E53

E53: Wealth tax, inflation as a capital allocator, big tech earnings, paternity leave & more

2021-10-30 spoken.md · speaker-labeled ▶ watch ← E52 all episodes E54 →

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ideas born
13
ideas moved
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captures · 4 voices
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dissenting
+156.7
conviction added
-83.5
decay · 85 silent

Every number here is replayed from score_events — the same ledger the pool ranks on. Decay is what the 85 ideas nobody mentioned gave up this week; it applies only when an episode is processed.

Tier crossings

conviction thresholds crossed by this episode — 65 / 45 / 15 · ideas born here show where they landed. why 65 isn't always green

▲ +18.4 🏛️ Biden's 39.6% capital gains hike does not become law watch green threshold 52.9 → 71.2 still watch — green gate not met
▲ +52.6 🪙 Meme coins are a blow-off top — take chips off the table born at watch 52.6
▲ +21.9 🤖 Apple's privacy push blows up the Google/Facebook ad model dormant ember 9.8 → 31.7
▲ +29.3 📈 Asset-light mega-cap software is the inflation hedge born at ember 29.3
▼ -19.7 🏦 Inflation may not show up — breakevens are rolling over ember dormant 32.8 → 13.1

Who moved the board

each voice's force on conviction this episodesupports and opposes, weighted exactly as the replay applied them · share = % of this episode's movement

Chamath
Chamath
10 captures · 46% of movement · 1 idea born
+83.5 / -29.7 → net +53.8
Sacks
Sacks
6 captures · 34% of movement · 1 idea born
+69.7 / -13.9 → net +55.8
Friedberg
Friedberg
4 captures · 13% of movement
+32.3 → net +32.3
Jason
Jason
2 captures · 6% of movement
+14.7 → net +14.7

What got argued (13 ideas)

ordered by how hard each idea moved · quotes are verbatim from the transcript, timestamps deep-link into the episode

NEW cg:shiba-inu 🪙 Meme coins are a blow-off top — take chips off the table closed 8 ▲ +52.6 0.0 → 52.6

The parabolic meme-coin wallets (an $8K Shiba Inu position turned into $5.7B in 400 days) are a bubble marker rather than a new normal, so concentrated life-changing gains in Shiba Inu and Dogecoin should be partially sold and diversified. Sacks explicitly amends his own standing 'let your winners ride' advice; he still allows that the broader boom could run for years, so the call is de-risking the meme cohort, not shorting crypto outright.

plays cg:shiba-inu ·primary cg:dogecoin evals 2022-10-30
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 sentiment ▶ 50:46
And so, you know, I was talking to Nat about this and I was telling her these these examples and she's like, that's what sounds like a bubble.
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 57:57
He said, listen, if you're out there listening and you're sitting on life-changing money, then Shiba Inu, sell. Take it off the table if you can. ... I'm amending my advice of let your winners ride to take some chips off the table prudently.
NEW GOOGL 📈 Asset-light mega-cap software is the inflation hedge closed 0 CONTESTED ▲ +29.3 0.0 → 29.3

The way to stay long growth while hedging inflation is a spread inside big tech: own the asset-light, supply-chain-immune compounders (Google, Microsoft) against the names whose cost base runs through physical goods and logistics (Apple, Amazon, Facebook). Chamath relays an institutional allocator running exactly this book at scale, and points at the Q3 2021 prints as the evidence — Apple and Amazon both flagged huge supply-chain problems and Amazon missed, while Google and Microsoft printed record margins. Note this is the OPPOSITE of the 2021 consensus rotation call that inflation sends capital out of software and into asset-heavy value and commodities. The short leg is deliberately not listed as a play so the scorer only ever reads the long side.

