E58

E58: November's CPI, preparing for a downturn, macro outlook, Better.com's botched layoffs

2021-12-11 spoken.md · speaker-labeled ▶ watch ← E57 all episodes E59 →

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ideas born
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ideas moved
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captures · 4 voices
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dissenting
+105.7
conviction added
-92.7
decay · 92 silent

Every number here is replayed from score_events — the same ledger the pool ranks on. Decay is what the 92 ideas nobody mentioned gave up this week; it applies only when an episode is processed.

Tier crossings

conviction thresholds crossed by this episode — 65 / 45 / 15 · ideas born here show where they landed. why 65 isn't always green

▲ +16.4 🌍 America's accidental UBI creates a national labor shortage and throttles growth watch green threshold 59.8 → 76.2 still dormant — green gate not met
▲ +13.5 📈 2021 is the peak of the risk-capital golden era watch green threshold 62.5 → 76.0 still watch — green gate not met
▲ +5.4 📈 The SPAC boom's back end breaks into the 2022 shot clock watch green threshold 63.0 → 68.4 still watch — green gate not met
▲ +11.3 🪙 Bitcoin bid as the escape hatch from dollar debasement ember watch 41.9 → 53.3
▼ -6.3 🌍 Supply-chain crunch tips the US into 1970s-style stagflation next year watch ember 48.3 → 42.0
▲ +37.2 🌍 Conforming-loan expansion inflates home equity into a HELOC-fuelled bust born at ember 37.2

Who moved the board

each voice's force on conviction this episodesupports and opposes, weighted exactly as the replay applied them · share = % of this episode's movement

Chamath
Chamath
8 captures · 32% of movement · 1 idea born
+58.9 / -10.1 → net +48.9
Friedberg
Friedberg
8 captures · 26% of movement
+46.6 / -11.1 → net +35.5
Sacks
Sacks
8 captures · 24% of movement
+30.4 / -22.8 → net +7.6
Jason
Jason
5 captures · 17% of movement
+25.9 / -12.2 → net +13.7

What got argued (16 ideas)

ordered by how hard each idea moved · quotes are verbatim from the transcript, timestamps deep-link into the episode

NEW ITB 🌍 Conforming-loan expansion inflates home equity into a HELOC-fuelled bust closed 6 CONTESTED ▲ +37.2 0.0 → 37.2

Pushing the conforming-mortgage ceiling toward a million dollars marks up the paper net worth of the 80-90% of American household wealth that sits in a home by roughly 4-5%. Households extract that phantom equity through HELOCs and spend or speculate it, so the housing-linked leverage builds until it breaks in a 1929-style bust five or six years out.

