Trump's Big Week: Middle East Trip, China Deal, Pharma EO, "Big, Beautiful Bill" with Ben Shapiro
2025-05-17 spoken.md · speaker-labeled ▶ watch ← E227 all episodes E229 →
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Tier crossings
conviction thresholds crossed by this episode — 65 / 45 / 15 · ideas born here show where they landed. why 65 isn't always green
Kill dates that landed since E227
1 hit · 0 partial · 3 miss — windows that closed after 2025-05-09 and up to 2025-05-17, auto-scored against price data and never hand-set. verdict · R · α
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| 🛢️ Boosted breeding delivers a step-change in crop yield | MISS | -21.1% | -34.8 | 2025-05-17 |
| 🌍 Milei's fiscal austerity makes Argentina the reform trade | HIT | +47.2% | +33.6 | 2025-05-17 |
| 🤖 AI agents disintermediate consumer app interfaces | MISS | -59.8% | -69.5 | 2025-05-10 |
| 🤖 AlphaFold 3 turns drug discovery into software — Google/Isomorphic captures it | MISS | -9.0% | -18.7 | 2025-05-10 |
Who moved the board
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What got argued (11 ideas)
ordered by how hard each idea moved · quotes are verbatim from the transcript, timestamps deep-link into the episode
Chamath's read of Trump's Middle East trip: China spent 15 years buying Gulf influence through Belt and Road (roughly $200B into Saudi and Qatar), and in one week the US announced about $2 trillion of inbound investment commitments from Saudi, UAE and Qatar plus several hundred billion of reciprocal US corporate investment into the region — a commercial alliance that flips the Gulf out of China's orbit into a US-aligned bloc and is hard for any other country to undo. The tradeable expression is the US export and AI-infrastructure complex those deals fund: the ~$96B/160-plane Boeing order, a ~$142B Saudi defense partnership, and US-licensed AI inference and data-centre buildouts in Saudi and UAE (Groq's ~$1.7B Saudi deal, which Chamath says holds the only US inference export licence).
One of them obviously is driving these places away from China and the more business ties you have with places like Saudi Arabia or Bahrain, UAE, Qatar, the further away they're going to get from China.
In one week, the sitting president of the United States announced $2 trillion of investment from those countries into the United States. What does that effectively do? I think what that effectively does is say that the Middle East is turning a page, that they are beyond these regional conflicts, that they want to thrive as a society, and that they are 100% aligned with the United States.
Trump's most-favored-nation / international-reference-pricing executive order, if implemented with a required like-for-like comparison and US bargaining leverage, cuts pharma profits by roughly 20% to 27.5% (the NBER reference-pricing modelling Chamath cites; a single-country reference is only about -2% and a basket could even raise profits). That lands on an industry whose average ROI is already about 1.5% as of 2022 and whose average trial cost has gone from ~$250M in the early 1990s to ~$2.3B in 2025 under a regulatory burden that grew from 1,000 to 150,000 rules, while Chinese clinical-trial volume has already drawn level with the US. So the marginal effect is to push drug R&D offshore rather than to lower the true cost of care, and Ben Shapiro adds that squeezing Medicaid prices inflates the private-insurance side of the balloon. Bearish the listed US/Western pharma complex.
So if you are talking about just artificially lowering prices by basically clocking Pharma, the reality is if you want to kill R&D, this is a great way to kill R&D.
Friedberg's read of the House reconciliation bill: it extends the 2017 tax cuts and adds tips/overtime carve-outs while cutting almost nothing real (SNAP still ~50% above 2019 after a $30B trim, ~$60B off $820B of Medicaid), so the annual deficit stays near $2.5T — roughly 8% of GDP — while DOGE's realistic savings have shrunk to sub-$300B a year. Congress, not the executive, is the binding constraint and it will not act, so the Treasury market keeps demanding term premium: the 30-year is already kissing 5% and a further marginal loss of confidence in 30-year repayment takes it to 6-7%, which compounds interest cost into the deficit. Bearish long-duration Treasuries.
The bill ultimately yields no real change in the annual deficit. The annual deficit could climb to $2.5 trillion, being added to the federal debt load every single year going forward. In fact, if you look at the Treasury yields, the 30-year is now kissing 5%.
unless you're willing to make serious systemic changes to things like Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, you're not going to solve any of these problems. And here's the sad reality is nobody is willing to do that.
this actually has knock on effects with regards to things like de-dollarization. Why are you investing the American dollar if you believe that the dollar is going to
The difference is we are the shining city on a hill, and every other country is not. ... There's this very funny quote, which is, when you owe the bank a million dollars, it's your problem, but when you owe the bank a billion dollars, it's their problem. This is true here.
because we are rapidly scaling with regard to our own energy production. You have to be an energy intensive nation in order to produce AI. And so the United States has to play this game.
the 10% tariff rate that we still have on the rest of the world is more than quintuple what it was at the very beginning of this process. The average tariff rate, not to use a number David doesn't like, but the average tariff rate right now is higher than it's been any time since the 1930s.
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Sacks was genuinely absent — he was in Riyadh with the Trump delegation — so Chamath moderated the open and Ben Shapiro filled the fourth chair. Three new theses got coined: the Gulf/US economic alliance displacing China's Belt and Road (Chamath's $2T-of-commitments argument, plus his own Groq $1.7B Saudi inference deal and what he claims is the only US inference export licence), the MFN drug-pricing EO compressing pharma profits 20-27.5% and pushing R&D offshore toward China's now-equal trial volume, and the "Big, Beautiful Bill" delivering no real deficit cut so the long end keeps repricing (Friedberg: 30-year kissing 5%, deficit stuck near $2.5T/8% of GDP, DOGE down to sub-$300B of realistic savings, so Congress is the binding constraint and won't act). On existing ideas: the 90-day China truce is the best evidence yet for Friedberg's tariffs-are-leverage thesis and he, Jason and Chamath all re-held it, while Ben Shapiro took the clean other side — the 10% baseline is still 5x the starting point and the average US tariff rate is the highest since the 1930s. Friedberg reprised his US-as-Argentina framing (support) against Chamath's shining-city / "when you owe the bank a billion it's their problem" rejection (oppose, consistent with his E223 stance), both agreed Washington should monetize federal land via leases and drilling royalties, and Friedberg's cultivated-meat rant reported Montana HB401 plus a proposed FEDERAL ban — note that inverts the "then federal preemption reopens it" half of the E170 thesis, with Chamath dissenting again that the product just isn't good. Deliberately not captured: Friedberg's LNG/methane explainer (normative "the US should be an exporter", no forward directional claim and no LNG idea in the registry); Ben Shapiro's report that the Senate crypto bill died over Trump-family coin allegations (real but the only in-window home, crypto-voting-bloc-2024, dies 2025-05-31, so a mention would be pure noise); Ben's 5-to-10-year "wildly inflate or massive austerity" fork and the Spanish-Empire rebuttal to balance-sheet monetization (both beyond the 36-month cap / not on the coined theses); Ben's Taiwan-is-safe-because-we're-rebuilding-the-navy aside (would be an oppose on taiwan-protection-expires-2023 but sits in the same passage already spent on ai-power-demand); Friedberg's federal-student-loan/tuition and housing-capital analogy (same passage as the PBM capture); the university endowment tax in Jason's bill readout (news recitation, not an opinion); and no carried-interest mention at all this episode, so nothing attached to the E214 idea.