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🤖 Apple makes huge AI gains in 2024 (contrarian)

Apple won't stay on the AI sidelines: big generative-AI moves, maybe a rebooted Siri, land by end of 2024.

0 CONVICTION
peaked 64.8 WATCH
DORMANT
band · contested
▲ LONG AAPL
expression · bullish tech
RIGHT
result · return +32.7% · vs SPY +5.6%
2025-01-06
born 2024-01-06 (E160) → window closed
⚠ CONFLICTING IDEAS ON THE SAME TICKER — the board is arguing with itself; net it out (ticker view →)
AAPL · Personal AI agents put the App Store's 30% take and opaque subscription/retail economics on notice SHORT WATCH 49.3 ← stronger than this idea (3.2)
AAPL · ChatGPT takes Google search share and the market starts pricing the decay SHORT EMBER 21.2 ← stronger than this idea (3.2)

other ideas on the same ticker, same direction: Apple: the AI dark horse via local models 47 (AAPL)

⚖ Why this result

fully deterministic — computed from daily closes on the scoring date; nothing below is editable or hand-set

  1. Window: 2024-01-06 → 2025-01-06 — first mention + 12-month horizon, then the window locks.
  2. The call: ▲ LONG AAPL (primary play). AAPL rose 32.7% over the window → return (sign flipped for a SHORT) = +32.7% (the call made money).
  3. Benchmark: holding SPY over the same window returned +27.1% → vs SPY = +32.7 − (+27.1) = +5.6% — what this call made or lost against just owning the index. This is the number the result uses.
  4. Rule fired:
    ▶ RIGHT — return ≥ +10% AND beat SPY by 5+ ✓ (return 32.7, vs SPY 5.6)
    · HALF — return ≥ +5% OR beat SPY at all
    · WRONG — everything else
  5. Credit: supporters of a RIGHT earn 1.0 each, opposers the opposite — this feeds the scoreboard. supported: Friedberg, Sacks | opposed: Chamath, Jason, Keith Rabois

Conviction timeline

bands: green ≥ 65 · watch ≥ 45 · ember ≥ 15

Plays vs SPY · % since first mention (2024-01-06)

Plays

expressionsymbolkindrelevancerationale
▲ LONG AAPLstock PRIMARY the named company — note same speaker is bearish AAPL via smartphone-fatigue-2024; both official picks captured

