41

But look, if you are a founder, if you don't start acting in a more capital efficient way and preserve your cash, your company is ultimately going to be owned by a private equity firm and they are going to make all the money.

Friedberg support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:13:35

The alternative is that the majority of acquisitions made by private equity firms are not actually pure acquisitions. They're bolt on acquisitions, meaning that these are companies that are added to existing platforms that they own.

▲ ADBE 📈 Adobe/Figma at $20B is a good deal - the 15-20% selloff is an overreaction closed 0 CONTESTED ▼ -12.1 35.9 → 23.9

Chamath oppose ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:07:24

Because if you take those three things, I mean, oh my God, they just absolutely top ticked before any of this stuff was known. So today Adobe could probably buy this thing for like 7 billion instead of 20 billion.

▼ CRM 🤖 SaaS seat contraction — net revenue retention goes below 100% closed 47 ▲ +9.6 31.2 → 40.8

Sacks support ×3 explicit_prediction 12mo horizon ▶ 1:06:00

Okay, look, there's going to be three major sources of slowdown for software companies next year. Number one, new business is going to dry up.

▼ GOOGL 🏛️ Section 230's algorithmic shield gets rolled back - platform liability overhang closed 32 ▲ +5.8 51.3 → 57.1

Jason support ×1 sentiment ▶ 16:55

which is why we have this issue of, hey, should 230 be rethought? Because when they act en masse, it is extraordinary what they can do to an individual.

▼ IGV 📈 Stock-based comp and Evergreen dilution get repriced closed 35 ▲ +5.3 59.4 → 64.7

Friedberg support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 58:36

So if you take out the stock-based comp, these guys are actually break even or losing money, roughly.

▼ IPO 📈 Late-stage private marks reset 30-60% — down-round IPOs become the norm closed 85 ▲ +5.1 82.1 → 87.2

Sacks support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 54:24

it's still a wake up call to the private markets that the valuations are still completely and utterly out of whack.

Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:10:12

Well, if you do the math, the sum of the area above this black line is almost a trillion dollars around the world. And it is about $600 billion for US venture capitalists.

▲ META 🤖 Twitter's riff proves big tech is overstaffed - lean-opex reset ahead closed 52 CONTESTED ▲ +4.3 84.4 → 88.7

Friedberg support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 47:47

I had said that there could probably be a significant headcount reduction of like 75% at Google, and the business could keep operating.

Chamath support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 51:38

And two, all these rifts basically show what the efficient frontier is for the number of employees you need to run a company. And if you can cut 50% of the headcount, private equity folks will do that.

▼ SPY 🌍 Rate hikes bite with a lag - back in recession next year closed 18 CONTESTED ▲ +2.8 83.4 → 86.2

Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction 18mo horizon ▶ 1:07:54

We're going to have major economic headwinds for the next four to six quarters. Call it year and a half.

Episode digest

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Two new ideas, both out of the NIF fusion segment: Friedberg's ENIAC-moment call (production demo in the 2030s, grid scale in the 2040s, funded because hydrogen scales 100x, not because it's cheap) and Chamath's counter that solar is already at ~3c/kWh heading to 1.5c in a decade, so the next $10B belongs in batteries, green hydrogen and HVAC efficiency rather than a government-lab moonshot he calls uninvestible. The valuable reversal is Chamath on musk-twitter-turnaround-value-creation-2022 — he was an original proposer at E102 and now says he is 'not a fan of this battle', with receipts: the $3.8B Tesla sale, margin loans, shorts anticipating a distracted CEO, 'this downward spiral'. The Coupa/Thoma Bravo block reinforced a lot of standing 2022 bearishness: Chamath called Coupa the canary for a PE take-private tidal wave funded by private credit against ARR, Sacks said private valuations are 'completely and utterly out of whack' and pre-announced 2023 software demand contraction (new business -50%, logo churn 15%->25-30%, seat contraction) plus 'four to six quarters' of macro headwinds, and Chamath put $600B of US venture marks above the mean-reversion line. Chamath also re-hit his anti-Adobe/Figma stance with a number — Adobe could buy Figma for $7B today instead of $20B — and Friedberg put his censored 75%-headcount-cut-at-Google claim back on the record. Diarization CLEAN: 147/89/80/68, Jason top talker, ten addressed-by-name checks all resolved to the right next speaker, fingerprints confirmed (Friedberg science corner, Sacks liq-pref/Cooley analysis, Chamath's 'Launch, Craft' aside naming Jason's and Sacks' own firms). One tension worth noting for later scoring: Chamath's near-free-energy cost curve here sits awkwardly against his own grid-capex-electricity-prices-double-2022 thesis, but he never addresses grid capex or retail prices, so no stance was recorded there.