E71

E71: Russia/Ukraine deep dive: escalation, risk factors, financial fallout, exit ramps & more

2022-03-05 spoken.md · speaker-labeled ▶ watch ← E70 all episodes E72 →

3
ideas born
19
ideas moved
27
captures · 4 voices
6
dissenting
+160.2
conviction added
-90.9
decay · 93 silent

Every number here is replayed from score_events — the same ledger the pool ranks on. Decay is what the 93 ideas nobody mentioned gave up this week; it applies only when an episode is processed.

Tier crossings

conviction thresholds crossed by this episode — 65 / 45 / 15 · ideas born here show where they landed. why 65 isn't always green

▲ +6.7 🤖 In-vivo CRISPR proof point starts programmable biology watch green threshold 58.3 → 65.0 still ember — green gate not met
▲ +50.4 🤖 CRISPR patent chaos gets routed around by open source born at watch 50.4
▲ +6.9 ⚡ Nuclear is the fastest path to carbon neutral — uranium is being cornered ember watch 42.4 → 49.3
▲ +5.6 ⚡ Solar wins alternative energy — nuclear and wind lose ember watch 42.9 → 48.5
▲ +47.7 🌍 Holding the sanctions line pushes the pain onto emerging markets born at watch 47.7
▲ +18.5 🛢️ Global drought turns self-sufficient countries into food importers dormant ember 8.6 → 27.1
▲ +23.5 🌍 Sanctions blow a hidden hole in leveraged counterparty books born at ember 23.5
▼ -22.4 🏦 Fed and ECB are in a much tighter posture a year from now ember dormant 37.3 → 14.9

Who moved the board

each voice's force on conviction this episodesupports and opposes, weighted exactly as the replay applied them · share = % of this episode's movement

Chamath
Chamath
12 captures · 46% of movement · 1 idea born
+76.4 / -78.6 → net -2.1
Friedberg
Friedberg
8 captures · 40% of movement · 2 ideas born
+137.3 → net +137.3
Jason
Jason
4 captures · 7% of movement
+25.3 → net +25.3
Sacks
Sacks
3 captures · 7% of movement
+11.2 / -11.6 → net -0.4

What got argued (19 ideas)

ordered by how hard each idea moved · quotes are verbatim from the transcript, timestamps deep-link into the episode

NEW NTLA 🤖 CRISPR patent chaos gets routed around by open source closed 8 ▲ +50.4 0.0 → 50.4

The USPTO ruling for Broad/MIT over Berkeley leaves public gene-editing companies holding licences to technology they may not actually own, and the industry responds the way software did to proprietary operating systems: an open-source CRISPR-Cas9 alternative gets adopted broadly and the patent moat stops being worth what the market pays for it. Friedberg is already running the open-source version in one of his own plant-editing companies.

plays NTLA ·primary ARKG CRSP evals 2023-03-05
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 sentiment ▶ 1:25:59
if you are a company that wants to build a CRISPR-CAS9 gene editing thing, look, there's a lot of situations where a single point edit or a broad edit can have a meaningful change in your health. So these are businesses that should exist. You didn't know what to do because if you license the IP from the wrong person, you get sued. And many companies now are trying to license both sets of patents.
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:27:55
it turns out that if this ruling is to be believed, they actually have a license to a technology that they may not actually have a license to. ... many more companies, many more businesses are embracing that open-source alternative. I don't think that we see this turning out to be any different than what we saw with the proliferation of Linux in computer software
NEW EEM 🌍 Holding the sanctions line pushes the pain onto emerging markets closed 16 ▲ +47.7 0.0 → 47.7

The developed world (US, Europe, Canada, Japan) can print and subsidise its way through the sanctions shock, but the food, energy and capital-cost consequences land on emerging markets in Southeast Asia, Asia and Africa, which have no fiscal buffer. Chamath's framing: sanctions are the right call and EM assets are where the real cost of the economic war gets paid.

plays EEM ·primary EMB VWO evals 2023-03-05
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:16:08
what's going to be very, very difficult is the impact that this has on emerging markets in Southeast Asia, Asia, Africa could be really, really deleterious for some amount of time. ... I think that that is actually really the risk that I think holding the line on these sanctions really does. It pushes the risk towards EM countries.
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×1 sentiment ▶ 1:16:32
It's going to cause a humanitarian problem. It's really friggin sad. And it's, you know, whatever progress has been made could be unwound.
NEW EUFN 🌍 Sanctions blow a hidden hole in leveraged counterparty books closed 15 CONTESTED ▲ +23.5 0.0 → 23.5

Writing Russian assets to zero and cutting Russian entities out of the payments system propagates through swaps, derivatives and trade-finance exposures nobody can see; the shock to the financial system has not been realised and shows up when books settle at month-end. Friedberg's call, table-pounded four times; Chamath calls it a complete red herring because the equity value at risk is only tens of billions.

