E70

E70: EMERGENCY POD! Russia invades Ukraine: Reactions, Putin's ambition, Biden's response & more

2022-02-24 spoken.md · speaker-labeled ▶ watch ← E68 all episodes E71 →

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ideas born
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ideas moved
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captures · 4 voices
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dissenting
+120.0
conviction added
-107.3
decay · 99 silent

Every number here is replayed from score_events — the same ledger the pool ranks on. Decay is what the 99 ideas nobody mentioned gave up this week; it applies only when an episode is processed.

Tier crossings

conviction thresholds crossed by this episode — 65 / 45 / 15 · ideas born here show where they landed. why 65 isn't always green

▲ +26.8 📈 Tech drawdown is in the eighth inning - the bottom is close watch green threshold 48.7 → 75.5 still dormant — green gate not met
▼ -11.1 🌍 Fed ending QE drains liquidity-dependent assets in 2022 green threshold watch 73.5 → 62.4
▲ +34.0 ⚡ Solar wins alternative energy — nuclear and wind lose dormant ember 8.9 → 42.9
▼ -11.3 🏦 Fed and ECB are in a much tighter posture a year from now watch ember 48.6 → 37.3
▲ +31.0 📈 Pandemic pull-forward reverses — COVID winners take an estimate double-whammy born at ember 31.0
▲ +25.0 ⚡ Europe has to replace Russian gas — US natural gas and LNG export is the answer born at ember 25.0

Kill dates that landed since E68

2 hit · 1 partial · 2 miss — windows that closed after 2022-02-19 and up to 2022-02-24, auto-scored against price data and never hand-set. verdict · R · α

ideaverdictRαclosed
🏛️ Australia's news code spreads and platforms end up paying publishers MISS -4.4% -18.1 2022-02-20
🪙 Bitcoin bid as the escape hatch from dollar debasement MISS -31.5% -45.2 2022-02-20
🤖 Bottom-up SaaS is the dominant mode of business software HIT +23.7% +10.0 2022-02-20
🌍 Conditioned fear keeps behaviour suppressed after vaccination PARTIAL +11.6% -2.1 2022-02-20
🌍 Deglobalization reflates the world and shocks rates HIT +37.2% +23.6 2022-02-20

Who moved the board

each voice's force on conviction this episodesupports and opposes, weighted exactly as the replay applied them · share = % of this episode's movement

Sacks
Sacks
4 captures · 34% of movement · 2 ideas born
+78.5 → net +78.5
Friedberg
Friedberg
8 captures · 30% of movement
+35.8 / -31.7 → net +4.1
Chamath
Chamath
5 captures · 18% of movement
+19.9 / -22.3 → net -2.4
Jason
Jason
3 captures · 17% of movement
+39.8 → net +39.8

What got argued (10 ideas)

ordered by how hard each idea moved · quotes are verbatim from the transcript, timestamps deep-link into the episode

TAN ⚡ Solar wins alternative energy — nuclear and wind lose closed 31 CONTESTED ▲ +34.0 8.9 → 42.9
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 17:52
The real solution is to actually go fully alternative and to go to renewable energy because you can today deploy solar vastly more aggressively in the United States. Look, at the end of the day, the thing that is completely abundant and has the best implications all around is solar. ... And I think our real solution is solar. It's practical. It can be done today and it can be done right now.
Sacks
Sacks support ×1 sentiment ▶ 32:46
Long term, I think solar is the answer, but I think that's a long term strategy.
Friedberg
Friedberg oppose ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 47:28
Just to give you one counterpoint to your statement about energy independence arising potentially from solar, to generate a gigawatt of capacity and industrial scale solar farm would take about 7,500 acres. ... So the actual amortized cost over the lifetime of that solar installation works out to something on the order of 15 cents a kilowatt hour. Whereas if you do it on an industrial scale, it works out to about 3 cents a kilowatt hour.
Jason
Jason support ×3 sentiment ▶ 50:57
$2.5 trillion to put solar on every home. The end. Like, we're $30 trillion in debt. 10% of our debt would make us energy independent forever. The plan gets better when you do math.
NEW PTON 📈 Pandemic pull-forward reverses — COVID winners take an estimate double-whammy closed 23 ▲ +31.0 0.0 → 31.0