plays GOOGL ·primary MSFT evals 2022-10-30
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:02:41
they basically went long Google and Microsoft, and they shorted Apple, Amazon and Facebook against it. ... And I asked them why, and they said, it's the best inflation hedge we could come up with at massive scale that could work in a way where we're long growth, but we're hedged where the types of supply constraints that could come in and kick us in the ass would never affect Microsoft and Google the same way that it would affect Apple and Amazon
META 🤖 Apple's privacy push blows up the Google/Facebook ad model closed 54 ▲ +21.9 9.8 → 31.7
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:12:27
For example, this Apple, you know, ad revenue business, I think, is climbing by billions of dollars while Facebook's core business is being affected by the cookie tracking policy change on Apple iOS.
TLT 🏦 Inflation may not show up — breakevens are rolling over closed 19 CONTESTED ▼ -19.7 32.8 → 13.1
Chamath
Chamath reversal ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 34:44
The thing that I have struggled with the most in these last few weeks is trying to come to a conclusion on inflation. My worry is that it's here and it will be persistent. ... And so I think what we've created is a really distortive inflationary cycle that's going to really hurt the United States because as Sacks talked about, we cannot print enough money to pay for the debt when interest rates go up.
SPY 🏛️ Biden's 39.6% capital gains hike does not become law closed 60 ▲ +18.4 52.9 → 71.2
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 19:21
files a lawsuit the day after it's passed and takes it to the Supreme Court, which will get heard. And, you know, this conservative Supreme Court would not have allowed this this tax to stand. You can't target 700 people. ... And that's really what we stopped was an important slippery slope. And then in its place, I think, is a tax that is fair.
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 27:41
They've never had committee markups on it. It's been tried and repealed in European countries. And like you said, they pull it down at the 11th hour.
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 28:48
I'll say it's really important to note the market is telling Congress something here. ... And so, you know, where they end up here, I think regardless, it's going to end up needing to be some sort of reconciliation on spending to make this all work.
TLT 🏦 Fed and ECB are in a much tighter posture a year from now closed 45 CONTESTED ▲ +13.1 16.9 → 30.0
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction 18mo horizon ▶ 45:25
And if the Fed stops tapering and, you know, hikes rates two or three times over the next 12 or 18 months, man, this is an ugly, ugly stock market.
DBC 🌍 Stimulus trillions show up as real inflation (and CPI has been understating it) closed 41 CONTESTED ▲ +12.6 70.2 → 82.7
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 42:20
the psychology of managers and business owners and boards is such that they're saying, let's get ahead of the curve, let's raise rates. And as a result, you're seeing the trickling effect of inflation throughout the whole economy.
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 43:53
Now, I don't think we're going to have hyperinflation here, but we're at 5.1% now. And if people think it's going to be worse next year, and the Fed's not going to raise rates, it could even be higher next year.
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 45:25
It's not as if the inflation stops at 50,000 bucks a year. Everybody's wages rise. Consistent and persistent wage inflation will allow you to spend more because that's just what people do. ... The downstream implication is I think that prices will rise, but it will disproportionately hurt the middle class and the lower middle class.
