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🏛️ Federal agencies run a coordinated regulatory campaign against Elon's companies

Off the FCC's cancellation of Starlink's $885M rural-broadband award, with FCC commissioner Carr naming DOJ, FAA, FTC, NLRB, SDNY and Fish & Wildlife as already acting, Sacks' claim is that the Biden administration is running open political retaliation against Elon and that the cost lands on the listed vehicle: Tesla loses the whole $7,500 EV credit as of 31 December after a surprise IRS decision, and a 2-million-car autopilot 'recall' was forced by regulatory pressure. Chamath's mechanism is death by a thousand cuts - drip-drip enforcement distracts management and makes companies misfire (Jason's precedent: Microsoft's antitrust decade) while subsidy is diverted to less innovative competitors. Friedberg takes the other side: Elon operates beyond every existing regulatory framework, so scrutiny is a necessity, not harassment.

0 CONVICTION
peaked 63.2 WATCH
EMBER
band · contested
▼ SHORT TSLA
expression · bearish politics-market
WRONG
result · return -83.7% · vs SPY -113.5%
2024-12-16
born 2023-12-16 (E157) → window closed
⚠ CONFLICTING IDEA ON THE SAME TICKER — the board is arguing with itself; net it out (ticker view →)
TSLA · Tesla's second act: AI5 + energy + CyberCab LONG WATCH 59.2 ← stronger than this idea (19.8)

other ideas on the same ticker, same direction: Blue cities ban or license-cap robotaxis 20 (TSLA)

⚖ Why this result

fully deterministic — computed from daily closes on the scoring date; nothing below is editable or hand-set

  1. Window: 2023-12-16 → 2024-12-16 — first mention + 12-month horizon, then the window locks.
  2. The call: ▼ SHORT TSLA (primary play). TSLA rose 83.7% over the window → return (sign flipped for a SHORT) = -83.7% (the call lost money).
  3. Benchmark: holding SPY over the same window returned +29.8% → vs SPY = -83.7 − (+29.8) = -113.5% — what this call made or lost against just owning the index. This is the number the result uses.
    Direction-only read: -53.9% — did TSLA move the predicted way relative to the market. The two only differ on a SHORT: this call was right about direction relative to the index but still cost money versus holding it.
  4. Rule fired:
    · RIGHT — return ≥ +10% AND beat SPY by 5+
    · HALF — return ≥ +5% OR beat SPY at all
    ▶ WRONG — everything else
  5. Credit: supporters of a WRONG earn 0 each, opposers the opposite — this feeds the scoreboard. supported: Chamath, Friedberg, Jason | opposed: Sacks

Conviction timeline

bands: green ≥ 65 · watch ≥ 45 · ember ≥ 15

Plays vs SPY · % since first mention (2023-12-16)

Plays

expressionsymbolkindrelevancerationale
▼ SHORT TSLAstock PRIMARY the only listed Elon vehicle - directly loses the full $7,500 EV credit on 31 Dec 2023, carries the regulator-forced 2M-car autopilot fix, the DOJ/NLRB actions and the management-distraction drag

