E94

E94: NFT volume plummets, California's overreach, FBI meddling, climate change & national security

2022-09-01 spoken.md · speaker-labeled ▶ watch ← E93 all episodes E95 →

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ideas moved
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captures · 4 voices
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+209.6
conviction added
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decay · 87 silent

Every number here is replayed from score_events — the same ledger the pool ranks on. Decay is what the 87 ideas nobody mentioned gave up this week; it applies only when an episode is processed.

Tier crossings

conviction thresholds crossed by this episode — 65 / 45 / 15 · ideas born here show where they landed. why 65 isn't always green

▲ +13.5 🪙 Crypto bubble bursts in 2022 — 90% of projects blow up watch green threshold 62.8 → 76.3 still watch — green gate not met
▲ +51.8 🤖 Expensive labour pulls forward automation capex ember green threshold 19.1 → 70.8 still watch — green gate not met
▲ +21.7 🏛️ California wealth tax fails to pass — but the proposal alone drives the exodus ember watch 27.9 → 49.5
▲ +47.8 🤖 Moore's law never ended - it moved to GPUs and expert systems go next level born at watch 47.8
▲ +27.1 ⚡ Europe has to replace Russian gas — US natural gas and LNG export is the answer ember watch 18.8 → 45.9

Kill dates that landed since E93

1 hit · 0 partial · 0 miss — windows that closed after 2022-08-26 and up to 2022-09-01, auto-scored against price data and never hand-set. verdict · R · α

ideaverdictRαclosed
📈 Space sector is overfunded with one real customer HIT +30.8% +39.9 2022-08-28

Who moved the board

each voice's force on conviction this episodesupports and opposes, weighted exactly as the replay applied them · share = % of this episode's movement

Chamath
Chamath
7 captures · 37% of movement · 1 idea born
+76.7 → net +76.7
Jason
Jason
5 captures · 24% of movement
+51.3 → net +51.3
Sacks
Sacks
6 captures · 23% of movement
+48.4 → net +48.4
Friedberg
Friedberg
5 captures · 16% of movement
+33.2 → net +33.2

What got argued (11 ideas)

ordered by how hard each idea moved · quotes are verbatim from the transcript, timestamps deep-link into the episode

BOTZ 🤖 Expensive labour pulls forward automation capex closed 64 CONTESTED ▲ +51.8 19.1 → 70.8
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 15:04
Number two, businesses are going to automate. So new businesses will emerge that actually do the fast food work or do the car building work or do the dock loading and unloading work that are automated and they'll have an inherent advantage in the economy and they'll win.
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 22:32
Well, the reason is because if you raise the minimum wage too much, then these employers have a huge incentive to replace that labor with automation. And so the unintended consequence that Chamath is talking about is that these big chain restaurants are going to rely even more heavily on automation now.
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 31:05
And so to think that they're not going to just invest heavily now at the corporate level, the next franchisee of McDonald's will still pay a million dollars for franchise fee but will give will be given a bevy of robots that they rent for McDonald's and they'll have to hire half or third less.
Jason
Jason support ×3 explicit_prediction 120mo horizon ▶ 34:28
We are within, I think, five, 10 years of a lot of these jobs. We're talking tens of millions of manual labor jobs being gone. And we're going to look at this moment in time where we try to squeeze an extra 10 or 20 percent out of these employers. And then you're going to see these employers say, you know what? 24-hour-a-day robot. Yeah, it's a little bit upfront cost. I'll put it on the lease and they're just going to move to these robots. It's really very close to being game over for manual labor.
NEW NVDA 🤖 Moore's law never ended - it moved to GPUs and expert systems go next level closed 55 CONTESTED ▲ +47.8 0.0 → 47.8

Chamath's framing (credited to Adam D'Angelo): Moore's law did not end, it shifted to GPUs, because parallelization solves what CPU scaling could not. That moves the surface area of compute innovation to machine-learned models you can now brute-force - DALL-E and GPT-3 are the visible output - so 'all kinds of expert systems' become dramatically more capable, compounded by the training corpora and cloud capacity now available. The economics accrue to the accelerated-compute supply chain.

