🏛️ Oct-7 derails Israel-Saudi normalization and reprices regional risk
The Hamas attack's strategic objective was to break the Abraham-Accords track, and it worked: the near-final Israel-Saudi normalization goes on hold and no wider Middle East deal happens until the Palestinian question is addressed. The risk-premium compression that came with normalization reverses across Israeli and Gulf assets.
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CONVICTION
peaked 56.5 WATCH
EMBER
band · contested
▼ SHORT EIS
expression · bearish politics-market
WRONG
result · return -38.3% · vs SPY -74.4%
2024-10-13
born 2023-10-13 (E149) → window closed
⚖ Why this result
fully deterministic — computed from daily closes on the scoring date; nothing below is editable or hand-set
- Window: 2023-10-13 → 2024-10-13 — first mention + 12-month horizon, then the window locks.
- The call: ▼ SHORT EIS (primary play). EIS rose 38.3% over the window → return (sign flipped for a SHORT) = -38.3% (the call lost money).
- Benchmark: holding SPY over the same window returned +36.1%
→ vs SPY = -38.3 − (+36.1) = -74.4%
— what this call made or lost against just owning the index. This is the number the result uses.
Direction-only read: -2.2% — did EIS move the predicted way relative to the market. The two only differ on a SHORT: this call was right about direction relative to the index but still cost money versus holding it.
- Rule fired:
· RIGHT — return ≥ +10% AND beat SPY by 5+· HALF — return ≥ +5% OR beat SPY at all▶ WRONG — everything else
- Credit: supporters of a WRONG earn 0 each, opposers the opposite — this feeds the scoreboard. supported: Sacks | opposed: Chamath, Jason
Conviction timeline
bands: green ≥ 65 · watch ≥ 45 · ember ≥ 15
Plays vs SPY · % since first mention (2023-10-13)
Plays
Mention log newest first
Sacks
politics-market 48% · n=87
· E190 (2024-08-02) · sentiment · strength 2
▶ 47:25
SUPPORT
“I mean, Israel went into Gaza, basically leveled the place, and has alienated practically the entire world. The only country that's solidly with Israel anymore is the United States. And even within the United States, roughly half the people are now against Israel.”
Sacks
politics-market 48% · n=87
· E161 (2024-01-13) · explicit_prediction · strength 3
▶ 1:28
SUPPORT
“I don't think this is going to have any impact other than to escalate the conflict in the Middle East and put us on a path to war with Iran ... I think that's where this is all headed, is a larger war in the Middle East that features the US and Israel going to war with Iran.”
Jason
politics-market 49% · n=61
· E158 (2023-12-23) · sentiment · strength 2
▶ 26:04
OPPOSE
“There are a group of people with an agenda, which is to modernize the economies there, to move off-petro and to move into technology and to move into hospitality with the Neon Project ... And that's not going to get derailed. And those are the most powerful, deep-pocketed influential forces there.”
Sacks
politics-market 48% · n=87
· E158 (2023-12-23) · explicit_prediction · strength 2
▶ 23:30
SUPPORT
“The problem they have is that the Houthis aren't going to stop doing what they're doing until Israel's war in Gaza stops. And Netanyahu, just in the last 24 hours, made it clear that Israel won't stop fighting.”
Chamath
politics-market 51% · n=95
· E158 (2023-12-23) · explicit_prediction · strength 3
▶ 19:55
OPPOSE
“I think the positive take on this is that it actually puts the Middle East in a position to resolve all of these things. ... I suspect that both of these two hot wars get resolved quickly because the larger multi-decade implications for the Middle East are too big to let it be subsumed by the Houthi rebels or Hamas.”
Jason
politics-market 49% · n=61
· E150 (2023-10-20) · explicit_prediction · strength 2
▶ 35:10
SUPPORT
“And at risk of the other agreements maybe being ripped up because if Israel goes in and has a massive ground invasion and there's more suffering and death, that that will maybe blow all those accords up.”
Sacks
politics-market 48% · n=87
· E150 (2023-10-20) · explicit_prediction · strength 3
▶ 34:37
SUPPORT
“there was a process of normalization happening between Israel and a number of these Arab states, and we talked about it last week, that Jared Kushner set this in motion. There were three or four deals that were signed between Israel and the Gulf Arab states, bringing about normal relations. And Saudi Arabia was on the table as being the next one. There was a effort underway to negotiate a normalization of relations between Israel and Saudi Arabia that is now completely on ice.”
Sacks
politics-market 48% · n=87
· E149 (2023-10-13) · explicit_prediction · strength 2
▶ 17:17
SUPPORT
“The big news that has been going on in the last few months is that supposedly Israel and Saudi Arabia were close to working out some sort of normalization. And I think that process has been put on hold until I think this has been dealt with. ... I don't think we're going to get to a larger deal in the Middle East. We're not going to resolve all these problems until this long festering problem of the treatment of the Palestinians is dealt with.”
Jason
politics-market 49% · n=61
· E149 (2023-10-13) · explicit_prediction · strength 2
▶ 15:01
OPPOSE
“But I'm an optimist, and I actually think that in some ways, this is going to create a climate where people are going to really fight to try to resolve this situation, or at least contain the situation. Two-State Solution, the Abraham Accords. And I think this is going to renew people's commitment to peace in the region.”