Mention log newest first

Keith Rabois
Keith Rabois (regular guest ×1.0) tech: 4 resolved, unproven · E207 (2024-12-13) · explicit_prediction · strength 2 ▶ 53:15 OPPOSE
“And then playing on a field that's not favorable to them, which is there are advantages Apple has in AI, but there's some significant organizational structural disadvantages. And that's the field that people are going to be competing on for the next five years from a consumer perspective. And they're playing on a field where they don't have all the advantages in their favor.”
Jason
Jason tech 53% · n=56 · E207 (2024-12-13) · sentiment · strength 2 ▶ 45:25 REVERSAL
“You're not the only person. People are freaking out about the interface changes on Photos, crashing is a major thing, and Apple Intelligence just doesn't work. So it does seem, Keith, that Apple has gotten off their game of making polished stuff to race to try and, I guess, catch up to their perception of AI being a disruptive force at the interface level”
Chamath
Chamath tech 45% · n=84 · E197 (2024-09-27) · sentiment · strength 2 ▶ 50:39 OPPOSE
“Siri is not very good, Jay Cal.”
Jason
Jason tech 53% · n=56 · E197 (2024-09-27) · explicit_prediction · strength 2 ▶ 49:38 SUPPORT
“It's pretty clear with this new one that you're going to be able to talk to Siri as an LLM like you do in ChatGPT mode, which I think means they will not make themself dependent on ChatGPT, and they will siphon off half the searches that would have gone to ChatGPT.”
Sacks
Sacks tech 39% · n=53 · E187 (2024-07-12) · explicit_prediction · strength 2 ▶ 34:53 SUPPORT
“The second one, I think, will be when Apple comes out with iPhone 16, you know, with LLM-powered Siri, assuming they do a decent job with that, it's going to lead to a huge upgrade cycle.”
Sacks
Sacks tech 39% · n=53 · E183 (2024-06-14) · sentiment · strength 2 ▶ 47:09 SUPPORT
“the market definitely thinks so because Apple was up big on this news. And even if it was largely vaporware at this point, the market definitely liked where they were going.”
Chamath
Chamath tech 45% · n=84 · E183 (2024-06-14) · sentiment · strength 2 ▶ 42:44 OPPOSE
“So if you just look at it sequentially, it's a little disappointing in that sense because for a company this big, it's really not much of anything.”
Jason
Jason tech 53% · n=56 · E183 (2024-06-14) · explicit_prediction · strength 3 ▶ 40:03 SUPPORT
“And I think this means that Apple is going to win the AI consumer.”
Chamath
Chamath tech 45% · n=84 · E182 (2024-06-07) · explicit_prediction · strength 3 ▶ 1:06:30 OPPOSE
“the idea that Apple with this thousand dollar device is all of a sudden going to figure out that this is why you're going to upgrade, I think is pretty speculative and I think they're going to be disappointed.”
Jason
Jason tech 53% · n=56 · E182 (2024-06-07) · explicit_prediction · strength 2 ▶ 1:04:54 SUPPORT
“There's a distinct reason to upgrade now. If you had a language model on your phone and Siri was like this super Siri that actually got stuff done, I would upgrade my phone immediately. And right now I skip two or three generations.”
Sacks
Sacks tech 39% · n=53 · E182 (2024-06-07) · explicit_prediction · strength 2 ▶ 1:03:47 SUPPORT
“we kind of predicted that something like this could or should happen. We said that the big win for Apple in AI would be to make Siri actually work based on LLM”
Sacks
Sacks tech 39% · n=53 · E171 (2024-03-22) · sentiment · strength 2 ▶ 27:25 SUPPORT
“even if Google Gemini were great, you'd still want to invest in having your own thing because it's such a strategic technology. Why would you ever outsource it to your main competitor?”
Friedberg
Friedberg tech 55% · n=66 · E171 (2024-03-22) · explicit_prediction · strength 2 ▶ 26:00 SUPPORT
“if Apple's doing the right thing, which I'm sure they are, they're probably building their own alternative platform here. They realize it's going to take them some time in the interim. They want to have a stopgap.”
Chamath
Chamath tech 45% · n=84 · E171 (2024-03-22) · explicit_prediction · strength 3 ▶ 24:39 OPPOSE
“I think it's them giving up. This is the most consequential new development in technology and compute in probably 20 years, 30 years. And so to be spending tens of billions of dollars of R&D and to not have enough allocated to this so that you have a legitimate path forward to do it yourself, I think is a little inexcusable actually.”
Jason
Jason tech 53% · n=56 · E169 (2024-03-08) · explicit_prediction · strength 2 ▶ 1:05:12 SUPPORT
“I think that's where they're going with their silicon. And they just announced the M3 on the MacBook Airs. Like, they're making their own silicon. And I think it's going to power LLMs locally on the devices. And that's so powerful.”
Sacks
Sacks tech 39% · n=53 · E169 (2024-03-08) · sentiment · strength 2 ▶ 1:04:53 SUPPORT
“if they could just make Siri work like the way it was supposed to using an LLM and have it be like snappy, that would be a major upgrade to the iPhone”
Sacks
Sacks tech 39% · n=53 · E168 (2024-03-01) · sentiment · strength 1 ▶ 1:24:41 SUPPORT
“Well, I think it's more core to what they do. The car never seemed that core.”
Jason
Jason tech 53% · n=56 · E168 (2024-03-01) · sentiment · strength 1 ▶ 1:24:32 SUPPORT
“The speculation is that they're going all in on AI. They just see that as a much better future.”
Chamath
Chamath tech 45% · n=84 · E168 (2024-03-01) · sentiment · strength 2 ▶ 1:23:44 OPPOSE
“I understand. I'm just saying it doesn't make a lot of sense that 2,000 employees that were specialized in building a car, all of a sudden now become the AI team.”
Friedberg
Friedberg tech 55% · n=66 · E166 (2024-02-16) · explicit_prediction · strength 2 ▶ 36:55 SUPPORT
“I think you're going to see a chip on the next set of mobile devices by Apple that will run models locally.”
Chamath
Chamath tech 45% · n=84 · E166 (2024-02-16) · sentiment · strength 2 ▶ 36:44 OPPOSE
“Where is Apple in all of this? It's unbelievable.”
Jason
Jason tech 53% · n=56 · E166 (2024-02-16) · explicit_prediction · strength 2 ▶ 36:25 SUPPORT
“you're kind of going to see, I think, in iOS 18 or the next iPhone 16, they're going to have an image model baked onto that phone”
Jason
Jason tech 53% · n=56 · E160 (2024-01-06) · annual_prediction · strength 2 ▶ 50:02 SUPPORT · horizon 12mo
“I'm going to go with Apple as my contrarian belief. I think Apple is going to become a player in AI [by] the end of the year. Maybe they reboot Siri... they're not going to remain on the sidelines when it comes to AI.”

