E227

Fed Hesitates on Tariffs, The New Mag 7, Death of VC, Google's Value in a Post-Search World

2025-05-09 spoken.md · speaker-labeled ▶ watch ← E226 all episodes E228 →

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decay · 107 silent

Every number here is replayed from score_events — the same ledger the pool ranks on. Decay is what the 107 ideas nobody mentioned gave up this week; it applies only when an episode is processed.

Tier crossings

conviction thresholds crossed by this episode — 65 / 45 / 15 · ideas born here show where they landed. why 65 isn't always green

▲ +19.0 📈 Venture has to shrink to clear public-market alpha - fund sizes and GP count come down ember watch 27.2 → 46.2
▼ -5.3 🤖 2025 is the year of robots and autonomous hardware watch ember 47.8 → 42.4
▲ +36.2 🏛️ Atkins SEC loosens accredited-investor gating and retail money reaches private markets dormant ember 4.1 → 40.3
▼ -6.0 🌍 Payroll revisions expose an economy materially weaker than the headline data watch ember 46.0 → 40.0
▲ +10.3 📈 You cannot build durable public equity value on a bet-making business dormant ember 8.1 → 18.4
▲ +12.2 📈 AI eats middle management before the entry level dormant ember 6.1 → 18.3
▲ +18.0 🤖 ChatGPT takes Google search share and the market starts pricing the decay born at ember 18.0
▼ -17.7 📈 Rate cuts plus the AI wave start a new venture cycle - a golden era, not a bubble ember dormant 21.0 → 3.4

Kill dates that landed since E226

0 hit · 0 partial · 1 miss — windows that closed after 2025-05-02 and up to 2025-05-09, auto-scored against price data and never hand-set. verdict · R · α

ideaverdictRαclosed
🤖 AI-designed open-source gene editors break the CRISPR patent toll MISS -9.5% -21.7 2025-05-03

Who moved the board

each voice's force on conviction this episodesupports and opposes, weighted exactly as the replay applied them · share = % of this episode's movement

Chamath
Chamath
9 captures · 31% of movement · 1 idea born
+86.3 / -21.3 → net +65.0
PH
Philippe Laffont guest ×0.5
14 captures · 25% of movement
+49.0 / -37.2 → net +11.8
Jason
Jason
8 captures · 22% of movement
+38.7 / -36.9 → net +1.8
Friedberg
Friedberg
7 captures · 21% of movement
+28.1 / -44.5 → net -16.4

What got argued (22 ideas)

ordered by how hard each idea moved · quotes are verbatim from the transcript, timestamps deep-link into the episode

BX 🏛️ Atkins SEC loosens accredited-investor gating and retail money reaches private markets closed 15 CONTESTED ▲ +36.2 4.1 → 40.3
Jason
Jason support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:10:04
Yeah, it's retail investors and sovereign wealth funds outside the US seem to be the answer to that question.
PH
Philippe Laffont support ×3 positioning guest ×0.5 ▶ 1:17:55
these interval funds are really interesting because I think the minimum investment is like $50,000 or something like that. And the conditions to qualify for such a fund are much smaller. So there's many more investors that can come. And I look at it a little bit of like, this is the democratization of tech investing.
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:29:19
The optimal basket of the companies you'd want to own for the future, because of these rules and regulatory burdens, are partially public, partially private, and so you need a vehicle that can straddle both if you want to own it.
BX 📈 Venture has to shrink to clear public-market alpha - fund sizes and GP count come down closed 22 ▲ +19.0 27.2 → 46.2
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:10:09
At the end of the day, it is what it is, and you're going to see a reduction in venture dollars. And that's just the market normalizing.
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:12:35
at current course and speed, with the lack of IPOs and with the lack of M&A, you can't justify that asset class on its own, in my opinion, unless you think about it as like something that you're doing almost philanthropically
NEW GOOGL 🤖 ChatGPT takes Google search share and the market starts pricing the decay dormant 9 CONTESTED ▲ +18.0 0.0 → 18.0

Eddy Cue's testimony that Safari search volume fell for the first time in twenty years is the first hard datapoint of Google losing search share to ChatGPT, and Chamath's call is that Google goes from ~99% share to ~75% inside two years. The important part is second-order: now that a measurable datapoint exists, anyone can model the economic value of every basis point of share shift, so the market begins discounting the decay ahead of the fundamentals - which is what the ~7% GOOGL drop on the Cue headline was. Friedberg and Jason take the direct other side: total query volume is three to ten times bigger in the chat paradigm, so 80% of a much larger market beats 99% of the old one, and Google still holds the users, the models and the distribution.