Mention log newest first

Sacks
Sacks politics-market 48% · n=87 · E204 (2024-11-16) · explicit_prediction · strength 2 ▶ 33:51 REVERSAL
“For example, Tesla, it's gone from roughly $250 to $320 a share since the election. And you could call that the lawfare discount. I mean, that basically is the discount on Tesla stock because the market was pricing in the risk of retaliation and if the Republicans lost, there's a widespread belief that the Democrats would go after Elon and his company. So you can actually measure the lawfare discount based on Tesla stock.”
Sacks
Sacks politics-market 48% · n=87 · E200 (2024-10-18) · explicit_prediction · strength 3 ▶ 1:14:29 SUPPORT
“this is the truth about lawfare. They're using the agencies of the federal government to exact reprisals against their political opponents. If there's not a punishment for that, it's going to keep going.”
Friedberg
Friedberg politics-market 42% · n=74 · E200 (2024-10-18) · explicit_prediction · strength 3 ▶ 1:11:52 SUPPORT
“But as of now, they have the ability to block launches out of Vandenberg, which they did and in their decision, they said it was because of Elon's political tweets.”
Jason
Jason politics-market 49% · n=61 · E196 (2024-09-20) · sentiment · strength 2 ▶ 43:12 SUPPORT
“So now you're punishing the guy who actually built the infrastructure for both of these projects. So the reward for actually doing the right thing, which Starlink did, SpaceX did and Tesla did, is to be punished.”
Chamath
Chamath politics-market 51% · n=95 · E196 (2024-09-20) · sentiment · strength 2 ▶ 39:03 SUPPORT
“do we want to live in the kind of administrative state where they will pick people that they dislike based on totally random criteria, a tweet, a meme, a post, and then all of a sudden punish a bunch of the rest of us because of that?”
Sacks
Sacks politics-market 48% · n=87 · E196 (2024-09-20) · explicit_prediction · strength 3 ▶ 36:27 SUPPORT
“It's pure naked retaliation. The Biden-Harris administration doesn't want to admit that Elon has the best solution for rural Internet, just like they couldn't admit he made the best electric cars.”
Jason
Jason politics-market 49% · n=61 · E164 (2024-02-02) · sentiment · strength 2 ▶ 55:58 SUPPORT
“I mean, the conspiracy theories are quickly coming closer to reality. ... And we definitely need to investigate that, for sure. Because the FCC thing is crazy.”
Sacks
Sacks politics-market 48% · n=87 · E164 (2024-02-02) · sentiment · strength 2 ▶ 55:00 SUPPORT
“But look, you have to wonder how much of this is political. I mean, Delaware is Joe Biden's state. He's the senator. There were describing how this judge was connected to a law firm that had helped Joe Biden get elected.”
Jason
Jason politics-market 49% · n=61 · E157 (2023-12-16) · sentiment · strength 2 ▶ 57:21 SUPPORT
“Microsoft got so distracted by their court cases that the company went sideways for a decade.”
Chamath
Chamath politics-market 51% · n=95 · E157 (2023-12-16) · explicit_prediction · strength 3 ▶ 54:18 SUPPORT
“it was presumed, just based on the trend, that Tesla would lose half the credit, keep half the credit. And in a bit of a surprising move, the IRS came out and said the whole thing, we're not going to acknowledge anymore.... one could guess that there is an attempt here to kind of do the death by a thousand cuts approach”
Friedberg
Friedberg politics-market 42% · n=74 · E157 (2023-12-16) · sentiment · strength 2 ▶ 52:50 OPPOSE
“there's a necessity of scrutiny and involvement in these agencies, given that they do have regulatory authority and responsibility over these various businesses”
Sacks
Sacks politics-market 48% · n=87 · E157 (2023-12-16) · explicit_prediction · strength 3 ▶ 36:56 SUPPORT
“This is now part of a pattern of the federal government harassing Elon and his companies.... the administration is putting the thumb on the scales against Elon in favor of these less innovative competitors who have worse products”

Who built this conviction

each voice's total push on the score, in conviction points across every mention — supports and opposes · share = % of all mention-driven movement

Sacks
Sacks 48%
5 scoring events · 58% of moves
+72.9 / -33.5 → net +39.3
Chamath
Chamath 51%
2 scoring events · 16% of moves
+29.1 → net +29.1
Jason
Jason 49%
3 scoring events · 15% of moves
+26.8 → net +26.8
Friedberg
Friedberg 42%
2 scoring events · 12% of moves
+9.9 / -12.0 → net -2.1

⏳ decay drained -73.3 over the idea's life — that's time passing, attributed to no one

