E90

E90: Twitter subpoenas, market overview, Pelosi's Taiwan visit & more

2022-08-05 spoken.md · speaker-labeled ▶ watch ← E89 all episodes E91 →

0
ideas born
11
ideas moved
17
captures · 4 voices
3
dissenting
+92.5
conviction added
-99.7
decay · 78 silent

Every number here comes from the conviction ledger — the same one the pool ranks on. Decay is what the 78 ideas nobody mentioned gave up this week; it applies only when an episode is processed.

Tier crossings

conviction thresholds crossed by this episode — 65 / 45 / 15 · ideas born here show where they landed. why 65 isn't always green

▲ +13.6 🏦 Fed and ECB are in a much tighter posture a year from now watch → green threshold 55.0 → 68.6 still watch — needs 2 besties on board
▲ +9.4 🌍 Holding the sanctions line pushes the pain onto emerging markets ember → watch 37.0 → 46.5
▲ +13.0 🌍 American exceptionalism soars and the economy booms in 2022 dormant → ember 13.3 → 26.3

Kill dates that landed since E89

3 hit · 0 partial · 2 miss — windows that closed after 2022-07-29 and up to 2022-08-05, auto-scored against price data and never hand-set. result · return · vs SPY

Who moved the board

each voice's push on conviction this episode, in conviction points — supports and opposes · share = % of this episode's movement

Chamath
Chamath
5 captures · 33% of movement
+36.1 / -12.0 → net +24.1
Jason
Jason
3 captures · 27% of movement
+27.9 / -12.0 → net +15.9
Friedberg
Friedberg
5 captures · 25% of movement
+36.6 → net +36.6
Sacks
Sacks
4 captures · 16% of movement
+19.5 / -3.5 → net +16.0

What got argued (11 ideas)

ordered by how hard each idea moved · quotes are verbatim from the transcript, timestamps deep-link into the episode