plays ITB ·primary RKT XHB evals 2024-12-11
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 explicit_prediction 60mo horizon ▶ 20:25
if you all of a sudden, you know, push up the upper bound on what a conforming mortgage is to a million dollars, that effectively means, and it's roughly about 20 percent, that effectively means that you're moving people's net worth up by about four or five percent. ... they spend it or they invest it, or they, you know, it could be a real disaster scenario in five or six years. By the way, no, no, this is more like 1929 kind of thing.
JETS 🌍 Delta is not the last one — more variants this fall, a tough winter closed 0 CONTESTED ▼ -23.3 38.3 → 15.0
Jason
Jason oppose ×1 sentiment ▶ 48:43
They have record cases right now, but deaths and they're also done great with the vaccine
Friedberg
Friedberg oppose ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 49:09
there could be this thing happening where Omicron is the you know, the the air bomb that gets dropped, clears the room and then it's all over
IWM 🌍 America's accidental UBI creates a national labor shortage and throttles growth closed 13 CONTESTED ▲ +16.4 59.8 → 76.2
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 13:58
And then the fourth is you have all these boomers with an enormous amount of savings, 30, 40, 50 trillion dollars, who are pulling forward their retirement and also subsidizing their kids. You put it all together, there's less of an incentive to be in the job force unless you pay higher wages.
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 32:23
you also have the supply component, which is we don't have enough goods and services. Why? Because we've been, you know, passing out these STEMI checks that disincentivize people from working.
Jason
Jason support ×1 sentiment ▶ 49:34
I'm seeing the salaries going up faster than inflation, people are raising people's salaries, you know, in double digits to try to get them to come to these jobs.
IPO 📈 2021 is the peak of the risk-capital golden era closed 80 CONTESTED ▲ +13.5 62.5 → 76.0
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 53:34
He took SoftBank money. SoftBank, as you guys, as we all know, creates a very strong incentive and capitalizes businesses to go after kind of ultra, perhaps unnatural growth. ... the loss of jobs is the cost of capital with these ultra high growth incentives that are kind of being structurally built into the fundraising rounds in these later stage deals lately.
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 sentiment ▶ 55:29
The root cause of why this is here, as far as I can tell, is not a company that doesn't have consumer demand. It's a company that may have been mismanaged for growth to meet the consumer demand because of too much money. ... maybe we overgrew because we were drunk on free money. And now we have to realize that we actually have too much capacity for the demand that actually exists.
Sacks
Sacks support ×3 positioning ▶ 1:01:06
listen, we may be going into a very different environment, and I think the company is worth the valuation we got, but if you just look at the public comps, valuations are down 30%, 40%. ... So if we were to take more money into the round at the same valuation, that's kind of a good deal for the company, and it gives us more runway, gives us more insurance.
TLT 🏦 Fed and ECB are in a much tighter posture a year from now closed 45 CONTESTED ▲ +11.5 29.0 → 40.5
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction 12mo horizon ▶ 42:08
And here's another thing is the Fed is now saying that they're projecting two to three rate increases next year. So let's call that 75 basis points, multiply that by the close to 30 trillion of government debt
BOTZ 🤖 Expensive labour pulls forward automation capex closed 64 CONTESTED ▲ +11.4 29.5 → 40.9
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 44:22
So the low-cost model of consumerism in the United States, which has been a stronghold for our economy for 100 years at this point, may be coming to an end, or it will accelerate the implementation of automation across that sector of the economy.
cg:bitcoin 🪙 Bitcoin bid as the escape hatch from dollar debasement closed 48 ▲ +11.3 41.9 → 53.3
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×1 sentiment ▶ 35:12
And this is where Bitcoin feels to a lot of people like a great equalizer. And yeah, I'm not a huge, I'm not a Bitcoin maximalist or anything. But I think that's where the appeal arises
ARKK 📈 Rising rates de-rate high-multiple growth stocks closed 65 CONTESTED ▲ +9.4 75.8 → 85.2
Jason
Jason support ×2 sentiment ▶ 23:02
We had the price sales ratio of Zoom, in other words, the value of the enterprise versus their actual sales was at 123 It's now at 14.7. Peloton was another one of those at 23, now down to 3x, down 87%. ... it seems like there was a mispricing of certain equities
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 24:20