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Chamath
Chamath support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 35:49
the way that he described it to me, which is so true the minute he said it, I was like, my gosh, it's like Moore's law never ended, it just shifted to GPUs. Because the inherent lack of parallelization that CPUs have, you solve the GPUs. And so that's why the surface area of compute of innovation has actually shifted, Jason, to what you're saying, which is all of these new kinds of machine-learned models, because you can just now brute force and create such a tonnage of compute capabilities and resources to solve these problems that weren't possible before.
Jason
Jason support ×2 sentiment ▶ 37:53
You look at the data sets that are available to train. So you have the GPUs still escalating massively the amount of computer power can do. You have cloud computing at the same time, and then you have these data sets.
LNG ⚡ Europe has to replace Russian gas — US natural gas and LNG export is the answer closed 46 CONTESTED ▲ +27.1 18.8 → 45.9
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:15:22
No, it's true. If you're willing to use natural gas and fracking, America is one of the richest energy countries in the world.
Jason
Jason support ×2 sentiment ▶ 1:17:55
I think the only way we'll be able to deal with him is if he doesn't have the oil market he has. He just has too much power from that oil. And over time, that's the solution. We have to be energy independent.
CMF 🏛️ California wealth tax fails to pass — but the proposal alone drives the exodus closed 48 CONTESTED ▲ +21.7 27.9 → 49.5
Sacks
Sacks support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 32:48
This is a state in which you have a disappearing middle class. The middle class has been moving out of the state by the hundreds of thousands. In fact, last year, we had for the first time net migration out of the state.
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 explicit_prediction 60mo horizon ▶ 1:16:14
No, the great thing is we have a running A-B test, which will show whether this state central planning can work or not. And again, if we refuse to want to listen to the examples of Russia or all of these other countries that have tried this, then so be it. We will know in the next three to five years that these policies actually don't work and actually that it actually accelerates the exact hellscape that they think they're trying to avoid.
BTC-USD 🪙 Crypto bubble bursts in 2022 — 90% of projects blow up closed 59 ▲ +13.5 62.8 → 76.3
Jason
Jason support ×2 sentiment ▶ 3:55
The floor price of a board ape has now dropped by 53%. If you remember, OpenSea raised $300 million at a $13.3 billion valuation December 2021 in a round led by Kotu and Paradigm. To put that in perspective, that was nine whole months ago. My how the world has changed. Friedberg, what's your take on NFTs and this whole boondoggle?
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 sentiment ▶ 5:53
And I think the NFTs are really just one more kind of example where this beautiful narrative has formed, the digitization of art. But it is no different than any other form of assets that we tell ourselves a story around.
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 sentiment ▶ 8:48
So these things are more similar than they are different. Coachella and Burning Man, the same. NFTs and part of the art market, the same. Everybody that runs to you with why it's so different, I would just have a grain of salt and say, you don't need to be different.
RUN 🏛️ Infrastructure-bill tax credits make the captured solar incumbents rip closed 34 ▲ +11.7 23.3 → 35.0
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:14:34
The great thing about the IRA and what Chuck Schumer did is actually will be written in 10 or 15 years from now, because when we get to energy independence, when every home is resilient, the national security calculus in America changes wholeheartedly overnight.
URA ⚡ Energy crisis reverses green policy - nuclear and natural gas get rehabilitated closed 28 ▲ +10.3 71.9 → 82.1
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 sentiment ▶ 52:12
You just saw, actually, Elon just gave a talk and made news this past week from Norway where he said that we still need oil and gas. He's the leading innovator in basically moving to solar and renewables. And he said, listen, unfortunately, we got to rely on oil and gas because it's too important for civilization.
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:00:37
If you actually believe this is a cataclysmic issue, you need to basically be okay with hydrocarbons because it is the only credible bridge fuel we have to keep the world working properly. Because otherwise what David said is right, we are going to economically destroy parts of the world by trying to race towards this net zero goal. By the way, guys, I just want to take the, you know, rip the bandaid off. Net zero by 2050, 26, it is not possible. There is zero credible plans that the world has to do it.
Jason
Jason support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:04:20
And we saw obviously Germany is, you know, thinking the three remaining of their six that they were going to turn off, they're putting back on. And I think we're going to see new ground broken. And Japan came out just in the last week and said, they're going to build more nuclear power and nuclear power plants.
EUFN 🌍 Europe eats the bill - energy crunch reopens the EU sovereign debt crisis closed 21 ▲ +10.1 66.5 → 76.6
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 54:36
And one of the byproducts of the production of fertilizer is CO2, which gets added to the production of beer to make it fizzy. Well, guess what? The Germans are not only about to run out of gas, they're about to run out of beer. You think they're going to keep supporting the Ukraine War when they find out that there's no beer for Oktoberfest?
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:03:30
Which is now going to cripple many economies of that entire continent unnecessarily.
ARKK 🌍 Fed ending QE drains liquidity-dependent assets in 2022 closed 76 ▲ +6.6 74.1 → 80.7
Sacks
Sacks support ×1 sentiment ▶ 5:32
We're in the eighth month of this story, which is fill in the blank asset class crashed.
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 sentiment ▶ 5:53
And I will also say that in the last year, with the liquidity that we saw the last two years, it leached into the stock market where there's supposed to be more rational behavior that ultimately the cash flows of an asset you're buying should generate more for you than the money you're spending to buy that asset.
DBA 🛢️ War plus fertilizer costs cause a global crop shortfall and famine in a year closed 22 CONTESTED ▲ +5.7 57.7 → 63.4
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 58:25
And then obviously European farmers are having issues. And combine that with the geopolitical issues of the Ukraine crisis and the natural gas pricing being so high, one third of ammonia plants have been shut down in Europe. And they think that ammonia and fertilizer production may drop by as much as one half in Europe because of the crisis.
SPY 🌍 Supply-chain crunch tips the US into 1970s-style stagflation next year closed 73 CONTESTED ▲ +3.3 76.1 → 79.5
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 57:13
So in the province of Shishuan in China, they actually lost power because so much of the power is driven by hydroelectric plants. So streams and water flow has slowed down and stopped. As a result, there's less power. As a result, the factories are being shut down. As a result, key components for manufacturing in the computing industry and kind of mechanical goods are not being produced at the rate that they were being produced before that has a ripple effect in the supply chain, similar to what we saw in COVID.