Who built this conviction

each voice's total push on the score, in conviction points across every mention — supports and opposes · share = % of all mention-driven movement

Jason
Jason 53%
8 scoring events · 40% of moves
+91.6 / -14.2 → net +77.5
Chamath
Chamath 45%
6 scoring events · 29% of moves
+0.0 / -76.8 → net -76.8
Sacks
Sacks 39%
6 scoring events · 19% of moves
+50.6 → net +50.6
Friedberg
Friedberg 55%
2 scoring events · 9% of moves
+23.4 → net +23.4
Keith Rabois
Keith Rabois regular guest ×1.0
1 scoring event · 2% of moves
+0.0 / -6.0 → net -6.0

⏳ decay drained -65.5 over the idea's life — that's time passing, attributed to no one

Score events

episodekindΔafternote
E160 2024-01-06 init +40.0 40.0 E160 born by Jason (annual_prediction x2)
E161 2024-01-13 decay -1.6 38.4 E161 silent
E162 2024-01-19 decay -1.5 36.9 E162 silent
E163 2024-01-26 decay -1.5 35.4 E163 silent
E164 2024-02-02 decay -1.4 34.0 E164 silent
E165 2024-02-09 decay -1.4 32.6 E165 silent
E166 2024-02-16 reinforce +10.1 42.7 E166 Jason support x2
E166 2024-02-16 oppose -12.0 30.7 E166 Chamath opposes x2
E166 2024-02-16 reinforce +15.6 46.3 E166 Friedberg support x2 (new voice)
E167 2024-02-23 decay -1.9 44.5 E167 silent
E168 2024-03-01 oppose -12.0 32.5 E168 Chamath opposes x2
E168 2024-03-01 reinforce +8.1 40.6 E168 Jason support x1
E168 2024-03-01 reinforce +10.7 51.3 E168 Sacks support x1 (new voice)
E169 2024-03-08 reinforce +7.3 58.6 E169 Sacks support x2
E169 2024-03-08 reinforce +6.2 64.8 E169 Jason support x2
E170 2024-03-15 decay -2.6 62.2 E170 silent
E171 2024-03-22 oppose -14.4 47.8 E171 Chamath opposes x3
E171 2024-03-22 reinforce +7.8 55.6 E171 Friedberg support x2
E171 2024-03-22 reinforce +6.7 62.3 E171 Sacks support x2
E172 2024-03-29 decay -2.5 59.8 E172 silent
E173 2024-04-05 decay -2.4 57.4 E173 silent
E174 2024-04-12 decay -2.3 55.1 E174 silent
E175 2024-04-19 decay -2.2 52.9 E175 silent
E176 2024-04-26 decay -2.1 50.8 E176 silent
E177 2024-05-03 decay -2.0 48.8 E177 silent
E178 2024-05-10 decay -2.0 46.8 E178 silent
E179 2024-05-17 decay -1.9 44.9 E179 silent
E180 2024-05-24 decay -1.8 43.1 E180 silent
E181 2024-05-31 decay -1.7 41.4 E181 silent
E182 2024-06-07 reinforce +8.8 50.2 E182 Sacks support x2
E182 2024-06-07 reinforce +7.5 57.7 E182 Jason support x2
E182 2024-06-07 oppose -14.4 43.3 E182 Chamath opposes x3
E183 2024-06-14 reinforce +10.2 53.5 E183 Jason support x3
E183 2024-06-14 oppose -12.0 41.5 E183 Chamath opposes x2
E183 2024-06-14 reinforce +8.8 50.3 E183 Sacks support x2
E184 2024-06-20 decay -2.0 48.2 E184 silent
E185 2024-06-29 decay -1.9 46.3 E185 silent
E186 2024-07-04 decay -1.9 44.5 E186 silent
E187 2024-07-12 reinforce +8.3 52.8 E187 Sacks support x2
E188 2024-07-19 decay -2.1 50.7 E188 silent
E189 2024-07-26 decay -2.0 48.7 E189 silent
E190 2024-08-02 decay -1.9 46.7 E190 silent
E191 2024-08-09 decay -1.9 44.8 E191 silent
E192 2024-08-16 decay -1.8 43.0 E192 silent
E193 2024-08-23 decay -1.7 41.3 E193 silent
E194 2024-08-30 decay -1.7 39.7 E194 silent
E195 2024-09-06 decay -1.6 38.1 E195 silent
E196 2024-09-20 decay -1.5 36.6 E196 silent
E197 2024-09-27 reinforce +9.5 46.1 E197 Jason support x2
E197 2024-09-27 oppose -12.0 34.1 E197 Chamath opposes x2
E198 2024-10-03 decay -1.4 32.7 E198 silent
E199 2024-10-11 decay -1.3 31.4 E199 silent
E200 2024-10-18 decay -1.3 30.1 E200 silent
E201 2024-10-25 decay -1.2 28.9 E201 silent
E202 2024-11-01 decay -1.2 27.8 E202 silent
E203 2024-11-08 decay -1.1 26.7 E203 silent
E204 2024-11-16 decay -1.1 25.6 E204 silent
E205 2024-11-23 decay -1.0 24.6 E205 silent
E206 2024-12-07 decay -1.0 23.6 E206 silent
E207 2024-12-13 reversal -14.2 9.4 E207 Jason flips
E207 2024-12-13 oppose -6.0 3.4 E207 Keith Rabois opposes x2 [w=0.50]
E208 2024-12-20 decay -0.1 3.3 E208 silent
E209 2025-01-04 decay -0.1 3.2 E209 silent