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Chamath
Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction 24mo horizon ▶ 37:15
I think that instead of waiting for data, I think that you have to assume that you're gonna go from 99% share to 75% in the next two years, as an example.
PH
Philippe Laffont support ×1 sentiment guest ×0.5 ▶ 40:09
is this the next IBM? You're going to stick around for a really, really long time, but you're just not going to be like a company growing as fast as you used to.
Jason
Jason oppose ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 52:05
So you're on to something that the total volume, the total pie could be five, ten times bigger per person.
Friedberg
Friedberg oppose ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 52:14
if the old paradigm is like measuring search queries and quote market share as a function of search queries, I don't know if I care about having 99% of that or if I'm actually better off having 80% of something that's now three times bigger.
IPO 📈 Rate cuts plus the AI wave start a new venture cycle - a golden era, not a bubble closed 22 CONTESTED ▼ -17.7 21.0 → 3.4
Jason
Jason oppose ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:09:05
And now we have venture capital constricting in terms of new funds being done. And people are making larger funds to do later and later stage investments
PH
Philippe Laffont oppose ×2 explicit_prediction guest ×0.5 ▶ 1:13:48
ever since, you know, the 20 and 21, which were very high, if you look at 22, 23, 24, and now the 25, I'm like, how is this that it's worse than 0.4, 0.5, 0.6 that were normal years? How is this worse than 13 and 14 and 15?
SPY 🌍 A second-term tariff-plus-tax-cut policy mix stokes stagflation closed 0 CONTESTED ▼ -17.1 35.7 → 18.6
Friedberg
Friedberg oppose ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 20:40
there is now maybe a pretty sizable long-term revenue stream for the federal government that didn't exist before, which means that there's room to cut taxes
PH
Philippe Laffont oppose ×2 explicit_prediction guest ×0.5 ▶ 23:15
That retailer told us that they think only about 50% of the tariff gets passed in pricing. So I sort of agree with you. There is going to be a net net positive, and that retailers have way to work things around and stuff like that.
GOOGL 🏛️ Big-tech antitrust survives a Trump-Vance administration closed 21 CONTESTED ▲ +12.4 17.1 → 29.5
Jason
Jason support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:14:17
I've talked to M&A people, Philippe, and they have said it's not even worth bringing it to the board.
ACN 📈 AI eats middle management before the entry level closed 10 CONTESTED ▲ +12.2 6.1 → 18.3
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 30:54
He gave us two anecdotes of how he personally has used some of these tools to make management decisions, and his observation was managers are the first to go.
XLF 🌍 Contrarian: a mainline bank reserve crisis in 2025 (long CDS) closed 13 ▲ +11.1 30.6 → 41.7
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 17:11
when you look back historically around these subprime lenders, whenever these guys start to see price to books, just start to escalate and get to pies, it tends to portend a liquidity crisis. It tends to show that things are about to roll over.
MAGS 📈 Mag-7 concentration unwinds — trillions in drawdown closed 10 CONTESTED ▲ +10.9 51.4 → 62.3
PH
Philippe Laffont support ×2 explicit_prediction guest ×0.5 ▶ 41:45
To me, it's a little bit like the end of the Max 7 And what we should do is almost think like, hey, what is the next? Remember when the Max 7 used to be Fang and then Fang++, and nobody talks about Fang anymore.
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:29:19
The MAG-7 was this set of correlated seven companies that sucked up all the attention, all the money, they moved in unison dollar for dollar. Now that that correlation has broken down, it allows you to ask this question, which is, what is the real MAG-X companies?
TLT 🏦 Rates fall to ~2.5% within two years closed 13 CONTESTED ▼ -10.5 25.7 → 15.2
Chamath
Chamath reversal ×2 sentiment ▶ 25:16
I mean, if we're in a sustained period of four to five percent rates, I mean, we should talk about that at some point, but there's huge implications to the economy if this thing stays where it is, huge.
ITB 📈 Residential real estate faces continued headwinds in 2025 closed 16 CONTESTED ▼ -10.4 26.2 → 15.8
Friedberg
Friedberg oppose ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 20:40
I was just looking at the mortgage delinquency rates. They're pretty flat right now. And that's, I think, because so many people did refinance when rates were low and there's a tremendous amount of mortgage balance with a low rate outstanding.
BX 📈 You cannot build durable public equity value on a bet-making business closed 13 ▲ +10.3 8.1 → 18.4
PH
Philippe Laffont support ×2 positioning guest ×0.5 ▶ 1:21:34
If I can compound capital at 12.5% incentive fee for a very long time, it's better than 20% for a short period of time.
XRT 🏛️ Trump's tariff threats are negotiating leverage and get settled down closed 36 CONTESTED ▼ -7.3 85.5 → 78.2
Friedberg
Friedberg oppose ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 20:40
what we're seeing is that for one of our friendliest allies, for one of our best trade partners, we are keeping in place a 10 percent tariff rate. So if that holds with other trade deals, and that becomes kind of a standard across the board as they get more of these trade deals done
