E81: All-In Summit: Bill Gurley & Brad Gerstner on markets, downturns & investment strategy

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Chamath

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Sacks

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All-In Summit stage session — the "BG Squared panel" — with Bill Gurley and Brad Gerstner on stage being interviewed by all four besties (Jason MC'ing, Friedberg doing most of the questioning, Chamath probing on governance and distributions, Sacks quiet for the first 28 minutes and teased for it). Gerstner brought a chart deck and the highest-conviction macro call of the episode: inflation has peaked and is rolling over, built bottom-up off used cars ($29k with two sequential monthly declines), the home-affordability index ($350k of house in December, $240k today), airline tickets, ten-year-low consumer confidence and the TIPS breakevens Bernanke told everyone to follow — "I don't think you should believe the hyperinflation narrative" — landing on inflation-fades-breakevens-2021 eight days before it dies, and cutting against both the stagflation thesis and the us-boom-2022 annual prediction (his own demand-destruction evidence is a slowdown call, and he opposed us-boom at E73 too). His framing throughout: rates are the iron law (100bp = 15-20% of multiple), Fed neutral of 2-3% versus 6.5% in 2000, $15 trillion of household net worth destroyed in five months, "the Fed has done exactly what it wanted to do. It ruined all the SPACs" — back on trend, so re-underwrite everything to the five-year average and pretend you never saw 2021 prices. Real disclosed money, which is why this episode matters: Altimeter distributed over $6 billion last year, more than all the venture it raised in its first five funds, not because he soured on Unity or Snowflake but because the 2-3x-in-three-years framework triggered — while the hedge fund "hasn't sold a share of Snowflake," a straight reinforcement of his own E73 snowflake-grows-through-derating call; he will not touch a 75x ARR Tiger deal ("they would have to pry the dollar out of my fucking hand with a crowbar"); he expects most of the quarter-trillion of dry powder to be spent by LBO shops ("Thoma Bravo and all these guys") over three years, not by VCs; and on where markets go, "we will be higher for growth stocks this time next year. But we may very well get there by way of lower and potentially meaningfully lower" — consistent with his E73 oppose of Chamath's eighth-inning thesis, which Chamath himself reversed at E75. Gurley delivered the structural bear case: venture is a sawtooth not a sine curve (Howard Marks: "cyclical collapse is built into the structure"), risk-on ran 2009 to five months ago and risk-off took five months, the 2020 Fed rescue "tool is not in toolbox anymore," and post-2001 liquidity didn't return until 2005-06, so the long-window drought and the committed-but-uncalled capital (nobody who put two-thirds of a fund into crypto is calling Harvard and Penn for more) keep the late-stage market shut. Then the surprise, at the very end: "I'm very excited about public stocks here, actually... the valuations are getting super interesting" — the loudest bear in venture turning constructive on listed equities, a fresh voice on the eighth-inning idea opposite Gerstner. Chamath was table-pounding on the marks reset (the public-market buyer of last resort "has said, no mas... It's worth 5.6 times," and it's "borderline idiotic for anybody with organized capital right now to be ripping money in"), floated Instacart's $40B getting reset to $24B, retold the Slack hold-then-panic-distribute 50% loss as the reason he now distributes everything liquid, and made the episode's other big positioning disclosure: Social Capital has spent 18 months moving into hard assets — "Lithium mines... sweating a mine in India... sending our CFO and a partner to go and make sure the mine exists" — which is his own battery-metals-supercycle annual prediction now backed with deployed capital and organizational effort. Sacks, in his four turns, disclosed that Craft distributed gains over the past six months and paid back its whole first fund, but sat on roughly $120 million of a single position in fund two that he still believes in and still holds: "that was like a hundred million dollar mistake." Jason contributed the NFT mirage line (assets with no underlying value got exacerbated by the same liquidity) and the Twitter-at-8,000-employees bloat rant; Friedberg stayed in pure interviewer mode and made no directional call, only the structural point that a huge share of venture is semiconductors, hardware and biotech rather than software. One new idea: subsidy-growth-playbook-dies-2022, off the closing segment where Gerstner contrasts Uber finally showing network effects in the print (and admits he and Jason "may have a little something on the line" on it) with Lyft guiding to *more* coupons, Chamath's consumer-surplus critique of subsidized rides and food delivery, and Gurley's verdict that of 50 entrepreneurs who try the negative-unit-economics trick, 49 auger in. No reversals. LABEL WARNING: this transcript's diarization is corrupted four ways and every attribution here is content-based — label "David Sacks" is actually CHAMATH ("you said, Chamath, this is the single greatest salesman I've ever met" at 34:53; "our company's history, at Facebook's history" at 41:49; the lithium mines; "guys like me and Brad"), label "Friedberg" (4 turns) is actually SACKS (early Facebook holder, Craft fund I/II, addressed as "David" by Gerstner at 37:00), label "Friedrich" (18 turns) is FRIEDBERG, and labels "Chamath Palihapitiya" (46) plus "Jason Calacanis" (8) are both JASON, split across two buckets ("Jade and I were watching WeCrashed" at 35:24; the 25:22/25:32 question continues across both labels). Gurley and Gerstner are the only correctly labelled speakers.