E71: Russia/Ukraine deep dive: escalation, risk factors, financial fallout, exit ramps & more
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Tier crossings
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Who moved the board
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What got argued (19 ideas)
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The USPTO ruling for Broad/MIT over Berkeley leaves public gene-editing companies holding licences to technology they may not actually own, and the industry responds the way software did to proprietary operating systems: an open-source CRISPR-Cas9 alternative gets adopted broadly and the patent moat stops being worth what the market pays for it. Friedberg is already running the open-source version in one of his own plant-editing companies.
if you are a company that wants to build a CRISPR-CAS9 gene editing thing, look, there's a lot of situations where a single point edit or a broad edit can have a meaningful change in your health. So these are businesses that should exist. You didn't know what to do because if you license the IP from the wrong person, you get sued. And many companies now are trying to license both sets of patents.
it turns out that if this ruling is to be believed, they actually have a license to a technology that they may not actually have a license to. ... many more companies, many more businesses are embracing that open-source alternative. I don't think that we see this turning out to be any different than what we saw with the proliferation of Linux in computer software
The developed world (US, Europe, Canada, Japan) can print and subsidise its way through the sanctions shock, but the food, energy and capital-cost consequences land on emerging markets in Southeast Asia, Asia and Africa, which have no fiscal buffer. Chamath's framing: sanctions are the right call and EM assets are where the real cost of the economic war gets paid.
what's going to be very, very difficult is the impact that this has on emerging markets in Southeast Asia, Asia, Africa could be really, really deleterious for some amount of time. ... I think that that is actually really the risk that I think holding the line on these sanctions really does. It pushes the risk towards EM countries.
Writing Russian assets to zero and cutting Russian entities out of the payments system propagates through swaps, derivatives and trade-finance exposures nobody can see; the shock to the financial system has not been realised and shows up when books settle at month-end. Friedberg's call, table-pounded four times; Chamath calls it a complete red herring because the equity value at risk is only tens of billions.
I think this is a complete red herring. ... the global total market cap of all of these businesses is meaningfully different than the amount of total capex that these guys represent. And in as much as you are going to take the equity values of certain of these companies to zero, it's in the grand scheme of things, not that much equity value.
Forget about the equity value. Just think about the economic repercussions where there is leveraged positions and swaps and derivatives in place, counterparty swaps in place with a lot of these companies that are now going to default. And we're not going to know that till the end of this month when everything has to settle and no one's going to be able to make their payments. ... The shock to the system, I don't think, has yet been realized. And I think we'll know at the end of this month when books close what things actually do to businesses, to swap agreements, to trades
he said he's going to raise by 25 basis points in March. Everybody knew that, right? So we took the 50 basis pointer off the table. But then he was very clear that they were going to be data driven. ... I think there could be a real possibility that Powell becomes very accommodative. ... he and Biden and the entire administration come together with Europe and everybody else and say, get the money printer back going
By the way, Russia and the Ukraine combined account for roughly 25% of global wheat exports. ... That wheat goes to Egypt and from Egypt it goes throughout Africa. And there's a lot of nations and a lot of people that depend on that food supply. And that food supply is now cut off.
Look at Germany as an example. Germany undid 40 years of policy. They had consistently been under investing relative to their GDP in the military, and they made an explicit commitment to basically just ramp that up back above 2%. They've also made commitments around their energy independence.
Yeah. I mean, look, I think it's so obvious now to everybody that we need to be energy independent, that it was insane for us to throw away that energy independence. We've restricted it. I think that if there was a bill introduced, I think it's being talked about to repeal all the restrictions on fracking, it would pass the Senate 7525, meaning all the Republicans would vote for and half the Democrats would vote for.
including what we talked about a few weeks ago, multiple sclerosis, given that we now have a strong belief that if you can get rid of the EBV, the Epstein-Barr virus, from your body, you can wipe that out. So CAR-T can in the long run be harnessed not just for cancer, but autoimmunity
We have woken up from a delusion that we can intertwine our economies with rich and nuclear powered dictators in communist countries, both China and Russia. And now I think the great decoupling and the great independence is upon us with us moving semiconductors back on shore, going nuclear.
If you look back over the last 30 or 40 or 50 years and you look at every single period of when there has been a recession, what's interesting to note is that it's not always been the case that the price of energy has risen by 50 percent in a recession. But it is always the case that when energy prices spike by 50 percent, we enter a recession. We will contract as an economy.
I actually think we're in the part of the cycle here where we're starting to ignore the good news. And we're so negative, and we're so emotionally wrapped up in everything that people forget that actually the world tends to keep moving forward. ... But I think that there's a lot of good news out there.
Today, corn, I think, is trading at $7.60 a bushel. That hasn't happened, guys. I can't tell you in how long. This was a commodity that was trading at $3.50 a few months ago. ... The trickle-down effect, as we're already seeing in California, or San Francisco, with the average price per gallon of gas at over $5. The trickle-down effect on purchasing behavior, on businesses defaulting because suddenly their counterparties dry up.