PH
Philippe Laffont support ×2 explicit_prediction guest ×0.5 24mo horizon ▶ 28:47
I feel now there's a chance when you look at the next year or two, at some point tariffs goes away. Trump makes this big deal with deregulation, the tax breaks sort of cancel out the tariffs.
NVDA 🤖 AI capex outruns app-layer revenue - Nvidia's terminal-value problem closed 0 CONTESTED ▼ -7.2 11.8 → 4.6
PH
Philippe Laffont oppose ×3 explicit_prediction guest ×0.5 ▶ 28:47
Microsoft said that in their Q1, they processed 100 trillion tokens, 50 trillion alone in March. And so the tokens are really going basically vertical, which is probably because of these reasoning engines, which are much more sophisticated and require more compute power.
AAPL 🤖 Models commoditize — proprietary data is the only AI moat closed 4 CONTESTED ▲ +6.6 58.2 → 64.8
Jason
Jason support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 44:56
They have such a data advantage and such a deep integration into people's lives because they use three or four services.
NVDA 🤖 We run out of compute again in 2025 closed 30 ▲ +6.5 51.7 → 58.2
PH
Philippe Laffont support ×3 explicit_prediction guest ×0.5 ▶ 28:47
CapEx is going up and everybody has a gigantic shortage of chips right now. That I know for sure from all of our private companies, public companies, there's a shortage of chip, a shortage of compute power.
SPY 🌍 Payroll revisions expose an economy materially weaker than the headline data closed 0 CONTESTED ▼ -6.0 46.0 → 40.0
PH
Philippe Laffont oppose ×2 explicit_prediction guest ×0.5 ▶ 15:23
on the hard data, the part that's most surprising is that consumers have very weak sentiment, but in the meantime, consumer spending is remarkably resilient.
TLT 🌍 Trump's endgame: let equities crack to refinance $10T of debt closed 0 CONTESTED ▼ -6.0 52.1 → 46.1
PH
Philippe Laffont oppose ×2 explicit_prediction guest ×0.5 ▶ 13:15
when the market did go down a lot, the government did budge and said, hey, we need to step in here.
KRE 🏦 Treasury routes around a recalcitrant Fed via community-bank deregulation closed 8 CONTESTED ▲ +5.5 32.8 → 38.3
PH
Philippe Laffont oppose ×2 explicit_prediction guest ×0.5 ▶ 13:15
the Fed did something that I thought was very clever. They basically said, we're not going to cut just to bail out the equity market. But if the market's liquidity is no longer functioning, emphasis on liquidity, then we'll step in to restore liquidity.
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 19:47
What I'm saying very directly is that the Fed is acting in a manner that is as much politically motivated as financially metric motivated, because the financial metrics, some of the most critical leading indicators, particularly around liquidity and the credit health of the American consumer, are blinking yellow. So right now, they are choosing to ignore these historically useful leading indicators. And the only reason that I can come up with to ignore it are political reasons.
TSLA 🤖 2025 is the year of robots and autonomous hardware closed 33 CONTESTED ▼ -5.3 47.8 → 42.4
Jason
Jason oppose ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:30:50
one of these robotic companies that has zero revenue and wanted a $40 billion valuation, and there's all these civilians, retail investors who are investing in your fund, but also have direct access to these secondary markets, you also have to buy at the right price. These, I know firsthand, for those top companies are massively inflated.
PH
Philippe Laffont support ×2 sentiment guest ×0.5 ▶ 1:31:36
Listen, humanoids is a pretty exciting area. I don't know what companies are, but there is going, like, let me, in my top 25, I don't think, I think it's a bit early. I would have a humanoid company.
GOOGL 🤖 Google's AI comeback pays off in 2025 closed 77 CONTESTED ▲ +0.9 60.0 → 61.0
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 34:14
They have the users. They have the models. They already have the product. So it's going to be a slow process of finding the optimal course for them to make the transition would be my guess on what they're doing.
Jason
Jason support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 44:56
I think Google is going to figure this out. If they cut their team size down, earnings are going to go massively up and they're spending $75 billion on infrastructure.
Chamath
Chamath oppose ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 54:17
All I'm saying is that the market will now start to price this decay in.
GS 📈 The exit drought is a valuation overhang, not antitrust or markets closed 0 CONTESTED ▼ +0.0 0.0 → 0.0
PH
Philippe Laffont oppose ×3 explicit_prediction guest ×0.5 ▶ 58:28
there's such a view that like large companies are bad and we got to bust them and we're not going to let them do any M&A. And as a result of that, small companies no longer get bought by big ones. And for me, it's a disaster
Jason
Jason oppose ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:09:05
since the wrath of Lina Khan the last four years under Biden, you know, you had this 2021 spike of IPOs, peak ZERP, a lot of inventory, a lot of risk capital have been put to work for 10 years. And after that 2021 spike, things have been flatlined and companies are preferring to stay private.
Chamath
Chamath oppose ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:10:41
part of the reason is because of this strangulation of illiquidity that's caused artificially by administrations, by regulations, and by agencies like the FTC.

