E91

E91: SoftBank's $21B+ Vision Fund loss, signals of a bubble, macro picture, Trump raided by FBI

2022-08-13 spoken.md · speaker-labeled ▶ watch ← E90 all episodes E92 →

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ideas born
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ideas moved
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captures · 4 voices
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dissenting
+92.3
conviction added
-88.2
decay · 75 silent

Every number here is replayed from score_events — the same ledger the pool ranks on. Decay is what the 75 ideas nobody mentioned gave up this week; it applies only when an episode is processed.

Tier crossings

conviction thresholds crossed by this episode — 65 / 45 / 15 · ideas born here show where they landed. why 65 isn't always green

▲ +13.1 📈 The negative-unit-economics growth playbook dies with free capital ember watch 44.0 → 57.1
▼ -16.0 🌍 Consumer credit bubble bursts into a credit crisis watch ember 58.5 → 42.5
▲ +39.4 🌍 Rate hikes bite with a lag - back in recession next year born at ember 39.4
▲ +33.8 🏛️ The Mar-a-Lago raid makes Trump nearly unbeatable for the 2024 nomination born at ember 33.8
▲ +31.3 📈 SoftBank survives the Vision Fund blowup - Masa gets to swing again born at ember 31.3
▼ -21.6 📈 Private capital concentrates in a few mega-GPs that take themselves public ember dormant 21.6 → 0.0

Kill dates that landed since E90

3 hit · 1 partial · 0 miss — windows that closed after 2022-08-05 and up to 2022-08-13, auto-scored against price data and never hand-set. verdict · R · α

ideaverdictRαclosed
📈 Buy-now-pay-later is a feature, not a company HIT +50.3% +55.5 2022-08-06
🏛️ Financial deplatforming becomes the next big political fight HIT +65.9% +71.1 2022-08-06
🪙 Tether is a fraud and the peg breaks PARTIAL +0.0% +5.3 2022-08-06
📈 Zymergen's implosion impairs the whole synthetic-biology cohort HIT +65.4% +70.7 2022-08-06

Who moved the board

each voice's force on conviction this episodesupports and opposes, weighted exactly as the replay applied them · share = % of this episode's movement

Sacks
Sacks
6 captures · 39% of movement · 2 ideas born
+78.8 / -10.6 → net +68.2
Chamath
Chamath
7 captures · 35% of movement · 1 idea born
+34.5 / -46.6 → net -12.1
Friedberg
Friedberg
3 captures · 14% of movement
+20.0 / -11.1 → net +8.9
Jason
Jason
2 captures · 12% of movement
+27.4 → net +27.4

What got argued (13 ideas)

ordered by how hard each idea moved · quotes are verbatim from the transcript, timestamps deep-link into the episode

NEW SPY 🌍 Rate hikes bite with a lag - back in recession next year closed 18 CONTESTED ▲ +39.4 0.0 → 39.4

Sacks' call: the current downturn is a shallow technical recession that the US probably bounces out of with positive GDP growth in Q3 or Q4 2022, but there is a significant risk of falling back into recession next year because 2022's rate hikes take six to nine months to ripple through the economy. Construction is the bellwether and has already been clobbered - housing starts down, inventories piling up, affordability at a 40-year low - and it leads the rest of the economy into the downturn.

plays SPY ·primary IWM XHB evals 2023-08-13
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction 12mo horizon ▶ 40:03
So look, I think we're in a shallow technical recession right now. I bet that we probably bounce out of it in Q3 or Q4, but I think there's a significant risk that we're back in it next year. Just my guess.
NEW DJT 🏛️ The Mar-a-Lago raid makes Trump nearly unbeatable for the 2024 nomination closed 38 CONTESTED ▲ +33.8 0.0 → 33.8

Sacks' call that the FBI raid polarized the outcomes and backfired politically: Republicans rally around Trump, and he becomes very hard to beat as the 2024 GOP nominee unless the FBI produces ironclad evidence of serious wrongdoing. The tradeable read-through is the Trump-linked listed vehicle, which trades as a proxy on his political odds.

plays DJT ·primary evals 2024-08-13
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction 24mo horizon ▶ 59:34
They are basically going to send Trump to the big house or the White House. I mean, because now the Republicans have rallied around Trump, I think he's going to be very, very hard to beat as the nominee in 2024, unless the FBI comes up with ironclad evidence to show that he did something significantly wrong.
NEW SFTBY 📈 SoftBank survives the Vision Fund blowup - Masa gets to swing again closed 14 ▲ +31.3 0.0 → 31.3

Contrarian read on the $21B+ Vision Fund quarterly loss: SoftBank is structurally fine and the equity recovers. More than half of the sovereign LP money sits in preferred equity paying a coupon rather than common, SoftBank has already sold down 25% of its Alibaba stake through forwards and derivatives to manage liquidity, and Masa has a fifty-year record of coming back from 99% drawdowns. One more hit, or an Alibaba recovery, closes the gap between the $66B market cap and the underlying assets.

