E87

E87: Emerging markets, Sri Lanka, 9.1% CPI, market sentiment, NASA's Webb telescope & more

2022-07-14 spoken.md · speaker-labeled ▶ watch ← E86 all episodes E88 →

2
ideas born
14
ideas moved
24
captures · 4 voices
1
dissenting
+241.8
conviction added
-83.8
decay · 77 silent

Every number here is replayed from score_events — the same ledger the pool ranks on. Decay is what the 77 ideas nobody mentioned gave up this week; it applies only when an episode is processed.

Tier crossings

conviction thresholds crossed by this episode — 65 / 45 / 15 · ideas born here show where they landed. why 65 isn't always green

▲ +21.2 ⚡ Energy crisis reverses green policy - nuclear and natural gas get rehabilitated watch green threshold 51.6 → 72.9 still ember — green gate not met
▲ +12.1 🌍 Europe eats the bill - energy crunch reopens the EU sovereign debt crisis watch green threshold 60.3 → 72.4 still ember — green gate not met
▲ +12.6 🤖 Own the top 30% of global tech and hold it five to ten years watch green threshold 58.4 → 71.0 still dormant — green gate not met
▲ +14.3 🛢️ War plus fertilizer costs cause a global crop shortfall and famine in a year watch green threshold 52.8 → 67.1 still ember — green gate not met
▲ +58.4 🏦 Inflation hasn't peaked and the terminal rate is above what's priced born at watch 58.4
▲ +14.8 🌍 Consumer credit bubble bursts into a credit crisis ember watch 41.5 → 56.3
▲ +8.2 🏛️ Ukraine endgame is an organized negotiated detente, not a Ukrainian win ember watch 43.2 → 51.5
▲ +29.0 🌍 Holding the sanctions line pushes the pain onto emerging markets dormant ember 11.2 → 40.2
▲ +30.1 📈 ProKidney's autologous cell therapy for chronic kidney disease born at ember 30.1
▲ +2.6 📈 Tech drawdown is in the eighth inning - the bottom is close dormant ember 12.6 → 15.2

Kill dates that landed since E86

2 hit · 0 partial · 2 miss — windows that closed after 2022-07-08 and up to 2022-07-14, auto-scored against price data and never hand-set. verdict · R · α

ideaverdictRαclosed
📈 California / San Francisco governance decline drives an exodus HIT +44.6% +54.1 2022-07-09
⚡ Distributed backup power boom — generators and rooftop solar MISS -47.2% -37.7 2022-07-09
🛢️ Global drought turns self-sufficient countries into food importers HIT +15.1% +24.6 2022-07-09
🛢️ Western water scarcity repriced water rights and infrastructure MISS -13.2% -3.7 2022-07-09

Who moved the board

each voice's force on conviction this episodesupports and opposes, weighted exactly as the replay applied them · share = % of this episode's movement

Chamath
Chamath
9 captures · 41% of movement · 1 idea born
+96.3 / -10.1 → net +86.3
Sacks
Sacks
7 captures · 31% of movement · 1 idea born
+81.1 → net +81.1
Friedberg
Friedberg
5 captures · 18% of movement
+46.6 → net +46.6
Jason
Jason
3 captures · 11% of movement
+27.9 → net +27.9

What got argued (14 ideas)

ordered by how hard each idea moved · quotes are verbatim from the transcript, timestamps deep-link into the episode

NEW TLT 🏦 Inflation hasn't peaked and the terminal rate is above what's priced closed 15 CONTESTED ▲ +58.4 0.0 → 58.4

June's 9.1% CPI is not the top: lagging owners'-equivalent rent keeps prints in the nines even as oil rolls over, so the Fed has to keep going. The true equilibrium (Taylor) rate is nearer 5% than the 3% the curve prices, so rates overshoot market expectations and that repricing is a downside surprise for both bonds and equities.

plays TLT ·primary IEF SPY evals 2023-07-14
Sacks
Sacks support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 41:04
Well, the lapping effect turned out not to be enough, and inflation is still rising. So we have not yet peaked on CPI. I understand that core we have peaked, but deciding to exclude energy and food, I mean, that's a pretty arbitrary decision.
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 47:20
You know, our target, the collective wisdom of the market believes that 3% is enough to get the job done. We're right now at 1.5 to 1.75. So if there's any number between 3 and 5 that is the true price, we have a lot of work to do to get there.
NEW PROK 📈 ProKidney's autologous cell therapy for chronic kidney disease closed 4 ▲ +30.1 0.0 → 30.1