Sacks' call: the 2020-21 surge in e-commerce and stay-at-home names was one-time pull-forward growth, not a new run rate, so those companies were being comped on growth rates that were never sustainable. On top of the multiple compression already delivered, forecasts now get revised down — a double whammy — so the COVID-beneficiary cohort keeps de-rating even as the broad market cheapens. Peloton is his worked example: everyone who needs one already bought one.

plays PTON ·primary ETSY ZM evals 2023-02-24
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:00:37
people are realizing now that the burst of activity, especially like in e-commerce type companies that happened during the pandemic, that was not ongoing sustainable growth. It was one time growth ... it was pull forward growth, meaning that growth in the future will be lower because you pulled forward all of that revenue ... So what happened is not only have multiples gone down, but these companies were being comped based on growth rates that were unsustainable. And so now they're all revising their forecasts down. So it's a double whammy.
QQQ 📈 Tech drawdown is in the eighth inning - the bottom is close closed 13 CONTESTED ▲ +26.8 48.7 → 75.5
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 54:03
think that the bottom in the S&P is around $3,800 and that what we still need to do is this one last flush and that last flush will really touch the big cap companies, but that growth is largely done sort of getting taken to the woodshed. So in general, I think that so generally buyers of growth now, sellers of value and waiting for this one last, you know, 400 point move down the S&P and I think people think it's roughly the bottom.
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 sentiment ▶ 55:05
And as of I would say last week, it was right at about the historical trend, and now it's starting to go under the historical trends. So from a bargain hunting standpoint, you'd have to say that this is the first time that we've been below the average for a few years. ... But if this conflict can stay localized and the economy doesn't go into a recession because of everything that's happened, then yes, this might be bargain hunting.
Jason
Jason support ×2 sentiment ▶ 58:44
It feels to me like huge setup right now. People have capitulated. The markets gotten demolished. I just think these companies are still great. Like Zoom is still a great company.
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 sentiment ▶ 1:00:16
Things are relatively cheap relative to a time horizon that Sacks pointed out and Gertzner pointed out. So things are relatively cheap. Find businesses you like to own and buy them cheap.
NEW LNG ⚡ Europe has to replace Russian gas — US natural gas and LNG export is the answer closed 46 CONTESTED ▲ +25.0 0.0 → 25.0

The invasion exposes Europe's total dependence on Russian natural gas (and the US importing ~7% of its own gas from Russia), so the fix Sacks argues for is repealing the fracking/pipeline restrictions, liquefying US gas and exporting it to Europe — which puts a structural demand bid under US natural gas and US liquefaction/export capacity. Chamath takes the other side on the merits: six or seven years of capital underinvestment plus NatGas producers refusing incremental capex mean no meaningful US supply response arrives on a useful timescale, so the buildout does not happen and solar is the real answer.