plays EUFN ·primary HYG XLF evals 2022-06-05
Chamath
Chamath oppose ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 17:28
I think this is a complete red herring. ... the global total market cap of all of these businesses is meaningfully different than the amount of total capex that these guys represent. And in as much as you are going to take the equity values of certain of these companies to zero, it's in the grand scheme of things, not that much equity value.
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×3 explicit_prediction 1mo horizon ▶ 17:56
Forget about the equity value. Just think about the economic repercussions where there is leveraged positions and swaps and derivatives in place, counterparty swaps in place with a lot of these companies that are now going to default. And we're not going to know that till the end of this month when everything has to settle and no one's going to be able to make their payments. ... The shock to the system, I don't think, has yet been realized. And I think we'll know at the end of this month when books close what things actually do to businesses, to swap agreements, to trades
TLT 🏦 Fed and ECB are in a much tighter posture a year from now closed 45 CONTESTED ▼ -22.4 37.3 → 14.9
Chamath
Chamath reversal ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:10:31
he said he's going to raise by 25 basis points in March. Everybody knew that, right? So we took the 50 basis pointer off the table. But then he was very clear that they were going to be data driven. ... I think there could be a real possibility that Powell becomes very accommodative. ... he and Biden and the entire administration come together with Europe and everybody else and say, get the money printer back going
DBA 🛢️ Global drought turns self-sufficient countries into food importers closed 29 ▲ +18.5 8.6 → 27.1
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 18:48
By the way, Russia and the Ukraine combined account for roughly 25% of global wheat exports. ... That wheat goes to Egypt and from Egypt it goes throughout Africa. And there's a lot of nations and a lot of people that depend on that food supply. And that food supply is now cut off.
QQQ 🌍 American exceptionalism soars and the economy booms in 2022 closed 7 CONTESTED ▼ -15.3 38.4 → 23.1
Chamath
Chamath oppose ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 21:30
Look, David and I have been the ones that said the risk is to a recession. We are now teetering towards a recession.
XLE ⚡ Global conflict era begins — energy and defense outperform closed 73 ▲ +14.2 48.5 → 62.7
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 32:39
Look at Germany as an example. Germany undid 40 years of policy. They had consistently been under investing relative to their GDP in the military, and they made an explicit commitment to basically just ramp that up back above 2%. They've also made commitments around their energy independence.
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 44:51
Yeah. I mean, look, I think it's so obvious now to everybody that we need to be energy independent, that it was insane for us to throw away that energy independence. We've restricted it. I think that if there was a bill introduced, I think it's being talked about to repeal all the restrictions on fracking, it would pass the Senate 7525, meaning all the Republicans would vote for and half the Democrats would vote for.
ARKK 🌍 Fed ending QE drains liquidity-dependent assets in 2022 closed 76 ▼ -12.8 62.4 → 49.6
Chamath
Chamath oppose ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 20:39
if these shocks are really, really, really meaningful globally, I think you're going to see the Federal Reserve and the ECB and the Bank of Canada and the Bank of Japan step in in a very coordinated way to provide liquidity to these markets.
ATRA 📈 EBV-causes-MS proof turns Epstein-Barr into a funded therapeutic target closed 6 CONTESTED ▲ +10.9 15.9 → 26.8
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:23:38
including what we talked about a few weeks ago, multiple sclerosis, given that we now have a strong belief that if you can get rid of the EBV, the Epstein-Barr virus, from your body, you can wipe that out. So CAR-T can in the long run be harnessed not just for cancer, but autoimmunity
PAVE 🌍 Resilience beats efficiency - supply chains get de-centralized and reshored closed 63 CONTESTED ▲ +10.4 45.0 → 55.5
Jason
Jason support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 44:05
We have woken up from a delusion that we can intertwine our economies with rich and nuclear powered dictators in communist countries, both China and Russia. And now I think the great decoupling and the great independence is upon us with us moving semiconductors back on shore, going nuclear.