Episode digest

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Guest Philippe Laffont (Coatue) in Sacks' chair - the czar was out. Fed block: Chamath escalates his political-Fed thesis (the FOMC release used 'wait' or a synonym 22 times; Powell is holding the only lever he has back into the midterms) and pairs it with a subprime price-to-book chart he says portends a liquidity crisis, while conceding for the first time that a sustained 4-5% rate regime is on the table - a walk-back from his own 2.5%-in-two-years call. Laffont takes the clean other side on the economy: sentiment is awful, hard data is great, the consumer is resilient, and this was a tariff tantrum, not a tariff crisis; Friedberg's read of the UK deal is the bearish surprise inside the bullish news - a 10% floor held even for a friendly trade-surplus partner, so tariffs become a permanent revenue stream rather than pure negotiating leverage. Google was the meat: Eddy Cue's testimony that Safari search volume fell for the first time in twenty years cost GOOGL ~7%, and the pod split cleanly on mechanism - Chamath says assume 99% share goes to 75% inside two years and the market will price the decay ahead of the fundamentals, while Friedberg and Jason ('I'm long') argue the query pie is 3-10x bigger so 80% of the new market beats 99% of the old one. Laffont declined to take a GOOGL position but floated the 'next IBM' analogy and the kill scenario (lose 99% of one bucket, win 20% of the new one), then pivoted to the episode's other real thesis: the Mag-7 correlation has broken, the future index is ~25 names and partly private (SpaceX, Stripe, OpenAI), and his new $1.3B interval fund - seeded with a combined billion from the Bezos and Dell family offices at 1.25-and-12, $50K minimum, distributed by UBS - exists to own it. On the death of VC all four blame antitrust and the Lina Khan chill for the exit drought, directly contradicting Friedberg's own E207 marks-not-antitrust thesis, and Chamath walks the LP return stack to conclude venture can't clear its illiquidity hurdle 'unless you think about it as something you're doing almost philanthropically.' Not captured: Chamath's 10-20-year 'countries stagnate without risk capital' argument (decade horizon, per the 36-month cap), Laffont's US-vs-Europe foundation/generational-wealth point (untradeable), Friedberg's chat/voice/earpod interface riff (best-fit idea E178 dies 2025-05-10, one day out - left it alone), and the Pope/Pelosi-index closing bit. No clips were played this episode; Jason read the FOMC statement and the Cue quote aloud himself.