Who built this conviction
each voice's total push on the score, in conviction points across every mention — supports and opposes · share = % of all mention-driven movement
⏳ decay drained -38.4 over the idea's life — that's time passing, attributed to no one
Score events
| episode | kind | Δ | after | note |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| E149 2023-10-13 | init | +35.0 | 35.0 | E149 born by Sacks (explicit_prediction x2) |
| E149 2023-10-13 | reinforce | +14.6 | 49.6 | E149 Chamath support x2 (new voice) |
| E149 2023-10-13 | oppose | -12.0 | 37.6 | E149 Jason opposes x2 |
| E150 2023-10-20 | reinforce | +11.2 | 48.9 | E150 Sacks support x3 |
| E150 2023-10-20 | reinforce | +7.7 | 56.5 | E150 Jason support x2 (flipped from oppose) |
| E151 2023-10-27 | decay | -2.3 | 54.3 | E151 silent |
| E152 2023-11-03 | decay | -2.2 | 52.1 | E152 silent |
| E156 2023-12-08 | decay | -2.1 | 50.0 | E156 silent |
| E157 2023-12-16 | decay | -2.0 | 48.0 | E157 silent |
| E158 2023-12-23 | oppose | -14.4 | 33.6 | E158 Chamath opposes x3 |
| E158 2023-12-23 | reinforce | +10.0 | 43.6 | E158 Sacks support x2 |
| E158 2023-12-23 | oppose | -12.0 | 31.6 | E158 Jason opposes x2 |
| E159 2023-12-29 | decay | -1.3 | 30.3 | E159 silent |
| E160 2024-01-06 | decay | -1.2 | 29.1 | E160 silent |
| E161 2024-01-13 | reinforce | +12.8 | 41.9 | E161 Sacks support x3 |
| E161 2024-01-13 | oppose | -12.0 | 29.9 | E161 Chamath opposes x2 |
| E162 2024-01-19 | decay | -1.2 | 28.7 | E162 silent |
| E163 2024-01-26 | decay | -1.1 | 27.5 | E163 silent |
| E164 2024-02-02 | decay | -1.1 | 26.4 | E164 silent |
| E165 2024-02-09 | decay | -1.1 | 25.4 | E165 silent |
| E166 2024-02-16 | decay | -1.0 | 24.3 | E166 silent |
| E167 2024-02-23 | decay | -1.0 | 23.4 | E167 silent |
| E168 2024-03-01 | decay | -0.9 | 22.4 | E168 silent |
| E169 2024-03-08 | decay | -0.9 | 21.5 | E169 silent |
| E170 2024-03-15 | decay | -0.9 | 20.7 | E170 silent |
| E171 2024-03-22 | decay | -0.8 | 19.8 | E171 silent |
| E172 2024-03-29 | decay | -0.8 | 19.1 | E172 silent |
| E173 2024-04-05 | decay | -0.8 | 18.3 | E173 silent |
| E174 2024-04-12 | decay | -0.7 | 17.6 | E174 silent |
| E175 2024-04-19 | decay | -0.7 | 16.9 | E175 silent |
| E176 2024-04-26 | decay | -0.7 | 16.2 | E176 silent |
| E177 2024-05-03 | decay | -0.6 | 15.5 | E177 silent |
| E178 2024-05-10 | decay | -0.6 | 14.9 | E178 silent |
| E179 2024-05-17 | decay | -0.6 | 14.3 | E179 silent |
| E180 2024-05-24 | decay | -0.6 | 13.7 | E180 silent |
| E181 2024-05-31 | decay | -0.5 | 13.2 | E181 silent |
| E182 2024-06-07 | decay | -0.5 | 12.7 | E182 silent |
| E183 2024-06-14 | decay | -0.5 | 12.2 | E183 silent |
| E184 2024-06-20 | decay | -0.5 | 11.7 | E184 silent |
| E185 2024-06-29 | decay | -0.5 | 11.2 | E185 silent |
| E186 2024-07-04 | decay | -0.4 | 10.8 | E186 silent |
| E187 2024-07-12 | decay | -0.4 | 10.3 | E187 silent |
| E188 2024-07-19 | decay | -0.4 | 9.9 | E188 silent |
| E189 2024-07-26 | decay | -0.4 | 9.5 | E189 silent |
| E190 2024-08-02 | reinforce | +13.6 | 23.1 | E190 Sacks support x2 |
| E191 2024-08-09 | decay | -0.9 | 22.2 | E191 silent |
| E192 2024-08-16 | decay | -0.9 | 21.3 | E192 silent |
| E193 2024-08-23 | decay | -0.9 | 20.4 | E193 silent |
| E194 2024-08-30 | decay | -0.8 | 19.6 | E194 silent |
| E195 2024-09-06 | decay | -0.8 | 18.8 | E195 silent |
| E196 2024-09-20 | decay | -0.8 | 18.1 | E196 silent |
| E197 2024-09-27 | decay | -0.7 | 17.4 | E197 silent |
| E198 2024-10-03 | decay | -0.7 | 16.7 | E198 silent |
| E199 2024-10-11 | decay | -0.7 | 16.0 | E199 silent |