GLD 🌍 Debt-service trap: the Fed can't really fight inflation, so we monetize and debase closed 44 CONTESTED ▲ +9.6 50.0 → 59.6
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:17:15
And so if we end up running massive deficits, and now we're at, you know, 150, 250, 300 percent of GDP, I think that, you know, morally that's that is the right thing to do.
URA ⚡ Nuclear is the fastest path to carbon neutral — uranium is being cornered closed 36 CONTESTED ▲ +6.9 42.4 → 49.3
Jason
Jason support ×1 sentiment ▶ 45:32
And the Germans fell for it and turned off nuclear. And now all of a sudden, they're dependent on Russia.
NTLA 🤖 In-vivo CRISPR proof point starts programmable biology closed 32 ▲ +6.7 58.3 → 65.0
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 explicit_prediction 120mo horizon ▶ 1:23:38
I think that over the long run, we can get the cost of cell therapies below 5,000 bucks. ... And this is kind of the beginning of what will likely be a multi-decade kind of new therapeutic modality that's, you know, accelerating.
SPY 🌍 Supply-chain crunch tips the US into 1970s-style stagflation next year closed 73 CONTESTED ▲ +6.4 78.8 → 85.2
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 21:30
If you look back over the last 30 or 40 or 50 years and you look at every single period of when there has been a recession, what's interesting to note is that it's not always been the case that the price of energy has risen by 50 percent in a recession. But it is always the case that when energy prices spike by 50 percent, we enter a recession. We will contract as an economy.
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:14:39
Yeah, look, we're talking about I'm talking about capital and energy and food. And some combination of those things are going to cause some serious deleterious effects on people and on markets.
TAN ⚡ Solar wins alternative energy — nuclear and wind lose closed 31 CONTESTED ▲ +5.6 42.9 → 48.5
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 positioning ▶ 1:05:49
in times of uncertainty, you actually want to be deploying. So, you know, I announced what was it last week? I think it was a solar deal. The solar deal. You know, I put $228 million into this thing.
TSM 🏛️ China takes Taiwan and the silicon chokepoint forces US intervention closed 30 CONTESTED ▼ -5.2 57.6 → 52.4
Jason
Jason support ×2 sentiment ▶ 1:01:15
we need to build an alliance to deal with the eventuality of China going into the South China Sea and taking over Taiwan.
Sacks
Sacks oppose ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:02:36
we can all support that because we know that Xi is watching. ... if Taiwan really wants to be independent, every adult there needs to learn how to fight and they need to have weapons.
QQQ 📈 Tech drawdown is in the eighth inning - the bottom is close closed 13 CONTESTED ▲ +3.1 75.5 → 78.6
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:07:42
I actually think we're in the part of the cycle here where we're starting to ignore the good news. And we're so negative, and we're so emotionally wrapped up in everything that people forget that actually the world tends to keep moving forward. ... But I think that there's a lot of good news out there.
IPO 📈 2021 is the peak of the risk-capital golden era closed 80 CONTESTED ▲ +2.9 88.9 → 91.8
Jason
Jason support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:06:59
deals are taking longer to close, people are starting to do diligence again, and people are discussing what the right valuation for this early stage startup is, which is good. ... late stage madness is gone. It's over.
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:07:32
Yeah, I mean, I think 100 times ARR is over, but we no one really knows where it's landing. So I've seen some deals get done at 60 to 80 times, but no one really knows where it should be.
DBC 🌍 Stimulus trillions show up as real inflation (and CPI has been understating it) closed 41 CONTESTED ▼ -1.0 42.1 → 41.1
Chamath
Chamath reversal ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 21:30
No. And the other thing, in fact, it's the opposite. ... What I can tell you is I think that prices are too high in certain core commodities and goods. I think what's going to happen is we are going to find a way to subsidize those prices coming down.
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:11:56
Today, corn, I think, is trading at $7.60 a bushel. That hasn't happened, guys. I can't tell you in how long. This was a commodity that was trading at $3.50 a few months ago. ... The trickle-down effect, as we're already seeing in California, or San Francisco, with the average price per gallon of gas at over $5. The trickle-down effect on purchasing behavior, on businesses defaulting because suddenly their counterparties dry up.

