E64

E64: Antitrust standards & enforcement, tech repricing, lab leak obfuscation, E63 reaction

2022-01-22 spoken.md · speaker-labeled ▶ watch ← E63 all episodes E65 →

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ideas born
17
ideas moved
24
captures · 4 voices
3
dissenting
+182.9
conviction added
-102.2
decay · 97 silent

Every number here is replayed from score_events — the same ledger the pool ranks on. Decay is what the 97 ideas nobody mentioned gave up this week; it applies only when an episode is processed.

Tier crossings

conviction thresholds crossed by this episode — 65 / 45 / 15 · ideas born here show where they landed. why 65 isn't always green

▲ +25.1 🌍 Fed ending QE drains liquidity-dependent assets in 2022 watch green threshold 53.9 → 79.0 still watch — green gate not met
▲ +8.7 🪙 Crypto bubble bursts in 2022 — 90% of projects blow up watch green threshold 61.6 → 70.2 still watch — green gate not met
▲ +5.2 📈 Rising rates de-rate high-multiple growth stocks watch green threshold 60.5 → 65.8 still watch — green gate not met
▲ +28.4 🏛️ The four big-tech monopolies get broken up by the end of the decade ember watch 27.0 → 55.5
▲ +13.4 🌍 American exceptionalism soars and the economy booms in 2022 ember watch 35.7 → 49.1
▲ +35.2 📈 Tech drawdown is in the eighth inning - the bottom is close born at ember 35.2
▼ -51.9 🌍 Stimulus trillions show up as real inflation (and CPI has been understating it) green threshold ember 86.6 → 34.6
▲ +14.7 🌍 Conditioned fear keeps behaviour suppressed after vaccination dormant ember 12.7 → 27.4
▲ +12.8 🏛️ Big tech gets regulated as common carriers via a left-right deal dormant ember 11.7 → 24.5
▲ +10.5 🤖 SaaS pricing power expands as category winners entrench dormant ember 9.3 → 19.8
▲ +12.6 🤖 Big Tech eats Hollywood — the studios' end state dormant ember 6.7 → 19.4
▲ +11.7 📈 Content is commoditized — streaming margins compress dormant ember 6.7 → 18.4

Kill dates that landed since E63

0 hit · 0 partial · 1 miss — windows that closed after 2022-01-15 and up to 2022-01-22, auto-scored against price data and never hand-set. verdict · R · α

ideaverdictRαclosed
📈 Boosters become routine — recurring revenue for the mRNA vaccine makers MISS -28.5% -37.0 2022-01-16

Who moved the board

each voice's force on conviction this episodesupports and opposes, weighted exactly as the replay applied them · share = % of this episode's movement

Chamath
Chamath
10 captures · 56% of movement · 1 idea born
+122.6 / -51.9 → net +70.6
Sacks
Sacks
8 captures · 27% of movement
+82.0 → net +82.0
Friedberg
Friedberg
5 captures · 13% of movement
+29.5 / -11.1 → net +18.4
Jason
Jason
1 capture · 4% of movement
+11.9 → net +11.9

What got argued (17 ideas)

ordered by how hard each idea moved · quotes are verbatim from the transcript, timestamps deep-link into the episode

DBC 🌍 Stimulus trillions show up as real inflation (and CPI has been understating it) closed 41 CONTESTED ▼ -51.9 86.6 → 34.6
Chamath
Chamath reversal ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 44:31
But David is saying something really important. The risk, in my opinion, is not of runaway inflation anymore. And the reason was what happened this weekend was incredibly important.
NEW QQQ 📈 Tech drawdown is in the eighth inning - the bottom is close closed 13 CONTESTED ▲ +35.2 0.0 → 35.2

The high-multiple tech de-rating is nearly finished: growth names are already off 50-80% and are oversold. Big tech still has 10-15% to give up, and once the generals crack the pain is over. Big tech is effectively the index and has not drawn down more than 15-25% in twenty years, and the enormous cash on the sidelines buys the bottom within weeks, the way it did in March 2020.