ARKK 📈 Rising rates de-rate high-multiple growth stocks closed 65 CONTESTED ▲ +7.7 49.0 → 56.7
Chamath
Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction 18mo horizon ▶ 45:25
And then these asset bubbles will probably deflate or they'll have to get rerated. ... And if the Fed stops tapering and, you know, hikes rates two or three times over the next 12 or 18 months, man, this is an ugly, ugly stock market.
GLD 🌍 Debt-service trap: the Fed can't really fight inflation, so we monetize and debase closed 44 CONTESTED ▲ +7.0 65.5 → 72.5
Sacks
Sacks support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 47:39
Now, today, the government debt is 125 percent of GDP. So if, and this goes back to the Druckenmiller point from a previous pod, if the Fed were to jack up interest rates to say the historical norm of 4.9 percent, debt service would go from 2 percent of the federal budget to 30 percent. You would have a massive crowding out of government programs.
QQQ 🤖 Own the top 30% of global tech and hold it five to ten years closed 6 CONTESTED ▲ +6.4 84.6 → 91.0
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 54:59
And then you have these companies that are just so superb. ... And I'm talking about Microsoft, Google, Apple and Facebook, that now trade in many cases at some pretty deep discounts to their intrinsic value.
Jason
Jason support ×2 sentiment ▶ 58:47
when you saw these quarterly earnings, there is no better business in the world than Google. ... Single-handedly par excellence, the most incredible money making machine that's ever been created, and a close second, as it turns out, is Microsoft.
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 59:28
Literally, the most vertically integrated business in history with a moat that no one will ever be able to catch up on. ... If you look at YouTube in the quarter, YouTube generated, this is insanity, YouTube is now operating at a nearly $30 billion revenue run rate.
cg:ethereum 🪙 Everything with a title gets blockchained closed 32 ▲ +4.8 59.6 → 64.5
Chamath
Chamath support ×1 sentiment ▶ 1:14:55
when you look at things like Axie Infinity, where, you know, there are play to earn movements that are happening in sort of this, you know, layer three kind of DeFi world where you're getting paid to basically, you know, play games, that could be a job. And then you will spend eight to 10 hours in a metaverse of some sort.
IGV 🤖 SaaS pricing power expands as category winners entrench closed 15 CONTESTED ▲ +3.9 10.0 → 13.9
Chamath
Chamath oppose ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 54:59
there are these businesses that have, I would say, interesting products that are growing well, but they may not actually be very important companies, yet they trade at enormous valuations. ... This is why I think there are some great businesses in SaaS, but I also think there's a lot of head fakes.
Sacks
Sacks support ×3 positioning ▶ 56:25
so I believe in my own portfolio, and I'm doubling down on all these companies, and I do believe in SaaS. ... So I am a believer in SaaS, but when I see everything going so well, it's SaaS and NASDAQ and S&P and crypto.
META 🏛️ Facebook Files become a tobacco-style liability event closed 4 CONTESTED ▼ -1.3 29.6 → 28.4
Sacks
Sacks oppose ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:07:00
it felt to me a little bit like Philip Morris changing his name to Altria Group. And by the way, I don't buy the idea that Facebook is like cigarettes. I don't believe that at all. I don't think it's bad for people in the way that it's been hyped up to be.
Jason
Jason support ×2 sentiment 24mo horizon ▶ 1:08:28
they're losing young people at an extraordinary rate on Facebook. US teenagers were projected to decrease by 45% over the next two years.