all of a sudden inflation changes and the front end of the yield curve goes, and all of a sudden all these assets, when yields go up, prices go down ... That's called de-grossing. ... And we've been going through a very painful process of this de-grossing. Hedge funds are doing it in droves.
Sacks
Sacks support ×3 explicit_prediction 12mo horizon ▶ 27:20
You went from that environment to all of a sudden an environment of now we're expecting to have rate increases, and that's going to suck the liquidity out of the system.
GLD 🌍 Debt-service trap: the Fed can't really fight inflation, so we monetize and debase closed 44 CONTESTED ▲ +8.6 69.8 → 78.4
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 17:37
Now, the problem is if you then raise rates and you can't borrow that money, and suddenly people have to start to pay that debt down without economic growth having occurred, the whole system goes bankrupt. So the challenge that the Fed has is how do we raise rates without triggering an economic recession?
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 42:08
It is a breaking of the bank. They're talking about minting trillion dollar coins. ... So you're looking at 150 billion of incremental debt service costs, right? So multiply that over 10 years, that's 1.5 trillion over 10 years. That's your build back better right there.
TLT 🏦 Inflation may not show up — breakevens are rolling over closed 19 CONTESTED ▲ +7.0 25.4 → 32.4
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×1 sentiment ▶ 46:51
I want to remind you about the deflationary effect of technology, and it is really being felt in the economy.
SPY 🌍 Supply-chain crunch tips the US into 1970s-style stagflation next year closed 73 CONTESTED ▼ -6.3 48.3 → 42.0
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 21:27
the purchasing power that arises when the inflation is higher than what those things are going up at indicates economic recession underlying that inflationary bubble ... have we pumped enough money into trigger economic growth that we can come to balance where the growth can outpace the inflation? And we're not there.
Sacks
Sacks oppose ×2 explicit_prediction 12mo horizon ▶ 45:27
I actually think there's a lot of strength in the economy right now. It's not all negative. ... I actually think there'd be a massive relief rally, and the economy would take off like a rocket next year. ... And we could let things have more of a soft landing, as opposed to the sudden austerity, which is whipsawing the economy.
IPO 📈 The SPAC boom's back end breaks into the 2022 shot clock closed 51 ▲ +5.4 63.0 → 68.4
Jason
Jason support ×2 sentiment ▶ 1:09:58
BuzzFeed IPO was a complete disaster. 80% of people are already in their spack. BuzzFeed is circling the drain.
SPY 🏛️ Biden's 39.6% capital gains hike does not become law closed 60 ▼ -3.2 60.5 → 57.3
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 34:05
We just loaded the, we put the bullet in the chamber and loaded it from Manchin. This bill is not going to happen, David, with the $3 trillion deficit increase.
Sacks
Sacks oppose ×1 sentiment ▶ 34:12
I hope not. I mean, but the point is that, look, if people like us don't speak up and say, this is a reckless, foolish, crazy. Pump the brakes. Yes, exactly. Then it could happen.
DBC 🌍 Stimulus trillions show up as real inflation (and CPI has been understating it) closed 41 CONTESTED ▲ +3.1 93.1 → 96.2
Sacks
Sacks support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 9:04
it's definitely not transitory ... Then it went to 6.2. Now it's 6.8. Looks like it's headed to 7%. ... these guys are continuing to pump more and more stimulus into an economy that has enough
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 13:58
CPI is horribly calculated and it's really imprecise ... the largest owners of nationwide single-family rentals are reporting a 17% year-over-year rent increase ... it means that core CPI actually went from 4.9% today to actually 9%. And the CPI print, which was 6.8%, was actually 10.1%.
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 17:37
We're seeing asset bubbles everywhere in NFTs, in crypto, in startups, in new startups, in new ideas. ... And as a result, we're kind of seeing this inflationary pressure persist.
HOOD 📈 Robinhood compounds hard off its $30B IPO closed 8 CONTESTED ▲ +2.6 23.0 → 25.7
Chamath
Chamath oppose ×2 sentiment ▶ 4:28
That thing has been a stone sinking to the floor of the ocean.
Jason
Jason support ×2 positioning ▶ 4:47
We're not dispensing stock advice, but I'm not selling any of my shares. I'm telling you right now.
QQQ 🤖 Own the top 30% of global tech and hold it five to ten years closed 6 CONTESTED ▲ +1.0 92.7 → 93.7
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 26:16
over the last 15 or 20 years, what was once a question is now definitive, which is that the things that are valuable tend to be technological, because they're super high margin, they grow really quickly, they compound, they create enormous cash flows at scale.