Chamath wrote a $125M check into a ~$500M round (alongside Royalty Pharma founder Pablo Legorreta and Carlos Slim) for ProKidney, which harvests a patient's own kidney cells, amplifies selected cell lines and re-injects them to lift eGFR in chronic kidney disease and dialysis patients. The bet is that the clinical data advances and the just-listed company reprices on it.

plays PROK ·primary evals 2023-07-14
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 positioning ▶ 1:01:50
And so, yeah, we took a half a billion dollar shot. I wrote $125 million check. I hope it works.
EEM 🌍 Holding the sanctions line pushes the pain onto emerging markets closed 16 ▲ +29.0 11.2 → 40.2
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 4:30
As a result, a lot of dollars are moving out of emerging market debt into US debt, and the price of that debt has collapsed. We've seen in the last couple of months a decline of emerging market debt of about 20 percent. This makes it harder for those countries to issue new debt to fund things, and it's creating this really challenging spiral that may ultimately lead to defaults.
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 17:47
And what's really important here is that as goes Sri Lanka, so goes Ghana, so goes Pakistan, so goes a whole bunch of countries where you're already starting to see food riots, food insecurity, energy insecurity, rampant inflation, sovereign defaults.
URA ⚡ Energy crisis reverses green policy - nuclear and natural gas get rehabilitated closed 28 ▲ +21.2 51.6 → 72.9
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 sentiment ▶ 13:18
That is deindustrialization. I mean, reversing from like the modern techniques of industrial production, like fertilizer and modern systems of farming, is deindustrialization. It's going to be a curse, ultimately.
Sacks
Sacks support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 26:00
Sri Lanka is not rich enough to resist. That's the issue. So the US has an ESG rating of 51%. Sri Lanka has 98%. Why is that? Because in our country, we're not going to impose these crazy mandates. There's enough resistance to it.
Jason
Jason support ×2 sentiment ▶ 1:22:56
just like they flipped last week and they made natural gas and nukes, nuclear power, a green energy. So yeah, their morals and ethics and their virtue signaling go as far as their wallets and their heat and meals go, as we all know.
SPY 📈 Wall Street earnings estimates are wrong - the E resets, not just the multiple closed 23 CONTESTED ▲ +21.2 22.6 → 43.8
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 48:38
And I'm going to still maintain that the E is wrong. The earnings are wrong for most of these companies. So why? Well, one is that when these companies start to report their quarterly earnings starting in the next few days, the year-over-year comparison is going to be to the numbers that they posted in Q2 of 2021, which by all accounts was a blowout number.
Jason
Jason support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 50:52
Currently, and this is for the S&P 500, we're currently at 20 or so, and we have twice in our lifetime kind of hit that 13, 14, 15 level, so we could have a 25% correction from here in the stock market.
COF 🌍 Consumer credit bubble bursts into a credit crisis closed 24 ▲ +14.8 41.5 → 56.3
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 sentiment ▶ 45:46
And so where is the stopping and the slowing down of spending? It just may be reflexively this thing where everybody feels like to be, you know, to have the polite dinner conversation. They have to talk about how they're pulling back.
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×1 sentiment ▶ 58:39
There are some of those events brewing, right? We've talked about the consumer credit risk. We talked maybe Taiwan, maybe this emerging market crisis that may kind of be emerging.
DBA 🛢️ War plus fertilizer costs cause a global crop shortfall and famine in a year closed 22 CONTESTED ▲ +14.3 52.8 → 67.1
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 12:04
The problem with going organic and organic fertilizer was all of the small farms shut down. All of the large farms had 20 to 30% crop yield reductions. The prices of food went crazy.
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 13:49
So, the result of that was that overall production, agricultural production, fell by a third and rice production fell by 43% and rice is, you know, the biggest staple in the country. So, now you got people there starving or going hungry.
ITB 🌍 Conforming-loan expansion inflates home equity into a HELOC-fuelled bust closed 6 CONTESTED ▲ +13.5 28.9 → 42.4
Jason
Jason support ×2 explicit_prediction 6mo horizon ▶ 42:11
It feels like things are turning over in real estate. We talked about that last week. The number of homes being listed is skyrocketing. The number of mortgages being originated is plummeting while the rate goes up. So we're going to see mortgage rates probably go six, seven percent towards the end of the year.
QQQ 🤖 Own the top 30% of global tech and hold it five to ten years closed 6 CONTESTED ▲ +12.6 58.4 → 71.0
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×3 explicit_prediction 120mo horizon ▶ 1:00:37
And there are many businesses that are public that operate like that, that regardless of any of these turtles popping their head out, those businesses will perform well over the next decade.
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 sentiment ▶ 1:01:32
You know, I tend to agree with Friedberg. I mean, you find these businesses that you like, and if they appeal to you and you do your work, that's the most important thing.
EUFN 🌍 Europe eats the bill - energy crunch reopens the EU sovereign debt crisis closed 21 ▲ +12.1 60.3 → 72.4
Chamath
Chamath support ×1 sentiment ▶ 1:21:30
It's supposed to be back up by July 21st. And so the real question is what happens if Putin hand checks Europe and just takes an extra day or two to get that thing back up and going?
Sacks
Sacks support ×3 explicit_prediction 6mo horizon ▶ 1:21:42
Let me make a prediction. I think the Western Alliance is going to fracture come this winter.
SPY 🏛️ Ukraine endgame is an organized negotiated detente, not a Ukrainian win closed 18 CONTESTED ▲ +8.2 43.2 → 51.5
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 sentiment ▶ 1:22:16
It looked like Ukraine was winning the first couple of weeks, but now it looks like Russia has won this Donbass region.
QQQ 📈 Tech drawdown is in the eighth inning - the bottom is close closed 13 CONTESTED ▲ +2.6 12.6 → 15.2
Chamath
Chamath reversal ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 53:32
So they don't necessarily have to buy at any point. They just need to make money in the end. So right now we're in a situation where the markets are looking for a direction. Retail seems to think that direction should be up. Hedge funds don't have an opinion or saying, we're just going to wait this thing out.
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 sentiment 3mo horizon ▶ 55:51
So, you know, my very, very, very anecdotal experience has been that significant market participants I think are going to start to perk their head up this quarter and start to think about doing new things.
IPO 📈 Late-stage private marks reset 30-60% — down-round IPOs become the norm closed 85 ▲ +2.1 84.0 → 86.1
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 positioning ▶ 57:24
We're investing, but we see that the pace of deal making has slowed way down because founders know that valuations have gone down, the fundraising environment is tougher. So last year, they're raising every nine months. Now they know they should probably be raising it once every two years.
SPY 🌍 Supply-chain crunch tips the US into 1970s-style stagflation next year closed 73 CONTESTED ▲ +1.6 90.7 → 92.3
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 46:37
So I have no doubt that the Fed can stop inflation. I think the question is how much pain are they going to have to inflict? How high do rates have to go? And how long do we live through this sort of stagflationary period?

