E92

E92: Adam Neumann's second act, a16z's $350M bet, housing policy, Inflation Reduction Act & more

2022-08-20 spoken.md · speaker-labeled ▶ watch ← E91 all episodes E93 →

4
ideas born
7
ideas moved
18
captures · 4 voices
2
dissenting
+237.7
conviction added
-105.8
decay · 85 silent

Every number here is replayed from score_events — the same ledger the pool ranks on. Decay is what the 85 ideas nobody mentioned gave up this week; it applies only when an episode is processed.

Tier crossings

conviction thresholds crossed by this episode — 65 / 45 / 15 · ideas born here show where they landed. why 65 isn't always green

▲ +64.5 🏛️ Blue-state permitting has broken housing construction — building migrates to light-regulation states born at watch 64.5
▲ +64.1 🏛️ The IRA kills the carbon tax — carbon markets and DAC are dead ends born at watch 64.1
▲ +58.6 🏛️ Medicare price negotiation compresses pharma pricing power and biotech returns born at watch 58.6
▲ +26.4 📈 Private capital concentrates in a few mega-GPs that take themselves public dormant ember 0.0 → 26.4
▼ +11.1 ⚡ IRA production credits flip climate-tech unit economics — capital floods in born at dormant 11.1

Who moved the board

each voice's force on conviction this episodesupports and opposes, weighted exactly as the replay applied them · share = % of this episode's movement

Chamath
Chamath
7 captures · 35% of movement · 1 idea born
+88.7 / -6.5 → net +82.2
Sacks
Sacks
4 captures · 33% of movement · 2 ideas born
+89.0 → net +89.0
Friedberg
Friedberg
3 captures · 18% of movement · 1 idea born
+48.0 → net +48.0
Jason
Jason
4 captures · 14% of movement
+28.1 / -9.6 → net +18.5

What got argued (7 ideas)

ordered by how hard each idea moved · quotes are verbatim from the transcript, timestamps deep-link into the episode

NEW ITB 🏛️ Blue-state permitting has broken housing construction — building migrates to light-regulation states closed 10 ▲ +64.5 0.0 → 64.5

California's Byzantine permitting, tenant-rights regime, transfer taxes and single-family zoning have destroyed the market for housing construction, so nobody wants to be a landlord or a developer there. Lightly-regulated red cities and states (Miami, Houston, Austin) and non-sentimental New York build freely, so construction activity, capital and residents keep migrating to them and the states that compete on regulation win household and business formation.

plays ITB ·primary DHI LEN evals 2023-08-20
Sacks
Sacks support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 40:04
But my point is just we've like so broken the free market for housing that we then come along and say, see, the free market's not working. We need more government mandates. Look, is this happening in Miami?
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 sentiment ▶ 44:20
So I think David is right, which is that there's a contortion of laws that come together, that underlie some of these decisions that then manifest in a petition like this, and etc. They all need to get cleaned up.
Jason
Jason support ×2 sentiment ▶ 45:04
So it's hypocrisy all the way up and down. And I think this is why people are largely moving to different places around the country, and it's a competition between states and cities.
NEW KRBN 🏛️ The IRA kills the carbon tax — carbon markets and DAC are dead ends closed 10 ▲ +64.1 0.0 → 64.1

By subsidising supply and green-lighting permitting instead of pricing emissions, the Inflation Reduction Act removes the political need for a US carbon tax, which now never happens. Carbon allowance markets, carbon trading and direct air capture therefore do not become the businesses the market assumed — the cost curve, not the price of a permit, is what clears emissions.

plays KRBN ·primary GRN evals 2023-08-20
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:03:02
And in that lens, I think like a whole bunch of business models got turned upside down. So I think carbon markets and carbon trading are not going to be the thing that we thought it was going to be. I think stuff like direct air capture, again, are going to be toy projects off to the side.
Jason
Jason support ×2 sentiment ▶ 1:09:20
instead of doing this carbon tax, which seems incredibly elegant, but we all know it's impossible to get consensus across hundreds of governments and locales to negotiate this, it will never happen, at least not effectively and in real time.
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 sentiment ▶ 1:11:37
So that's the set of issues that have been pushed back against the carbon tax. And it's why it's been impossible to get implemented and to really get into market.
NEW XBI 🏛️ Medicare price negotiation compresses pharma pricing power and biotech returns closed 9 ▲ +58.6 -0.0 → 58.6

The IRA's prescription-drug price cap and Medicare negotiation authority — the second-largest line in the bill — permanently lowers the price the largest buyer in the market pays, cutting pharma revenue, the R&D it funds, and the returns available to biotech investors. Sacks calls it price fixing with a downstream hit to new-drug funding; Friedberg thinks the drug-count effect is small but concedes biotech IRRs fall from ~48% to ~28%.