▼ TLT 🏦 Fed and ECB are in a much tighter posture a year from now closed 46 POD DISAGREES ▲ +13.6 55.0 → 68.6
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction 3mo horizon ▶ 24:10
The thing about that is though that I think what the PAL and what the Fed says today about rates is way less important than what the inflation data will actually show in a few months. If we still have 9% inflation three months from now, then I don't think the rate increases are done.
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 25:40
I'll say it again. I've said it now five pods in a row. We've never seen a moment in history, in American history, where when CPI has printed successively above 5%, that it got under 5% without Fed funds getting to that same number. So we should all hope that this is the exception that proves the rule, but there's an enormous amount of data that would tell you that we have to take rates to double what the equilibrium rate is thought to be right now.
▲ EWW 🌍 Nearshoring to Mexico as China's cheap-labour edge disappears closed 30 ▲ +13.1 27.4 → 40.5
Chamath
Chamath support ×1 sentiment ▶ 47:29
So, CATL, which is Tesla's biggest battery supplier, basically, you know, delayed the announcement of a factory. It's not clear whether they're going to put it into the United States. They may actually pick a city in Mexico.
▲ QQQ 🌍 American exceptionalism soars and the economy booms in 2022 closed 2 POD DISAGREES ▲ +13.0 13.3 → 26.3
Jason
Jason support ×2 sentiment 12mo horizon ▶ 15:41
Jobs, and we've talked about this every month as we watch it, finally dipped under 11 million, as Sacks predicted. You know, we're going to shed three or four hundred thousand jobs, it seems, every month, which should take this, you know, 10, 11 million number over the next year down to maybe five or six, which would still be an unbelievable number, still put us at very robust, full employment, which has been a big question.
▲ ITA 🏛️ Escalating global conflict becomes the political outlet for inflation closed 15 POD DISAGREES ▲ +12.1 19.1 → 31.3
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 27:56
There is currently an indulgence in conflict, and I think that that indulgence will cause more harm than good, particularly for these financial markets that we're commenting on right now in the months ahead.
▼ TSM 🏛️ China takes Taiwan and the silicon chokepoint forces US intervention closed 30 POD DISAGREES ▲ +10.1 27.1 → 37.2
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 explicit_prediction 6mo horizon ▶ 38:32
No, but so six months from now, when all the fruits and vegetables that have been embargoed and not sent to Taiwan and then the sand that allows them to make chips continues to now flow, do you think that they'll still be positive about the trip?
Sacks
Sacks support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 42:12
I think there is bipartisan support now to defend Taiwan. I actually think that is in the cards. I think there's a very high probability that we actually end up in a war with China.
Jason
Jason oppose ×2 sentiment ▶ 42:29
I would agree with that. But explain why you think there's going to be a war, because I think a lot of people think there's way too much at stake here for there to be a war. So there is going to be some sort of negotiated settlement in the South China Sea.
▼ EEM 🌍 Holding the sanctions line pushes the pain onto emerging markets closed 16 ▲ +9.4 37.0 → 46.5
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 27:56
And if that happens, then you could see massive civil unrest. He's been encouraging the population in Brazil to go to the streets and fight back. And there are a number of these flashpoints. And by the way, that's a massive food supplier, as well as a massive holding in EM credit portfolios around the world.
▼ EUFN 🌍 Europe eats the bill - energy crunch reopens the EU sovereign debt crisis closed 21 ▲ +8.7 65.6 → 74.3
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 explicit_prediction 3mo horizon ▶ 18:00
So if you play all of that out, you start to see an issue where by, you know, October, November of this year, we're back into the same complexity where energy is the tip of the spear around which everybody starts to debate all of the national security issues that we have to deal with, the Ukraine war, et cetera, et cetera.
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×1 sentiment ▶ 26:49
There's obviously a massive problem with getting gas to Western Europe for this winter.
▼ COF 🌍 Consumer credit bubble bursts into a credit crisis closed 23 ▲ +7.4 50.7 → 58.1
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 27:56
US consumer credit is a problem. We just had the largest number of new credit card accounts open since 2008 in Q2 from the New York Fed report yesterday.
▲ DBA 🛢️ War plus fertilizer costs cause a global crop shortfall and famine in a year closed 24 POD DISAGREES ▲ +4.1 65.9 → 70.0
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×1 sentiment ▶ 26:49
There's an emerging problem with food insecurity in Africa, South Asia, around the world.
▼ SPY 🌍 Supply-chain crunch tips the US into 1970s-style stagflation next year closed 72 POD DISAGREES ▲ +1.5 89.7 → 91.2
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 sentiment ▶ 22:27
Yeah, you're right. So the commodity prices are reflecting expectations that the economy is slowing down and maybe in a recession.
▲ QQQ 📈 Tech drawdown is in the eighth inning - the bottom is close closed 13 POD DISAGREES ▼ -0.6 0.6 → 0.0
Jason
Jason support ×2 positioning ▶ 16:57
You may have called the bottom here on the program a couple of months ago, and I started J trading three weeks ago based on our discussions here thinking we're bouncing along the bottom.
Chamath
Chamath oppose ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 18:00
So there you have it. I really don't know what's going to happen from here, but I tend to think things still have to get a lot worse to flush everything through the system.
Sacks
Sacks oppose ×2 sentiment ▶ 23:01
What it basically shows is that during protracted bear markets, you can still get substantial bear market rallies. And so during the 20002001.com crash, you had these plus 32%, plus 41%, plus 45% rallies, but even while the market as a whole was going down. And so they ended up being sort of sucker rallies. Now, I don't know if that is what's happening here, but it is a possibility.

Episode digest

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Diarization CLEAN — counts (Jason 60 / Sacks 48 / Chamath 39 / Friedberg 24), addressed-by-name and fingerprint tests all pass. New idea: Friedberg's deglobalization-is-structurally-inflationary-for-a-decade thesis, co-signed by Chamath ('that era of cheaper, faster, better is over'), coined fresh because the 2021 deglobalization-reflation and reshoring ideas both closed earlier in 2022. Chamath again reverses his own eighth-inning bottom call ('things still have to get a lot worse to flush everything through the system') while table-pounding the rates thesis for a fifth straight pod — CPI above 5% has never come down without Fed funds meeting it, so rates have to double; Sacks backs the bearish side with the sucker-rally chart and says the rate hikes are not done if inflation is still 9% in three months. Jason took the other side with real money, disclosing he started trading three weeks ago on the bouncing-along-the-bottom thesis, and stayed bullish on jobs. Pelosi's Taiwan trip lit up the China chokepoint idea: Sacks put a 'very high probability' on an actual war with China plus explicit Cold War II framing, Chamath pointed at the embargo and chip-sand flows six months out, Jason argued for a negotiated settlement instead. Not captured: the Twitter subpoena segment (personal legal grievance) and Friedberg's relayed Delaware-court read that the judge fines Musk rather than forcing the merger — the only faithful instrument is TWTR, delisted Oct 2022, which would leave the idea permanently unscoreable.