plays QQQ ·primary ARKK SPY evals 2023-01-22
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 55:51
We're in the eighth, in my opinion, I think we're in the eighth inning of the tech drawdown. So if you're a high growth tech company, you've been smashed for three months in a row. ... When you see this thing really get cracked is when those folks trade down another 10% or 15%. And then I think we're kind of through most of the pain.
GOOGL 🏛️ The four big-tech monopolies get broken up by the end of the decade closed 37 CONTESTED ▲ +28.4 27.0 → 55.5
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 24:27
if it's not about consumer harm and it's about decreasing competition in this broadly, I would argue, subjective sense, then what's scary is that there are going to be decisions made by interpreters of what is and isn't competitive. And ultimately, if they're not trying to keep in mind the best interest of the consumer, then it is, in fact, going to cause consumer harm at some point. ... And so I would be nervous about that subjectivity and the slippery slope it enables.
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 26:17
In 2019, I wrote in my annual letter, there's a section called the tightening of the regulatory noose, meaning it was a framework for how to basically dismantle big tech. And element number one of that was a changing regulatory landscape. And it's really incredible to see it in front of our eyes. ... We got a bill that just left judiciary, right? That was effectively voted across the aisle. That's now going to go to the floor of the Senate ... So I think some version of that is going to pass. She's going to go and scrutinize these companies.
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 38:57
I think this administration is creating tremendous business uncertainty. I think the reaction of a lot of big tech companies is going to be to stop doing M&A until the situation gets clarified because they just don't know. You know, targets or target companies are going to want to have huge breakup fees. And it's just going to have a chilling effect on the market for M&A.
ARKK 🌍 Fed ending QE drains liquidity-dependent assets in 2022 closed 76 ▲ +25.1 53.9 → 79.0
Sacks
Sacks support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 42:53
you had the Fed and the federal government pump a 10 trillion of liquidity into the market over the past two years because of Covid. Now they're starting to pull that back. And there was, I think, a general asset inflation across asset classes. Certain types of assets clearly got more inflated than others.
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 sentiment ▶ 43:51
you're right that we pumped in $10 trillion, but over the last three weeks, and really over the last two and a half months, we have actually eviscerated $10 trillion of value as well. So if you want to measure it, we put $10 trillion of excess capital in, but we've now destroyed $10 trillion of equity.
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 48:01
the reality is, over the last couple of years, we've had trillions of dollars that have flowed into these markets for free. And those trillions of dollars have created lots of mini asset bubbles. ... And regardless, the money is coming out of the markets. The money is going to come out one way or another. And as it starts to come out, these little bubbles are the first that are going to pop.
DIS 📈 Top-tier IP collections still win — you can't displace Disney closed 36 CONTESTED ▲ +23.0 18.3 → 41.3
Jason
Jason support ×2 sentiment ▶ 1:10:07
These archives are going to be super valuable. And I don't think we even know how to value these archives yet because if you look at the Marvel archive or the Star Wars archive, these things just keep printing money year after year.
Sacks
Sacks support ×1 sentiment ▶ 1:10:36
When you own the franchise, it has value. Disney has shown that. You own the best franchise.
JETS 🌍 Conditioned fear keeps behaviour suppressed after vaccination closed 0 CONTESTED ▲ +14.7 12.7 → 27.4
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 sentiment ▶ 51:02
We could live with this variant of Covid, Omicron. ... But in large swaths of the country, we're not choosing to live with it. We're at each other's throats about these vaccine mandates, these other restrictions and school closures.
QQQ 🌍 American exceptionalism soars and the economy booms in 2022 closed 7 CONTESTED ▲ +13.4 35.7 → 49.1
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 sentiment ▶ 50:11
the economy underlying, there are lots of great businesses that are growing and doing well, and there's stability that's emerging