plays LNG ·primary UNG XOP evals 2023-02-24
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 17:42
The op-ed made the point that we could be investing in liquefying natural gas and exporting it to Europe to create more energy independence, and that would remove their dependence on Putin. ... I don't think we should be turning our backs on the enormous reserves of natural gas that we have here in this country. ... we could be energy independent for free right now if we were just to repeal some of these executive orders
Chamath
Chamath oppose ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 17:52
The problem with energy independence is it takes too long. And we went through a massive capital under investment cycle over the last six or seven years. ... And so when you look at these NatGas companies, every single one to a name has basically said, we are not going to put any incremental capital into US domestic NatGas or shale or even offshore.
ITA 🏛️ Escalating global conflict becomes the political outlet for inflation closed 12 CONTESTED ▲ +11.7 22.1 → 33.8
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 11:14
This is a big part of what I tried to point out at our prediction show at the end of last year. If a country is happy, if the economy is growing, if there isn't significant risk of inflation, no one wants to go to war. When those are not the case, there's a tendency to say we got to do something. ... This is not a surprise that Putin did this. This has been a long time coming.
TLT 🏦 Fed and ECB are in a much tighter posture a year from now closed 45 CONTESTED ▼ -11.3 48.6 → 37.3
Friedberg
Friedberg oppose ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 57:17
if you looked at the trading prices of bonds, you probably would have assumed a 95% chance of a half point rate hike in March. And as of today, my guess is that the probability of that is below 5%. ... And so this is not a great time to do a half point rate hike. And so it's almost certain at this point that they're not going to do a half point rate hike.
ARKK 🌍 Fed ending QE drains liquidity-dependent assets in 2022 closed 76 ▼ -11.1 73.5 → 62.4
Friedberg
Friedberg oppose ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 57:59
they're assuming that under the conditions of great uncertainty like this, the Fed cannot act as aggressively as they were planning to act ... it would continue to kind of keep prices somewhat inflated and continue to support the market with cheaper capital and liquidity
URA ⚡ Nuclear is the fastest path to carbon neutral — uranium is being cornered closed 36 CONTESTED ▲ +10.4 32.0 → 42.4
Jason
Jason support ×2 sentiment ▶ 19:19
Well, and also you could have Germany could start turning back on nuclear power plants if they could get their citizens to pick nuclear over war. And that seems like a pretty easy choice.
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 22:46
I would immediately deregulate nuclear and make nuclear fission reactors a mainstay of energy production here in the US ... It is estimated that nuclear power production should drop to about four cents, but could be as low as one cent per kilowatt hour if operated at scale with perfect efficiency ... but also where economic advantage lies in investing in nuclear infrastructure ... I love nuclear.
Chamath
Chamath oppose ×3 sentiment ▶ 45:41
I think it's never going to happen. ... I think America's America's ability to scale nuclear, I think, is a very difficult proposition. ... But it still leaves the policy and the societal level challenges that I think are very difficult to overcome.
XLE ⚡ Global conflict era begins — energy and defense outperform closed 73 ▲ +1.8 46.7 → 48.5
Chamath
Chamath reversal ×2 sentiment ▶ 12:57
I have to be honest with you, when I was thinking about the odds of this, just from a financial perspective, and whether I should be doing something different or putting something on, I thought that there was zero chance that this would happen. Literally, I put it as close to zero as possible because I thought in 2022, it just didn't seem like this could be possible. And here we are, and it seems like it is.
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×3 positioning ▶ 22:46
So the reason I bought energy stocks in December, and the reason I made this point was threefold. One is because we have, as a result of this general consensus view, underinvested in energy infrastructure. And the demands that are going to come out of the ex-COVID economic growth cycle cannot be met with the current energy infrastructure. And you are going to see energy prices continue to climb, coupled with the fact that when war or conflict arises, typically you see stockpiling and you see trade routes being shut down and you see energy prices climb. ... even some of the energy companies that are going to benefit greatly from this commodity cycle we're kind of in the middle of
IPO 📈 2021 is the peak of the risk-capital golden era closed 80 CONTESTED ▲ +1.7 87.3 → 88.9
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 58:53
I think an opportunity to move away from speculative behavior into real kind of cherry picking, productive, cash generating businesses ... I think the whole time frame around like speculative stuff is kind of wiped out. I think that that era is gone now.