Episode digest

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LABEL ANOMALY FIRST — this file is a confirmed MERGE: Chamath is unmistakably on the episode (he has a newborn on his chest on camera, Sacks says "I love what Chamath just said" at 12:06 and "you're letting Chamath win sweeps weeks" at 9:24) yet has ZERO labelled turns. Roster count: Jason 82, Sacks 59, Friedberg 37, Chamath 0. Every Chamath segment is inside the "Jason Calacanis" label, so all nine Chamath captures here were re-attributed from content. Receipts: the 4:18 Jason turn says "Nat had to do, frankly, all of this by herself" and "As you guys know, I'm from Canada" (Nat Zilkha is Chamath's partner; Jason is from Brooklyn); the 9:56 turn contains "But Jason, here, can I say something?" and Sacks then credits it to Chamath; the 19:21 turn runs six minutes and contains its own handoff, "Chamath, your point. I have two points to make", plus "2007 at Facebook... I was in charge of HR"; Sacks at 36:20 says "5.1% to Chamath's point, it might be persistent", which locks the whole 34:44 inflation monologue to Chamath; and the 1:02:41 turn opens "I was going to say, Jason, to your point". Sacks and Friedberg fingerprints check out clean (Sacks: Craft fund II, Yammer's 1-to-7-to-tripled trajectory, PayPal-mafia register; Friedberg: wife Allison, "I worked at Google and Urs is still there", the science/first-principles register). MARKET CONTENT. The headline event is Chamath's inflation REVERSAL. He birthed the stimulus-drives-inflation thread back in E27, then flipped dovish in E34 and E40 ("the breakevens have come down, duration is safe"); here he flips back hard and on the record — "The thing that I have struggled with the most in these last few weeks... My worry is that it's here and it will be persistent" — and pairs it with the sharpest rates-to-equities call of the era: "if the Fed stops tapering and hikes rates two or three times over the next 12 or 18 months, man, this is an ugly, ugly stock market." That is Oct 30 2021, three days before the Fed announced the taper and about three weeks before the growth-stock top, so it scores beautifully. Sacks reinforces on both legs — he was an inflation SKEPTIC in E27 and is now fully converted ("we're at 5.1%... it could even be higher next year") — and adds the Volcker-vs-today framing that is the real reason the Fed is trapped: debt was 31% of GDP under Reagan and is 125% now, so a 4.9% policy rate takes federal debt service from 2% to 30% of the budget. "The rock is we have inflation that could be persistent. The hard place is the debt service." He flags that himself as "the Druckenmiller point from a previous pod", which is E51 two weeks earlier, so it is captured as a straight reinforcement of the E51 debt-service-trap idea rather than the much older E24 fiscal-crunch idea. Note also that Sacks OPPOSED the E51 Fed-tightens-sooner idea, and he stays consistent here — his higher-inflation-next-year call is explicitly conditioned on "the Fed's not going to raise rates", which is the opposite premise to Chamath's, so the two of them are now bearish on inflation for opposite policy reasons. Friedberg supplies the transmission mechanism from the corporate side — managers pre-emptively raising prices because supply gluts have killed the competitive discipline that would normally punish it. The title's "inflation as a capital allocator" is the negative-real-rate argument: 1.6% ten-year against 5.1% CPI is minus 3.5% real, so savers are shoved up the risk curve into stocks, NFTs, houses and dog coins, and that is what all-time-highs-in-everything actually is. The one genuinely NEW and tradeable expression of it is Chamath relaying an institutional allocator's spread — long Google and Microsoft, short Apple, Amazon and Facebook — as "the best inflation hedge we could come up with at massive scale", because supply-chain cost shocks cannot touch pure software. That is the exact inverse of the 2021 consensus rotation-into-asset-heavy-value call, and the Q3 prints backed it: Apple and Amazon both flagged supply-chain damage and Amazon missed, while Google grew revenue 41% to $65B at ~50% incremental EBITDA and Microsoft passed Apple as the most valuable company. New idea #2 is the meme-coin de-risk: after the $8K-to-$5.7B Shiba wallet and the Singapore billionaire who made $7B on short-dated Tesla calls, Chamath tells Nat it "sounds like a bubble" and Sacks explicitly AMENDS his own long-standing "let your winners ride" advice to "take some chips off the table prudently" and names Shiba Inu as the sell. SHIB had topped three days earlier. On big tech quality, Friedberg delivers the most table-pounding Google monologue in the archive (vertical integration, own fiber across oceans, YouTube at a $30B run rate now bigger than Netflix and growing 40-60% vs Netflix's 