FXI 🌍 China's crackdown spirals its own economy down closed 32 CONTESTED ▲ +13.0 18.4 → 31.4
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 sentiment ▶ 44:31
So this weekend, China cut interest rates. ... Well, if you are cutting rates, it is because you are worried about the other problem, which is that the economy is basically turned over and you need to become more accommodating.
META 🏛️ Big tech gets regulated as common carriers via a left-right deal closed 30 CONTESTED ▲ +12.8 11.7 → 24.5
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 sentiment ▶ 28:56
these big tech companies, the FAANGs, they have way too much power in the marketplace. They are now gatekeepers over the internet. They control all these powerful platforms. And broadly speaking, it is time, I think, to basically have some limits on those powers, make sure they don't abuse it. I think she's also right that the traditional standard of consumer harm doesn't really capture that sort of concept of market power for these free ad-based services
AMZN 🤖 Big Tech eats Hollywood — the studios' end state closed 10 CONTESTED ▲ +12.6 6.7 → 19.4
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 27:52
I still think this Microsoft Activision deal on balance gets done, because if you take the absolute values away from it, the reality is that it's an adjacent part of Microsoft's core business, and there's nothing fundamentally monopolistic about what would happen if you let Microsoft and Activision come together.
SPY 🌍 Supply-chain crunch tips the US into 1970s-style stagflation next year closed 73 CONTESTED ▲ +12.1 45.9 → 57.9
Friedberg
Friedberg oppose ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 48:01
And that doesn't necessarily mean that the economy is at risk. It means that there are valuation bubbles that are going to burst. They're going to decline. And no interest rate policy is going to change that
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 52:46
So we are in a really complicated moment. And I think the risk is that there is an overreaction to incomplete data and we plunge the US economy into a recession. And I just think that that has to be really thoughtfully measured. And guys, we've seen this in 2018-19.
Sacks
Sacks support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 54:18
we are dealing with balancing the risks of inflation against the risk of recession. I think that is fundamental. And right now, all the statements have been so hawkish that the markets have been just flowing red now for months. And I think the balance of risk is starting to make recession possible in a way that didn't seem possible two, three months ago.
WBD 📈 Content is commoditized — streaming margins compress closed 27 ▲ +11.7 6.7 → 18.4
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:01:20
when you have more competition, the consumer does win. It contains prices. It just doesn't contain asset inflation, which does impact the shareholders of these companies.
IGV 🤖 SaaS pricing power expands as category winners entrench closed 15 CONTESTED ▲ +10.5 9.3 → 19.8
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 positioning ▶ 1:05:47
look, I invest in B2B subscription businesses. I hate B2C subscription businesses. And the reason is just the churn rates. ... your cohorts are growing 20% every year instead of shrinking 50%
BTC-USD 🪙 Crypto bubble bursts in 2022 — 90% of projects blow up closed 59 ▲ +8.7 61.6 → 70.2
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 56:14
If you're in other areas like value, you've had a pretty good rally. If you're in crypto, you're just starting to get smoked now.
TLT 🏦 Inflation may not show up — breakevens are rolling over closed 19 CONTESTED ▲ +8.3 36.5 → 44.9
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 46:54
the leading indicators all around the world tell us that their economies are weak, then inflation may have actually been much more transitory than we thought
ARKK 📈 Rising rates de-rate high-multiple growth stocks closed 65 CONTESTED ▲ +5.2 60.5 → 65.8
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 sentiment ▶ 42:53
We've seen a huge correction in growth stocks. We've seen a huge correction in crypto. Basically, anything long dated as the fear of interest rates increasing has gone up, they've massively corrected.
cg:ethereum 🪙 NFTs are a durable new asset class, not a liquidity bubble closed 0 CONTESTED ▼ +0.0 0.0 → 0.0
Friedberg
Friedberg oppose ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 48:01
Lots of little new markets have emerged. NFTs, random cryptocurrencies that don't actually do anything. The collectibles market, the art market. Peloton.