Episode digest

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Emergency pod recorded the morning of the invasion (Jason time-stamps it in-episode: "As we're discussing this on a Thursday, February 24th"), full four-host roster, Chamath calling in from Europe and dropping off at ~56:35 for a ski-week vacation so the last twelve minutes are three-handed. The single most valuable capture is a split verdict on E061's `global-conflict-energy-defense`: Friedberg reveals disclosed positioning — "the reason I bought energy stocks in December" — on a threefold thesis (consensus-driven underinvestment in energy infrastructure, ex-COVID demand the current infrastructure cannot meet, and conflict causing stockpiling plus shut trade routes), and closes the pod still recommending "even some of the energy companies that are going to benefit greatly from this commodity cycle." Chamath, the proposer of that exact prediction seven weeks earlier (the one that named "maybe something in the Ukraine"), instead confesses he assigned it zero odds and put nothing on: "whether I should be doing something different or putting something on, I thought that there was zero chance that this would happen" — logged as a REVERSAL, the proposer walking back his own thesis on the day it triggered. Friedberg also collects on his other conflict call, E055's `global-conflict-inflation-outlet-2021` (inflation is what makes governments reach for war), explicitly claiming credit — "This is a big part of what I tried to point out at our prediction show at the end of last year" — and adding "This is not a surprise that Putin did this. This has been a long time coming." The energy-independence segment (17:00-52:00) is the pod's real substance and it splits cleanly: Chamath table-pounds solar ("the real solution is solar. It's practical. It can be done today"), costing a national residential build at $2.5T with Jason doing the math live (85M homes x $30K, versus a $5T grid replacement) and Chamath countering that Australia does it for $5K a home; Friedberg is the sole solar bear on unit economics (7,500 acres per GW industrial, 15c/kWh residential versus 3c industrial) and instead pounds the table for nuclear with receipts — deregulate fission, China's 140 stations at ~$3B each dropping their industrial power from 9c toward sub-5c, "I love nuclear" — while Chamath opposes nuclear hard and repeatedly ("it's never going to happen", "it's not a light switch, Jason", "these are 20-year decisions"). Sacks is the natgas voice: cites the Ferguson/Griffin WSJ op-ed that sanctions don't work and energy independence does, wants US gas liquefied and exported to Europe to break its dependence on Putin, and says "we could be energy independent for free right now if we were just to repeal some of these executive orders" — coined here as a sub-idea of the E061 energy call, with Chamath as the on-the-merits opponent (six or seven years of capex underinvestment, and every NatGas name has said it will not fund incremental domestic supply). Market section: all four are constructive on the day the S&P bottomed and reversed. Chamath relays smart money at S&P 3,800 with "one last flush" that hits big caps while "growth is largely done sort of getting taken to the woodshed" and says buy growth, sell value; Sacks brings Brad Gerstner's internet/SaaS multiple charts now printing below the historical trend line ("this might be bargain hunting", conditional on the war staying localized); Jason calls it a "huge setup" with capitulation; Friedberg says forget timing the bottom, things are cheap, buy and hold — all four logged on `tech-drawdown-eighth-inning-2022`. Friedberg's other big call is the Fed: bonds priced a 95% chance of a 50bp March hike two weeks ago and "as of today" below 5%, so "it's almost certain" the half-point hike does not happen and cheaper capital keeps supporting the tape — an oppose on both `fed-ecb-tighter-next-year-2021` and E061's `qe-end-liquidity-drain` (the Fed did in fact hike only 25bp in March, so this one is likely to score). Sacks separately opens a new bearish thesis on the pandemic winners: pull-forward growth means the COVID cohort was comped on unsustainable rates, so estimate cuts land on top of the multiple compression — "a double whammy" — with Peloton the worked example; Friedberg adds the speculative era "is gone now", which lands on Sacks' own `risk-capital-golden-era-peaks-2021`. Notable absences for a war pod: nobody made a de-dollarisation, gold or crypto argument (Sacks only notes as fact that Biden did NOT cut Russia from SWIFT or sanction Putin personally, and reads the market rally off it; Chamath notes Russia rebuilt its dollar reserves as pre-planning, not as dollar weakness), and nobody touched wheat, food or ag despite Ukraine being a grain exporter — so `us-fiscal-crunch-dollar-doubt-2021`, `debt-service-trap-monetize-debt-2021` and `global-drought-food-import-2021` got no mentions. `bitcoin-reserve-currency-hedge-2021` and `deglobalization-reflation-2021` both closed 2022-02-20, four days before this pod, so nothing here could attach to them anyway. Labels verified clean: Jason does the ep-70 cold open and the sign-off naming the other three ("For the dictator Chamath Palihapitiya, the Sultan of Science, David Friedberg, and the Rain Man himself, David Sacks, I'm Jay Cal"), Sacks runs the Ukraine-realist/NATO-red-line thread, Friedberg opens turns with "Can I just ask Sacks one question" and does the numbers pull-ups, Chamath does the bourgeois-sweater bit and dials in from Europe. Rejected as untradeable geopolitics: whether NATO intervenes, whether Putin takes Kyiv or installs a puppet like Georgia 2008, the 1914-versus-1938 analogy, Bill Burns' 2008 red-line memo, Friedberg's cyber-war prediction (no instrument), Trump/Pompeo praising Putin, the media/war-porn segment, Chamath's KYC-blacklisted-LP anecdote, and the whole Vendetta Corner bit.