Fed Hesitates on Tariffs, The New Mag 7, Death of VC, Google's Value in a Post-Search World
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| 🤖 AI-designed open-source gene editors break the CRISPR patent toll | MISS | -9.5% | -21.7 | 2025-05-03 |
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these interval funds are really interesting because I think the minimum investment is like $50,000 or something like that. And the conditions to qualify for such a fund are much smaller. So there's many more investors that can come. And I look at it a little bit of like, this is the democratization of tech investing.
Eddy Cue's testimony that Safari search volume fell for the first time in twenty years is the first hard datapoint of Google losing search share to ChatGPT, and Chamath's call is that Google goes from ~99% share to ~75% inside two years. The important part is second-order: now that a measurable datapoint exists, anyone can model the economic value of every basis point of share shift, so the market begins discounting the decay ahead of the fundamentals - which is what the ~7% GOOGL drop on the Cue headline was. Friedberg and Jason take the direct other side: total query volume is three to ten times bigger in the chat paradigm, so 80% of a much larger market beats 99% of the old one, and Google still holds the users, the models and the distribution.
is this the next IBM? You're going to stick around for a really, really long time, but you're just not going to be like a company growing as fast as you used to.
ever since, you know, the 20 and 21, which were very high, if you look at 22, 23, 24, and now the 25, I'm like, how is this that it's worse than 0.4, 0.5, 0.6 that were normal years? How is this worse than 13 and 14 and 15?
That retailer told us that they think only about 50% of the tariff gets passed in pricing. So I sort of agree with you. There is going to be a net net positive, and that retailers have way to work things around and stuff like that.
To me, it's a little bit like the end of the Max 7 And what we should do is almost think like, hey, what is the next? Remember when the Max 7 used to be Fang and then Fang++, and nobody talks about Fang anymore.
The MAG-7 was this set of correlated seven companies that sucked up all the attention, all the money, they moved in unison dollar for dollar. Now that that correlation has broken down, it allows you to ask this question, which is, what is the real MAG-X companies?
If I can compound capital at 12.5% incentive fee for a very long time, it's better than 20% for a short period of time.
what we're seeing is that for one of our friendliest allies, for one of our best trade partners, we are keeping in place a 10 percent tariff rate. So if that holds with other trade deals, and that becomes kind of a standard across the board as they get more of these trade deals done
I feel now there's a chance when you look at the next year or two, at some point tariffs goes away. Trump makes this big deal with deregulation, the tax breaks sort of cancel out the tariffs.
Microsoft said that in their Q1, they processed 100 trillion tokens, 50 trillion alone in March. And so the tokens are really going basically vertical, which is probably because of these reasoning engines, which are much more sophisticated and require more compute power.
CapEx is going up and everybody has a gigantic shortage of chips right now. That I know for sure from all of our private companies, public companies, there's a shortage of chip, a shortage of compute power.
on the hard data, the part that's most surprising is that consumers have very weak sentiment, but in the meantime, consumer spending is remarkably resilient.
when the market did go down a lot, the government did budge and said, hey, we need to step in here.
the Fed did something that I thought was very clever. They basically said, we're not going to cut just to bail out the equity market. But if the market's liquidity is no longer functioning, emphasis on liquidity, then we'll step in to restore liquidity.
What I'm saying very directly is that the Fed is acting in a manner that is as much politically motivated as financially metric motivated, because the financial metrics, some of the most critical leading indicators, particularly around liquidity and the credit health of the American consumer, are blinking yellow. So right now, they are choosing to ignore these historically useful leading indicators. And the only reason that I can come up with to ignore it are political reasons.
one of these robotic companies that has zero revenue and wanted a $40 billion valuation, and there's all these civilians, retail investors who are investing in your fund, but also have direct access to these secondary markets, you also have to buy at the right price. These, I know firsthand, for those top companies are massively inflated.
Listen, humanoids is a pretty exciting area. I don't know what companies are, but there is going, like, let me, in my top 25, I don't think, I think it's a bit early. I would have a humanoid company.
there's such a view that like large companies are bad and we got to bust them and we're not going to let them do any M&A. And as a result of that, small companies no longer get bought by big ones. And for me, it's a disaster
since the wrath of Lina Khan the last four years under Biden, you know, you had this 2021 spike of IPOs, peak ZERP, a lot of inventory, a lot of risk capital have been put to work for 10 years. And after that 2021 spike, things have been flatlined and companies are preferring to stay private.
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Guest Philippe Laffont (Coatue) in Sacks' chair - the czar was out. Fed block: Chamath escalates his political-Fed thesis (the FOMC release used 'wait' or a synonym 22 times; Powell is holding the only lever he has back into the midterms) and pairs it with a subprime price-to-book chart he says portends a liquidity crisis, while conceding for the first time that a sustained 4-5% rate regime is on the table - a walk-back from his own 2.5%-in-two-years call. Laffont takes the clean other side on the economy: sentiment is awful, hard data is great, the consumer is resilient, and this was a tariff tantrum, not a tariff crisis; Friedberg's read of the UK deal is the bearish surprise inside the bullish news - a 10% floor held even for a friendly trade-surplus partner, so tariffs become a permanent revenue stream rather than pure negotiating leverage. Google was the meat: Eddy Cue's testimony that Safari search volume fell for the first time in twenty years cost GOOGL ~7%, and the pod split cleanly on mechanism - Chamath says assume 99% share goes to 75% inside two years and the market will price the decay ahead of the fundamentals, while Friedberg and Jason ('I'm long') argue the query pie is 3-10x bigger so 80% of the new market beats 99% of the old one. Laffont declined to take a GOOGL position but floated the 'next IBM' analogy and the kill scenario (lose 99% of one bucket, win 20% of the new one), then pivoted to the episode's other real thesis: the Mag-7 correlation has broken, the future index is ~25 names and partly private (SpaceX, Stripe, OpenAI), and his new $1.3B interval fund - seeded with a combined billion from the Bezos and Dell family offices at 1.25-and-12, $50K minimum, distributed by UBS - exists to own it. On the death of VC all four blame antitrust and the Lina Khan chill for the exit drought, directly contradicting Friedberg's own E207 marks-not-antitrust thesis, and Chamath walks the LP return stack to conclude venture can't clear its illiquidity hurdle 'unless you think about it as something you're doing almost philanthropically.' Not captured: Chamath's 10-20-year 'countries stagnate without risk capital' argument (decade horizon, per the 36-month cap), Laffont's US-vs-Europe foundation/generational-wealth point (untradeable), Friedberg's chat/voice/earpod interface riff (best-fit idea E178 dies 2025-05-10, one day out - left it alone), and the Pope/Pelosi-index closing bit. No clips were played this episode; Jason read the FOMC statement and the Cue quote aloud himself.