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LABEL ANOMALY — E71's diarization is a three-way ROTATION, not a swap: label 'David Sacks' = actual JASON (he delivers the whole cold open — 'The rain man, David Sacks, with his power flannel on today' — plugs the All-In Summit and signs off 'I'm Jake out... love you besties'), label 'Jason Calacanis' = actual FRIEDBERG (answers when Jason says 'One of the things you have to realize, Friedberg' with 'Jake, I totally get it'; owns the wheat/corn/food thread, the CAR-T science corner, and 'I have at least one company in plant gene editing where we leverage this open-sourced version'), label 'David Friedberg' = actual SACKS (answers 'maybe Sacks, you can start us off', says 'I think what Friedberg is saying is...', responds to 'You're such a pacifist, Sacks' and to 'when you called me a pacifist', runs the Mearsheimer realist thread, and tells Jason 'There are no writers for this stuff, J Cal'). Chamath's label is correct. Rotation-corrected turn counts are Jason 120 / Chamath 72 / Sacks 65 / Friedberg 64 — which is the normal shape; the raw labels put Sacks on top at 120, the tell. Every attribution below is content-derived. On the content: this is a war episode with one genuinely rich financial-fallout segment, and the money debate is Friedberg vs Chamath on whether zeroing Russian assets breaks something invisible. Friedberg pounds it four separate times — Lukoil wiped from $60B with 65-70% held by European and US pension and mutual funds, then 'leveraged positions and swaps and derivatives in place, counterparty swaps... that are now going to default. And we're not going to know that till the end of this month when everything has to settle' — the slinky/dynamical-system framing, new idea sanctions-counterparty-contagion-2022 (bearish EUFN, 3mo on his own 'end of this month' clock). Chamath calls it 'a complete red herring' twice and sizes the counter: the non-Russian-held economic value is 'a few tens of billions of dollars', not trillions. Chamath is the loudest voice in the episode and he is loudly wrong in one specific place: on 2022 policy. He reads Powell's testimony as dovish ('we took the 50 basis pointer off the table... they were going to be data driven') and predicts 'a real possibility that Powell becomes very accommodative' and that Biden and the administration 'get the money printer back going' — a REVERSAL on his own E051 fed-ecb-tighter-next-year-2021 call, two weeks before the Fed started a 425bp year, and he backs it with $5T of coordinated BOJ/BoC/ECB/Fed printing and 'five, six, seven trillion dollars of subsidies', which also lands as an oppose on Sacks' E061 qe-end-liquidity-drain. Same segment gives a SECOND reversal: asked point-blank whether the printing is inflationary he answers 'No. And the other thing, in fact, it's the opposite' and says core commodity prices get subsidised DOWN — a reversal on stimulus-inflation-real-2021 (bullish DBC) on the literal last day of its window, and his second consecutive reversal on it after E064. Friedberg took the other side of that with receipts on the same idea — corn at $7.60 from $3.50, California gas over $5 — so the DBC ledger closes with the proposer bailing and the sceptic carrying it. Chamath's recession leg is table-pounding and better founded: 'it is always the case that when energy prices spike by 50 percent, we enter a recession. We will contract as an economy' with a 50-year chart on screen, which supports supply-chain-stagflation-recession-2021 and directly opposes Jason's E061 us-boom-2022 ('we are now teetering towards a recession'); note he refuses the word stagflation itself — 'I don't even know what stagflation is... pseudo intellectual kind of gobbledygook speak'. He also endorses debt to '150, 250, 300 percent of GDP' as morally correct (debt-service-trap-monetize-debt-2021, bullish GLD) and coins the EM-blowback thesis: developed economies print through it, 'it pushes the risk towards EM countries' (new idea, bearish EEM). Two voices reinforce E061's global-conflict-energy-defense, the central idea for this episode: Sacks on energy independence and a fracking-deregulation bill that 'would pass the Senate 7525', Chamath on Germany undoing 40 years of policy to ramp military spend back above 2% of GDP plus energy-independence commitments. Friedberg, the idea's proposer, never restates it — no reversal on any of E061's six. Jason supplies the reshoring take ('the great decoupling and the great independence is upon us with us moving semiconductors back on shore, going nuclear') and an offhand pro-nuclear lean via Germany's shutdown. Disclosed positioning: Chamath deployed $228M into a solar deal plus $45M into an unannounced one — 'in times of uncertainty, you actually want to be deploying' — while admitting he has stopped opening his Bloomberg terminal and has lost 1-3% eight weeks running. Private-market marks reset on the record: Jason says 'late stage madness is gone. It's over', Sacks says '100 times ARR is over... deals get done at 60 to 80 times' — both onto his own risk-capital-golden-era-peaks-2021. Chamath alone stays constructive on the tape via his own tech-drawdown-eighth-inning call, reading a strong payrolls print with no wage-inflation tick as evidence 'we're starting to ignore the good news'. Taiwan splits them: Jason treats 'the eventuality of China going into the South China Sea and taking over Taiwan' as given (support on china-taiwan-silicon-chokepoint-2021), Sacks argues the opposite — Xi is watching Ukraine and Taiwan should Israelize into 'a credible deterrent' (oppose). Sacks' multipolar read lands on us-china-clash-narrative-decade-2022. Notable non-event given the setup: nobody said gold, bitcoin, crypto, nickel, potash or SWIFT-drives-de-dollarisation once; the closest thing to a reserve-currency take is Friedberg's near-term dollar bullishness, 'in the context of a global economy collapsing, the dollar will always be the safe haven', which reads as an oppose on us-fiscal-crunch-dollar-doubt-2021 even though the same breath asks how much deficit we can run 'without the dollar collapsing'. Science corner closes with two real captures: CAR-T approvals plus a sub-$5,000 cost curve as 'a multi-decade new therapeutic modality' (gene-editing-platform-validated-2021), the EBV/MS autoimmunity extension (ebv-causes-ms-therapeutic-target-2022), and the USPTO Broad-over-Berkeley ruling, where Friedberg's Linux analogy — public companies may hold 'a license to a technology that they may not actually have a license to' and open source routes around it — becomes new idea crispr-ip-open-sourced-2022 (bearish NTLA), with Chamath concurring on the licensing chaos.