Episode digest

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A slow-news Wednesday tape that turned into two genuinely tradeable threads. NFTs got buried - OpenSea volume down 99% off the May peak and Bored Ape floors down 53% - and all three of Jason, Friedberg and Chamath treated it as a plain bubble rather than a category, with Friedberg's narrative/collective-belief frame and Chamath's 'NFTs and the art market, the same' both feeding crypto-bubble-shakeout; Sacks brushed the whole segment off as month eight of 'fill in the blank asset class crashed'. California's triple play (2035 ICE ban, a state fast-food wage board, social-media liability for minors) produced a four-voice pile-on that fast-food minimum wages just pull forward restaurant automation, reinforcing labor-costs-force-automation-2021 hard. Two new ideas coined: Chamath's grid thesis (electricity up 46% in a decade and another 40% through 2030, ~$2T of power-line capex needed over ten years, with Newsom banning gas cars one week and asking people not to charge EVs the next as the tell), and his pre-ChatGPT call that Moore's law never ended but shifted to GPUs and 'all kinds of expert systems are going to be completely next level'. Energy realism was the through-line: Jason brought receipts on the nuclear reversal (Diablo Canyon, Germany restarting three reactors, Japan building new plants) and Chamath declared net zero by 2050 flatly impossible and hydrocarbons the only credible bridge fuel, while Friedberg - the original proposer - reinforced his own fertilizer/crop-shortfall call with a third of European ammonia plants shut and production possibly halving. Diarization is CLEAN: turn counts (Jason 125 / Sacks 82 / Chamath 63 / Friedberg 27) pass, Jason is top talker, all 27 addressed-by-name tests resolve to the right label, and fingerprints check out (Chamath: Relativity Space, Adam D'Angelo, 'when I worked at Facebook'; Jason: CafeX and portfolio talk; Sacks: California policy/legal analysis; Friedberg: science corner). Friedberg's low turn count is monologue length, not a merge - he is second on words-per-turn with 616- and 710-word turns. One minor within-turn merge at 40:35, where a Sacks turn absorbs a Jason interjection ('I didn't say that. You didn't, but some of you were saying...'); it sits in the pure-politics FBI segment and nothing was captured from it.