Episode digest

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E64 aired 2022-01-22, the weekend of the worst Nasdaq week since March 2020 and the day after NFLX fell ~22% on guidance, and the market content is unusually dense and unusually scorable. LABEL ANOMALY (severe): Friedberg has ZERO labelled turns in this file despite being on the show, named in Jason's intro and addressed by name six times ('So what do we think, Friedberg, about this sort of new rubric?' 24:04; 'Friedberg, any thoughts?' 54:10; 'Let's get Friedberg in on the science' 1:19:32) - the E025-class merge, with every Friedberg turn absorbed into the Jason Calacanis label (161 turns vs Chamath 72 / Sacks 59). All five Friedberg captures were re-attributed from content (ex-Google receipts at 36:36 and 1:04:56, the balance-sheet/accumulated-deficit register at 1:02:02, the vegan reference at 5:25, and Chamath's 'to your point, Friedberg' at 26:17 pointing back to the 24:27 turn). ANTITRUST: Chamath table-pounded his own 2019 'tightening of the regulatory noose' letter, said the Judiciary bill will pass the Senate in some form and that Lina Khan will scrutinise the FAANGs, then extended it to stock-based comp accounting and acqui-hire talent hoarding; Sacks split the difference (her observations are right, her remedies are unbounded and politicised - the FAANGs are gatekeepers and it is time to limit their powers, but a reduce-future-competition test has no bright line) and made the concrete forward call that big tech simply stops doing M&A until the rules clarify; Friedberg attacked the subjectivity and the slippery slope. Chamath called Microsoft/Activision to close anyway ('an adjacent part of Microsoft's core business'), and both Chamath and Sacks noted Microsoft has skated antitrust for a decade because enterprise software doesn't capture the public imagination. TECH REPRICING - the big split: Sacks reinforced his own E61 QE-end prediction with receipts ($10T pumped, now pulled, growth and crypto massively corrected, 'every day I keep seeing more red') and escalated to recession being 'possible in a way that didn't seem possible two, three months ago'; Friedberg gave the purest statement of the same liquidity mechanism (free trillions built mini-bubbles in NFTs, junk coins, collectibles, art and Peloton; the money comes out and those pop first) but explicitly refused the recession leg - the economy is productivity, not valuation, there are 11m open jobs, 'no interest rate policy is going to change that'. Chamath went the other way on tech: 'we're in the eighth inning of the tech drawdown', high-growth off 50-80%, oversold everywhere except big tech, big tech needs another 10-15% (the Gavin Baker 'shoot the generals' frame) and then the pain is over - and he argued a >25-30% big-tech drawdown will never happen because big tech IS the index and the sidelines cash buys the bottom in a week like March 2020. That is a new idea (tech-drawdown-eighth-inning-2022) with no live home. TWO PROPOSER REVERSALS, both by Chamath: (1) on stimulus-inflation-real-2021, his own flagship 19-mention call, six weeks before its kill date - 'the risk, in my opinion, is not of runaway inflation anymore', because China cut rates into a rolled-over economy and the Fed will overcorrect into a recession, so inflation 'may have actually been much more transitory than we thought' (which also puts him back on his own inflation-fades/duration idea that he had himself reversed at E53); (2) on netflix-content-dominance-billion-subs-2021, which he coined at E51 at strength 3 - Netflix is now 'the best example of consumer surplus at scale', 'the only real winner is the consumer' and 'any individual company gets into a real tough spot', with the earnings release as his receipt. Sacks piled on Netflix from the churn side (2.5%/month means rebuilding the user base every three-four years, greenfield runs out, margins get pressurised) and Friedberg called it saturated - the E51 billion-subs thesis got trashed by all three of its own supporters in one episode. DISCLOSED POSITIONING: Sacks - 'I invest in B2B subscription businesses. I hate B2C subscription businesses', B2B cohorts grow 20%/yr vs B2C shrinking 50%. Historical-only disclosures (Chamath selling Slack at the March-2020 lows, Jason 'that's when I sold') were not captured. Also reinforced: content commoditisation (competition contains prices but not asset inflation, 'which does impact the shareholders'), premium IP archives (Jason on the Marvel/Star Wars archives, Sacks on owning the franchise), crypto-bubble-shakeout (Chamath: crypto is 'just starting to get smoked now'), and post-vaccine-fear-drag - notable because Sacks OPPOSED that thesis at E23 and here concedes the restrictions persist even though Omicron is 'basically a cold'. The lab-leak/Fauci segment (1:11-1:31) and the E63 human-rights apologies (0:00-21:14) carry no tradeable content and were deliberately left uncaptured, as were the school-closure learning-loss costs (no instrument) and the Tesla/union EV-subsidy aside.