22%, Cloud at $20B, "a moat that no one will ever be able to catch up on"), Jason calls Google the best business in the world with Microsoft second, and Chamath says MSFT/GOOGL/AAPL/FB all trade at deep discounts to intrinsic value — three fresh mentions reinforcing Gerstner's E29 best-in-class-tech idea. What got TRASHED: the billionaire/wealth tax, unanimously. Chamath's read is that it dies — the conservative Supreme Court "would not have allowed this tax to stand", "you can't target 700 people", and it gets replaced by a simple AGI surtax; his funniest structural point is that as written it hit Democratic billionaires (public-market wealth) and let the Kochs (private entities) pay nothing. Sacks trashes the process (no hearings, no markups, an 11th-hour scramble after Sinema killed the rate increases: "these guys are like burglars, rummaging through the house"), Friedberg brings the France precedent (25% of millionaire households emigrated 2000-2016, revenue lost exceeded revenue raised, wealth tax scrapped) and reads the market as vetoing the spending. Also trashed: Chamath on high-multiple SaaS as "a lot of head fakes" and "histrionic behavior that I think embellishes the end of a bubble" — directly against Sacks, who is the only bestie still leaning in and DISCLOSES it ("I believe in my own portfolio, and I'm doubling down on all these companies", 100x ARR is the rule of thumb, Craft fund II from 2019 already has five unicorns). Sacks also re-opposes the Facebook-as-tobacco thesis for the second episode running, harder this time: the Meta rename "felt to me a little bit like Philip Morris changing his name to Altria Group", but "I don't buy the idea that Facebook is like cigarettes", the whistleblower leaks are "a completely orchestrated political hit", and "the dangers of social networking have been vastly exaggerated". Against him, Friedberg lands the cleanest bear datapoint of the week — Apple's own ad business is climbing by billions while ATT/cookie changes eat Facebook's core revenue and nobody has visibility into how much — and Jason cites the leaked internal projection of US teens down 45% over two years. DISCLOSED POSITIONS / NON-DISCLOSURES: Sacks' SaaS book is disclosed and being added to; Chamath explicitly REFUSES to answer the "what's your strategy right now" round — "I'm not going to answer this question. And you know why? Because I can't... Because of the public market" — which is a notable silence from the guy who just called for an ugly stock market. NOT CAPTURED: the entire paternity-leave/Joe Lonsdale opening (~19 min, not tradeable), the Chappelle cancellation postscript, the metaverse-rant vs AR-vs-VR debate (Jason's "Apple skipped VR on purpose, Microsoft has the biggest AR lead" is directional but names no scorable instrument on a 12-month clock), Sacks' "housing prices will inflate away" aside (real but no clean home; the existing housing idea is a builder-supply thesis), and Chamath's "midterms will be a bloodbath" prediction (pure politics). JUDGMENT CALLS A REVIEWER SHOULD SECOND-GUESS: (1) the 58:47 "no better business in the world than Google" turn is attributed to JASON, not Chamath — "par excellence" reads like Chamath, but the turn continues Jason's own preceding "to diversify specifically" exchange, refers to Friedberg in the third person while teeing up his monologue, and reads stats like a moderator. If it is actually Chamath it dedupes into his 54:59 mention and Jason loses one. (2) Chamath's 1:02:41 spread trade is a THIRD PARTY's book that he relays approvingly with his own mechanism reasoning, not a disclosed personal position — tiered explicit_prediction s2 rather than positioning. (3) The Axie Infinity play-to-earn aside is attached to the E26 DeFi idea at strength 1; it is a thin fit and a reviewer could reasonably drop it. (4) Sacks' meme-coin call is hedged in both directions in the same breath ("this boom could last another five or ten years"), which is why it is strength 2 not 3. (5) The closest duplicate call in the file is meme-coin-blowoff-de-risk-2021 against E50's crypto-token-speculation-loses-2021 (also bearish crypto, also about retail losing on the long tail). They were kept separate because the primary instruments differ and the information is instrument-level: the scorable fact here is that Sacks said SELL SHIBA INU three days after its all-time high, and scoring that on E50's cg:cardano primary would erase it. check_batch's own cross-batch duplicate detector, run over E1-E53 with both present, did not flag the pair. (6) Chamath's single 45:25 sentence feeds two ideas (the Fed-hikes-2-or-3-times leg to E51's fed-ecb-tighter, the ugly-stock-market leg to E32's growth-stocks-derate) because it genuinely makes both claims; a reviewer who thinks that double-counts conviction should drop the growth-stocks-derate one.