Episode digest

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The morning after November CPI printed 6.8% (a 39-year high, released 2021-12-10), the besties spent the first 50 minutes on macro and came down almost unanimously on persistent inflation. Sacks opened flatly - 'it's definitely not transitory', 'looks like it's headed to 7%' - and blamed a third hyper-stimulatory bill (CBO scored Build Back Better at $5T / +$3T deficit that same day) being pumped into an economy that doesn't need it, plus a supply side crimped by stimmy checks, ports and COVID restrictions. Chamath escalated with receipts, relaying Bill Ackman's argument that owner's-equivalent rent (30% of the CPI basket) is survey-derived while actual single-family-rental operators report +17% y/y, so recomputing puts core CPI at 9% and headline at 10.1% rather than 6.8% - a direct reinforcement of the 'CPI understates it' half of stimulus-inflation-real. Friedberg agreed inflation is persisting ('asset bubbles everywhere in NFTs, in crypto, in startups') but framed the real problem as the debt-service trap: the system is debt-funded, so if the Fed raises rates without growth 'the whole system goes bankrupt', and he restated his standing thesis that the US goes out 'with a whimper... a function of the devaluation of currency' - plus a soft nod to bitcoin as the 'great equalizer' against a government that monopolises capital allocation (he explicitly disclaimed being a maximalist, so strength 1). Friedberg was also the only one carrying the other side of the inflation trade, relaying a note from Brad Gerstner about 'the deflationary effect of technology' being felt in the economy - the one mention on inflation-fades-breakevens this episode. On the Fed, nobody argued for patience: Sacks took two-to-three hikes in 2022 as the base case and did the arithmetic (75bp x ~$30T = ~$150B/yr of extra debt service, $1.5T over ten years, 'that's your build back better right there'). On growth de-rating the episode is a table-pounder: Sacks dated the top to the week of Nov 8 when three Fed governors turned hawkish, saying rate expectations are 'going to suck the liquidity out of the system'; Chamath supplied the transmission mechanism - pensions forced out the curve by negative real yields on TIPS, then forced sellers when the front end moved, 'that's called de-grossing... hedge funds are doing it in droves'; Jason brought the tape (Zoom 123x to 14.7x sales, Peloton 23x to 3x). On recession the panel split: Friedberg says inflation is running ahead of growth and 'we're not there', i.e. stagflation now; Sacks explicitly opposed the recession call - 'a lot of strength in the economy right now', kill BBB and you get 'a massive relief rally, and the economy would take off like a rocket next year', a soft landing rather than whipsaw austerity. Chamath predicted BBB dies outright ('we put the bullet in the chamber and loaded it from Manchin - this bill is not going to happen'), Sacks warned it still could pass. New idea coined: Chamath's mechanism that the conforming-mortgage-limit hike toward $1M marks up American paper net worth ~4-5%, gets HELOC'd out and spent, and ends as 'a real disaster scenario in five or six years... more like 1929' - a housing-leverage bust with a stated 5-6 year horizon that no existing registry idea covers. Disclosed positioning: Jason is holding his Robinhood shares outright on the day HOOD made new lows ('I'm not selling any of my shares. I'm telling you right now', and he called ~$17-18B 'an opportunity'), while Chamath - who also holds it - trashed it as 'a stone sinking to the floor of the ocean, never to be found'; and Sacks disclosed advising a Craft SaaS portfolio company that just closed a monster round to take MORE money at the same valuation as insurance because public comps are down 30-40%, the clearest 'preparing for a downturn' action in the episode. Friedberg and Chamath both read Better.com's 900-person Zoom firing as the free-money hangover rather than a demand problem (SoftBank capital forcing 'unnatural growth'; 'we overgrew because we were drunk on free money'); no tradeable claim was made about mortgage-origination economics or the Aurora Acquisition SPAC, so no AURC play was created. Jason called BuzzFeed 'circling the drain' with 80% of its SPAC trust redeemed - the back-end-breaks mechanism of spac-boom-unwind. Friedberg also called Omicron the possible 'air bomb that gets dropped, clears the room and then it's all over', an oppose on the tough-winter thesis. LABEL ANOMALIES: the four hosts' own labels are correct and content-verified (Jason does his own third-person intro and the syndicate/Robinhood receipts, Chamath the $700M/yr climate spend and wife Nat, Sacks the Craft SaaS founder conversations, Friedberg the Ohalo/Production Board register and Brad Gerstner note). BUT the two inserted video clips are misattributed: the Better.com layoff Zoom call (51:47-53:18) has Vishal Garg's words labelled 'David Friedberg' and 'Elon Musk' and one line as 'Jason Calacanis', and the Jussie Smollett interview (1:14:42-1:14:52) is labelled SPEAKER_3 with the interviewer's question labelled 'Chamath'. The Elon Musk turn at 34:39 is a genuine WSJ-conference clip, correctly labelled. One stray interviewer line at 54:18 ('Okay, so how would you do this, Sacks?') is Jason's, mislabelled as David Sacks. No quotes were taken from any clip or from the mislabelled line.