plays SFTBY ·primary BABA evals 2023-08-13
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 sentiment ▶ 6:53
SoftBank has found a way to sell down 25% of Alibaba, which is no trivial feat for half a trillion dollar company. This guy gets to keep swinging and if he hits it one more time, he'll end up with half a trillion.
Jason
Jason support ×1 sentiment 12mo horizon ▶ 36:28
we could be sitting here next year. Alibaba could double in value. A couple of their other positions could recover 50%.
BX 📈 Private capital concentrates in a few mega-GPs that take themselves public closed 41 CONTESTED ▼ -21.6 21.6 → 0.0
Sacks
Sacks oppose ×2 sentiment ▶ 11:42
And fundamentally, you know, VC is not that scalable. There was an attempt to make it scalable. There's an attempt to push more money into VC.
Chamath
Chamath reversal ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 12:26
It is scalable. It's just that if you try to scale it, your returns will go to zero.
COF 🌍 Consumer credit bubble bursts into a credit crisis closed 24 ▼ -16.0 58.5 → 42.5
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 41:36
And I've mentioned this multiple times now that it's the thing I would watch most closely. While there are core elements of the current economy that look strong, there are real concerns around whether consumers can keep up with their debt payments in the months and quarters ahead.
Chamath
Chamath brush_off ×2 sentiment ▶ 44:46
I mean, I just think that there is, like, Friedberg has his pet issue, I have my pet issue, Sacks has his pet issue. You ask 100 economists, they'll have their own pet issue, housing affordability, whatever it is. The point is, we have 100 whack-a-mole problems.
LYFT 📈 The negative-unit-economics growth playbook dies with free capital closed 32 ▲ +13.1 44.0 → 57.1
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 12:33
And the problem in that model is that by giving you so much money, capital becomes your primary asset as a business. And capital needs to be the fuel that enables your assets as a business to accelerate. But as soon as capital itself becomes your primary asset, the business is doomed to fail.
SPY 🌍 Supply-chain crunch tips the US into 1970s-style stagflation next year closed 73 CONTESTED ▼ -9.8 92.4 → 82.6
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 38:35
So, inflation is still high, the jobs picture is good. We're technically in a recession.
Friedberg
Friedberg oppose ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 41:36
and things are going to go down inevitably, but I don't think that this should be deemed that there's something fundamentally negative about the US economy.
SPY 🌍 Everything is at all-time highs and the insiders are selling - de-risk closed 46 ▲ +9.3 51.5 → 60.8
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 positioning ▶ 44:46
And quite honestly, you know, in the process in November, when I started selling, I would have sold even more violently than I sold. And all I can say is I saved my ass in November of last year, looking at what's happened in the last six, eight months.
IPO 📈 Low-diligence capital breeds a fraud wave in the venture-backed cohort closed 49 ▲ +6.4 49.3 → 55.7
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 sentiment ▶ 21:37
The quality of the diligence by necessity has to go to zero.
IPO 📈 2021 is the peak of the risk-capital golden era closed 80 CONTESTED ▲ +2.5 81.2 → 83.7
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 sentiment ▶ 11:42
Tiger had huge funds. They were deploying very quickly, but there was a lot of so-called tourist money, basically money from crossover funds. Investors who are not primarily VCs came into the ecosystem over the last few years, and a lot of that was driven by sovereigns and by liquidity. So, you know, you can't forget that we had $10 trillion of liquidity pumped into the system over the last couple of years, and many billions of that found its way into the tech ecosystem.
XLE ⚡ Global conflict era begins — energy and defense outperform closed 73 ▲ +2.1 73.8 → 76.0
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 explicit_prediction 3mo horizon ▶ 44:46
But again, we're in the summer where we don't have the pressure on energy that we're going to have in October, November this year.
IPO 📈 Late-stage private marks reset 30-60% — down-round IPOs become the norm closed 85 ▲ +1.9 86.0 → 87.9
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 32:10
Because these public valuations are the exit comps for the private markets. And those valuations do eventually trickle down. And so if there is a bubble in the public markets, it will trickle down to the private markets.
QQQ 🌍 American exceptionalism soars and the economy booms in 2022 closed 7 CONTESTED ▼ +0.0 32.6 → 32.7
Jason
Jason support ×2 sentiment ▶ 47:26
which is, hey, if we have increased participation, that's great. Increases monetary velocity, increases participation in the economy. That's a possible path out.
Chamath
Chamath oppose ×2 sentiment ▶ 48:08
Even in secular decline on that trend for 25 years. So maybe on the margins, a few folks run out of stimulus and decide to go and get a job. But I don't think, again, it's kind of like, you know, when you're at the blackjack table in Vegas and somebody's clapping. I feel like all the, like what we're talking about right now is clapping as a strategy.

Episode digest

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Diarization CLEAN (Jason top talker at 79 turns; the single 'Masayoshi Son' turn at 4:30 is a genuinely played 68-second clip Jason cues up, not label bleed - nothing is attributed to it). The SoftBank $21B Vision Fund loss drove the whole first half: Chamath reversed harder on his own mega-GP thesis ('It is scalable. It's just that if you try to scale it, your returns will go to zero'), Sacks backed him from the other side ('VC is not that scalable'), and Friedberg gave the cleanest statement yet of the over-capitalization thesis - once capital itself is your primary asset the business is doomed. New this week: a contrarian bullish read that SoftBank/Masa survives (preferred-equity LP structure, 25% of Alibaba already sold down), Sacks' rate-hike-lag call for a bounce in Q3/Q4 then a significant risk of recession again next year, and Sacks' call that the Mar-a-Lago raid makes Trump nearly unbeatable for the 2024 nomination. Chamath reaffirmed his November 2021 de-risk with receipts ('I saved my ass in November of last year') and flagged energy pressure returning in October/November; Jason re-supported his us-boom-2022 call on labor-force participation and Chamath dismissed it as 'clapping as a strategy'. What got trashed: the macro segment itself - Friedberg and Chamath openly revolted against doing the recession/inflation chat again, and Chamath brushed off consumer credit as just one of '100 whack-a-mole problems' (a brush_off on Friedberg's own idea).