Episode digest

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Taped the day the 9.1% June CPI print landed, and both Chamath and Sacks called the top a fake-out: Sacks explicitly walked back his own April/May 'inflation has peaked' call ('the lapping effect turned out not to be enough'), and Chamath argued the true equilibrium rate is nearer 5% than the 3% the market prices - a new idea, since the market's shrug at the print was the whole debate. The bigger reversal is Chamath's: the proposer of the eighth-inning tech-bottom call now says hedge funds are on the sidelines, don't have to buy at any point, and it's retail carrying the flows - the exact opposite of his own 'cash on the sidelines buys the bottom within weeks' mechanism, while Friedberg took the other side and said allocators start deploying this quarter. The A-block was a full-hour emerging-market debt spiral (Friedberg: EM debt down 20%, a spiral 'that may ultimately lead to defaults'; Chamath: 19 sovereigns at distress levels, 'as goes Sri Lanka, so goes Ghana, so goes Pakistan'), and Sri Lanka's ESG-driven fertilizer ban reinforced both the crop-shortfall and the green-policy-reversal theses. Chamath disclosed a $125M personal check into ProKidney (PROK, de-SPAC'd two days earlier), and Sacks made a dated call that the Western Alliance fractures this winter. Diarization is CLEAN - turn counts normal with Jason top talker, all four addressed-by-name tests pass, and fingerprints check out (Chamath's Sri Lankan descent and Opendoor/SoFi underwriting, Sacks' Craft deal pace, Friedberg's Webb science corner).