plays XBI ·primary IBB PFE evals 2023-08-20
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:22:34
And so I'm hopeful that this will actually provide a more effective market force in allowing the biggest customer in the market to negotiate prices and that the VCs, instead of making 48% IRR, they'll ultimately make 28% IRR on the investments that they're making in biotech startups.
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:25:52
Well, I mean, you're saying that these drug companies are going to make a lot less money. Well, obviously, that's going to have a downstream impact in the willingness to fund new drugs, new investment, new R&D.
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 sentiment ▶ 1:26:49
And, you know, they're in the midst right now of completing a massive facility. I think it's in Virginia where they'll be able to make as much insulin as is needed for the entirety of America for no more than 35 bucks a dose.
BX 📈 Private capital concentrates in a few mega-GPs that take themselves public closed 41 CONTESTED ▲ +26.4 0.0 → 26.4
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 16:57
You can make the argument that technology is as important as those three categories. And so, you know, if I think it's pretty obvious that Andreessen is trying to build a publicly ownable security that represents all things in technology. So again, I don't think that they're necessarily out to generate massive returns for LPs.
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 sentiment ▶ 17:58
Well, I mean, I think Chamath's right that their stated goal is to build like a larger institutional VC type investor. I mean, doesn't Andreessen have a portrait of JP Morgan hanging on his wall or something? I mean, they want to turn VC from being like a little craft business to something larger and more institutional.
NEW ICLN ⚡ IRA production credits flip climate-tech unit economics — capital floods in closed 20 CONTESTED ▲ +11.1 0.0 → 11.1

The IRA's production credits (e.g. $1.25/gal for clean fuel at 50% emissions reduction, plus a penny per extra percent) turn businesses that were contribution-margin-questionable into profitable ones overnight, so venture and growth capital pours into climate tech, new energy materials and clean manufacturing. The open question is whether any of it survives the subsidy being removed.

plays ICLN ·primary DAR PBW evals 2023-08-20
Jason
Jason oppose ×1 positioning ▶ 1:09:20
And the thing I've learned after the first six months of investing in carbon, because we have a syndicate now with Molly Wood, who's working with me on this climate syndicate, we couldn't find a lot of great investments that made sense that weren't asset heavy.
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:13:19
And so I personally think we are going to see a significant influx of venture capital and support for a lot of these climate tech and new energy material and manufacturing projects that otherwise may have been held back because the subsidy will kickstart.
Chamath
Chamath oppose ×2 sentiment ▶ 1:14:49
If you're not contribution margin positive today, free this bill in climate change and the bill is the only way that you get there.
URA ⚡ Energy crisis reverses green policy - nuclear and natural gas get rehabilitated closed 28 ▲ +7.7 67.2 → 74.9
Jason
Jason support ×2 sentiment ▶ 58:57
And we need to do what's in our economic interest, which really is investing in nuclear, investing in solar, batteries, wind, and even and brittuals.
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:12:26
And what's amazing is that if we actually pass this framework, which is still yet to be written around how to make permitting more seamless and efficient for these hydrocarbon projects, it will really unleash a massive torrent of both revenues back to the United States.
XLE ⚡ Global conflict era begins — energy and defense outperform closed 73 ▲ +5.4 76.0 → 81.4
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 sentiment ▶ 48:48
And one of the reasons it didn't work is because simultaneously with declaring these allies to be enemies, he basically restricted US to energy production, which is strategically undermined.
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 53:43
Global productivity absorbs that. There is very little room right now to expand that without pushing the date in which that capacity is available out until, you know, 2028 to 2030 So effectively a decade from now.

Episode digest

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Friedberg guest-moderated (Jason was the 'guestie'), which is why he outtalks everyone — labels are CLEAN, verified on content. The Inflation Reduction Act was the meat: Chamath's headline call is that the bill KILLED the carbon tax and with it carbon markets, carbon trading and direct air capture ('toy projects off to the side') — an effective reversal of the bullish carbon-pricing thesis he and Sacks coined back in E042, and coined here as a new idea since that window died 2022-07-30. Jason and Friedberg both piled on that the carbon tax is unimplementable. Chamath simultaneously turned bullish on the IRA's hydrocarbon-permitting reform ('a massive torrent of revenues back to the United States') and on monetising petrochemicals now because global capacity is maxed until 2028-2030, reinforcing the energy trade; Friedberg called an incoming flood of venture money into climate tech now that production credits flip startups profitable, with Chamath and Jason both pushing back that subsidy-dependent businesses are DOA. On the a16z/Flow $350M deal, Chamath re-affirmed the mega-GP thesis he'd walked back in E080 — a16z is building 'a publicly ownable security that represents all things in technology' and returns to LPs are beside the point. New bearish reads: Medicare drug-price negotiation compressing pharma pricing power and biotech IRRs (Sacks and Friedberg agree on the direction, disagree on the size), and Sacks' math that the IRA is deficit-INCREASING once the ACA subsidy extension is not sunset. Chamath brushed off the whole China-Russia-Saudi axis / petroyuan de-dollarization framing as 'really dramatic'.