Score events

episodekindΔafternote
E157 2023-12-16 init +42.0 42.0 E157 born by Sacks (explicit_prediction x3)
E157 2023-12-16 oppose -12.0 30.0 E157 Friedberg opposes x2
E157 2023-12-16 reinforce +18.9 48.9 E157 Chamath support x3 (new voice)
E157 2023-12-16 reinforce +11.5 60.4 E157 Jason support x2 (new voice)
E158 2023-12-23 decay -2.4 58.0 E158 silent
E159 2023-12-29 decay -2.3 55.7 E159 silent
E160 2024-01-06 decay -2.2 53.4 E160 silent
E161 2024-01-13 decay -2.1 51.3 E161 silent
E162 2024-01-19 decay -2.1 49.2 E162 silent
E163 2024-01-26 decay -2.0 47.3 E163 silent
E164 2024-02-02 reinforce +7.9 55.2 E164 Sacks support x2
E164 2024-02-02 reinforce +6.7 61.9 E164 Jason support x2
E165 2024-02-09 decay -2.5 59.4 E165 silent
E166 2024-02-16 decay -2.4 57.1 E166 silent
E167 2024-02-23 decay -2.3 54.8 E167 silent
E168 2024-03-01 decay -2.2 52.6 E168 silent
E169 2024-03-08 decay -2.1 50.5 E169 silent
E170 2024-03-15 decay -2.0 48.5 E170 silent
E171 2024-03-22 decay -1.9 46.5 E171 silent
E172 2024-03-29 decay -1.9 44.7 E172 silent
E173 2024-04-05 decay -1.8 42.9 E173 silent
E174 2024-04-12 decay -1.7 41.2 E174 silent
E175 2024-04-19 decay -1.6 39.5 E175 silent
E176 2024-04-26 decay -1.6 37.9 E176 silent
E177 2024-05-03 decay -1.5 36.4 E177 silent
E178 2024-05-10 decay -1.5 35.0 E178 silent
E179 2024-05-17 decay -1.4 33.6 E179 silent
E180 2024-05-24 decay -1.3 32.2 E180 silent
E181 2024-05-31 decay -1.3 30.9 E181 silent
E182 2024-06-07 decay -1.2 29.7 E182 silent
E183 2024-06-14 decay -1.2 28.5 E183 silent
E184 2024-06-20 decay -1.1 27.4 E184 silent
E185 2024-06-29 decay -1.1 26.3 E185 silent
E186 2024-07-04 decay -1.1 25.2 E186 silent
E187 2024-07-12 decay -1.0 24.2 E187 silent
E188 2024-07-19 decay -1.0 23.2 E188 silent
E189 2024-07-26 decay -0.9 22.3 E189 silent
E190 2024-08-02 decay -0.9 21.4 E190 silent
E191 2024-08-09 decay -0.9 20.6 E191 silent
E192 2024-08-16 decay -0.8 19.7 E192 silent
E193 2024-08-23 decay -0.8 18.9 E193 silent
E194 2024-08-30 decay -0.8 18.2 E194 silent
E195 2024-09-06 decay -0.7 17.5 E195 silent
E196 2024-09-20 reinforce +14.9 32.3 E196 Sacks support x3
E196 2024-09-20 reinforce +10.2 42.5 E196 Chamath support x2
E196 2024-09-20 reinforce +8.6 51.1 E196 Jason support x2
E197 2024-09-27 decay -2.0 49.1 E197 silent
E198 2024-10-03 decay -2.0 47.1 E198 silent
E199 2024-10-11 decay -1.9 45.2 E199 silent
E200 2024-10-18 reinforce +9.9 55.1 E200 Friedberg support x3 (flipped from oppose)
E200 2024-10-18 reinforce +8.1 63.2 E200 Sacks support x3
E201 2024-10-25 decay -2.5 60.6 E201 silent
E202 2024-11-01 decay -2.4 58.2 E202 silent
E203 2024-11-08 decay -2.3 55.9 E203 silent
E204 2024-11-16 reversal -33.5 22.4 E204 Sacks flips
E205 2024-11-23 decay -0.9 21.5 E205 silent
E206 2024-12-07 decay -0.9 20.6 E206 silent
E207 2024-12-13 decay -0.8 19.8 E207 silent