Episode digest

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LABEL ANOMALY — E71's diarization is a three-way ROTATION, not a swap: label 'David Sacks' = actual JASON (he delivers the whole cold open — 'The rain man, David Sacks, with his power flannel on today' — plugs the All-In Summit and signs off 'I'm Jake out... love you besties'), label 'Jason Calacanis' = actual FRIEDBERG (answers when Jason says 'One of the things you have to realize, Friedberg' with 'Jake, I totally get it'; owns the wheat/corn/food thread, the CAR-T science corner, and 'I have at least one company in plant gene editing where we leverage this open-sourced version'), label 'David Friedberg' = actual SACKS (answers 'maybe Sacks, you can start us off', says 'I think what Friedberg is saying is...', responds to 'You're such a pacifist, Sacks' and to 'when you called me a pacifist', runs the Mearsheimer realist thread, and tells Jason 'There are no writers for this stuff, J Cal'). Chamath's label is correct. Rotation-corrected turn counts are Jason 120 / Chamath 72 / Sacks 65 / Friedberg 64 — which is the normal shape; the raw labels put Sacks on top at 120, the tell. Every attribution below is content-derived. On the content: this is a war episode with one genuinely rich financial-fallout segment, and the money debate is Friedberg vs Chamath on whether zeroing Russian assets breaks something invisible. Friedberg pounds it four separate times — Lukoil wiped from $60B with 65-70% held by European and US pension and mutual funds, then 'leveraged positions and swaps and derivatives in place, counterparty swaps... that are now going to default. And we're not going to know that till the end of this month when everything has to settle' — the slinky/dynamical-system framing, new idea sanctions-counterparty-contagion-2022 (bearish EUFN, 3mo on his own 'end of this month' clock). Chamath calls it 'a complete red herring' twice and sizes the counter: the non-Russian-held economic value is 'a few tens of billions of dollars', not trillions. Chamath is the loudest voice in the episode and he is loudly wrong in one specific place: on 2022 policy. He reads Powell's testimony as dovish ('we took the 50 basis pointer off the table... they were going to be data driven') and predicts 'a real possibility that Powell becomes very accommodative' and that Biden and the administration 'get the money printer back going' — a REVERSAL on his own E051 fed-ecb-tighter-next-year-2021 call, two weeks before the Fed started a 425bp year, and he backs it with $5T of coordinated BOJ/BoC/ECB/Fed printing and 'five, six, seven trillion dollars of subsidies', which also lands as an oppose on Sacks' E061 qe-end-liquidity-drain. Same segment gives a SECOND reversal: asked point-blank whether the printing is inflationary he answers 'No. And the other thing, in fact, it's the opposite' and says core commodity prices get subsidised DOWN — a reversal on stimulus-inflation-real-2021 (bullish DBC) on the literal last day of its window, and his second consecutive reversal on it after E064. Friedberg took the other side of that with receipts on the same idea — corn at $7.60 from $3.50, California gas over $5 — so the DBC ledger closes with the proposer bailing and the sceptic carrying it. Chamath's recession leg is table-pounding and better founded: 'it is always the case that when energy prices spike by 50 percent, we enter a recession. We will contract as an economy' with a 50-year chart on screen, which supports supply-chain-stagflation-recession-2021 and directly opposes Jason's E061 us-boom-2022 ('we are now teetering towards a recession'); note he refuses the word stagflation itself — 'I don't even know what stagflation is... pseudo intellectual kind of gobbledygook speak'. He also endorses debt to '150, 250, 300 percent of GDP' as morally correct (debt-service-trap-monetize-debt-2021, bullish GLD) and coins the EM-blowback thesis: developed economies print through it, 'it pushes the risk towards EM countries' (new idea, bearish EEM). Two voices reinforce E061's global-conflict-energy-defense, the central idea for this episode: Sacks on energy independence and a fracking-deregulation bill that 'would pass the Senate 7525', Chamath on Germany undoing 40 years of policy to ramp military spend back above 2% of GDP plus energy-independence commitments. Friedberg, the idea's proposer, never restates it — no reversal on any of E061's six. Jason supplies the reshoring take ('the great decoupling and the great independence is upon us with us moving semiconductors back on shore, going nuclear') and an offhand pro-nuclear lean via Germany's shutdown. Disclosed positioning: Chamath deployed $228M into a solar deal plus $45M into an unannounced one — 'in times of uncertainty, you actually want to be deploying' — while admitting he has stopped opening his Bloomberg terminal and has lost 1-3% eight weeks running. Private-market marks reset on the record: Jason says 'late stage madness is gone. It's over', Sacks says '100 times ARR is over... deals get done at 60 to 80 times' — both onto his own risk-capital-golden-era-peaks-2021. Chamath alone stays constructive on the tape via his own tech-drawdown-eighth-inning call, reading a strong payrolls print with no wage-inflation tick as evidence 'we're starting to ignore the good news'. Taiwan splits them: Jason treats 'the eventuality of China going into the South China Sea and taking over Taiwan' as given (support on china-taiwan-silicon-chokepoint-2021), Sacks argues the opposite — Xi is watching Ukraine and Taiwan should Israelize into 'a credible deterrent' (oppose). Sacks' multipolar read lands on us-china-clash-narrative-decade-2022. Notable non-event given the setup: nobody said gold, bitcoin, crypto, nickel, potash or SWIFT-drives-de-dollarisation once; the closest thing to a reserve-currency take is Friedberg's near-term dollar bullishness, 'in the context of a global economy collapsing, the dollar will always be the safe haven', which reads as an oppose on us-fiscal-crunch-dollar-doubt-2021 even though the same breath asks how much deficit we can run 'without the dollar collapsing'. Science corner closes with two real captures: CAR-T approvals plus a sub-$5,000 cost curve as 'a multi-decade new therapeutic modality' (gene-editing-platform-validated-2021), the EBV/MS autoimmunity extension (ebv-causes-ms-therapeutic-target-2022), and the USPTO Broad-over-Berkeley ruling, where Friedberg's Linux analogy — public companies may hold 'a license to a technology that they may not actually have a license to' and open source routes around it — becomes new idea crispr-ip-open-sourced-2022 (bearish NTLA), with Chamath concurring on the licensing chaos.