📈 Trade the second-order cost of immersive tech, not Apple's revenue
Chamath concedes Vision Pro will be a revenue success but argues the returns are the same if you skip Apple and buy the consequences: if ever-more-immersive computing keeps correlating with youth depression, SSRI and cannabis use, and collapsing marriage and birth rates, then the antidepressant makers, cannabis names and dating apps get the same economics as being long the device maker. Explicitly framed by him as a spread trade.
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CONVICTION
peaked 43.1 EMBER
EMBER
band · contested
▲ LONG MTCH
expression · bullish equities
WRONG
result · return -4.0% · vs SPY -25.4%
2025-02-09
born 2024-02-09 (E165) → window closed
⚖ Why this result
fully deterministic — computed from daily closes on the scoring date; nothing below is editable or hand-set
- Window: 2024-02-09 → 2025-02-09 — first mention + 12-month horizon, then the window locks.
- The call: ▲ LONG MTCH (primary play). MTCH fell 4.0% over the window → return (sign flipped for a SHORT) = -4.0% (the call lost money).
- Benchmark: holding SPY over the same window returned +21.4% → vs SPY = -4.0 − (+21.4) = -25.4% — what this call made or lost against just owning the index. This is the number the result uses.
- Rule fired:
· RIGHT — return ≥ +10% AND beat SPY by 5+· HALF — return ≥ +5% OR beat SPY at all▶ WRONG — everything else
- Credit: supporters of a WRONG earn 0 each, opposers the opposite — this feeds the scoreboard. supported: Chamath, Jason | opposed: Sacks
Conviction timeline
bands: green ≥ 65 · watch ≥ 45 · ember ≥ 15
Plays vs SPY · % since first mention (2024-02-09)
Plays
Mention log newest first
Chamath
equities 42% · n=163
· E212 (2025-01-25) · sentiment · strength 2
▶ 1:36:44
SUPPORT
“I went to the CDC and I said, well, show me the percentage of people, Americans taking SSRIs over that same period. For depression, anxiety, et cetera, and what you see that it's also gone up. And then the last chart, I went to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics and I said, what has happened to the labor participation rate over the same period?”
Chamath
equities 42% · n=163
· E165 (2024-02-09) · sentiment · strength 1
▶ 20:16
SUPPORT
“Not to say that it's not going to be a revenue generator, but I think that you could just as easily, frankly, instead of impacting Apple's revenues, you can probably go along the makers of SSRIs, pot, here comes a spread trade, pot, Bumble and Tinder, and you'll get to the same place economically.”
Who built this conviction
each voice's total push on the score, in conviction points across every mention — supports and opposes · share = % of all mention-driven movement
⏳ decay drained -37.7 over the idea's life — that's time passing, attributed to no one
Score events
| episode | kind | Δ | after | note |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| E165 2024-02-09 | init | +16.0 | 16.0 | E165 born by Chamath (sentiment x1) |
| E166 2024-02-16 | decay | -0.6 | 15.4 | E166 silent |
| E167 2024-02-23 | decay | -0.6 | 14.7 | E167 silent |
| E168 2024-03-01 | decay | -0.6 | 14.2 | E168 silent |
| E169 2024-03-08 | decay | -0.6 | 13.6 | E169 silent |
| E170 2024-03-15 | reinforce | +13.0 | 26.6 | E170 Chamath support x2 |
| E170 2024-03-15 | reinforce | +16.5 | 43.1 | E170 Jason support x2 (new voice) |
| E170 2024-03-15 | oppose | -12.0 | 31.1 | E170 Sacks opposes x2 |
| E171 2024-03-22 | decay | -1.2 | 29.8 | E171 silent |
| E172 2024-03-29 | decay | -1.2 | 28.6 | E172 silent |
| E173 2024-04-05 | decay | -1.1 | 27.5 | E173 silent |
| E174 2024-04-12 | decay | -1.1 | 26.4 | E174 silent |
| E175 2024-04-19 | reinforce | +11.0 | 37.4 | E175 Jason support x2 |
| E176 2024-04-26 | decay | -1.5 | 35.9 | E176 silent |
| E177 2024-05-03 | decay | -1.4 | 34.5 | E177 silent |
| E178 2024-05-10 | decay | -1.4 | 33.1 | E178 silent |
| E179 2024-05-17 | decay | -1.3 | 31.8 | E179 silent |
| E180 2024-05-24 | decay | -1.3 | 30.5 | E180 silent |
| E181 2024-05-31 | decay | -1.2 | 29.3 | E181 silent |
| E182 2024-06-07 | decay | -1.2 | 28.1 | E182 silent |
| E183 2024-06-14 | decay | -1.1 | 27.0 | E183 silent |
| E184 2024-06-20 | decay | -1.1 | 25.9 | E184 silent |
| E185 2024-06-29 | decay | -1.0 | 24.9 | E185 silent |
| E186 2024-07-04 | decay | -1.0 | 23.9 | E186 silent |
| E187 2024-07-12 | decay | -1.0 | 22.9 | E187 silent |
| E188 2024-07-19 | decay | -0.9 | 22.0 | E188 silent |
| E189 2024-07-26 | decay | -0.9 | 21.1 | E189 silent |
| E190 2024-08-02 | decay | -0.8 | 20.3 | E190 silent |
| E191 2024-08-09 | decay | -0.8 | 19.5 | E191 silent |
| E192 2024-08-16 | decay | -0.8 | 18.7 | E192 silent |
| E193 2024-08-23 | decay | -0.7 | 18.0 | E193 silent |
| E194 2024-08-30 | decay | -0.7 | 17.2 | E194 silent |
| E195 2024-09-06 | decay | -0.7 | 16.5 | E195 silent |
| E196 2024-09-20 | decay | -0.7 | 15.9 | E196 silent |
| E197 2024-09-27 | decay | -0.6 | 15.2 | E197 silent |
| E198 2024-10-03 | decay | -0.6 | 14.6 | E198 silent |
| E199 2024-10-11 | decay | -0.6 | 14.1 | E199 silent |
| E200 2024-10-18 | decay | -0.6 | 13.5 | E200 silent |
| E201 2024-10-25 | decay | -0.5 | 13.0 | E201 silent |
| E202 2024-11-01 | decay | -0.5 | 12.4 | E202 silent |
| E203 2024-11-08 | decay | -0.5 | 11.9 | E203 silent |
| E204 2024-11-16 | decay | -0.5 | 11.5 | E204 silent |
| E205 2024-11-23 | decay | -0.5 | 11.0 | E205 silent |
| E206 2024-12-07 | decay | -0.4 | 10.6 | E206 silent |
| E207 2024-12-13 | decay | -0.4 | 10.1 | E207 silent |
| E208 2024-12-20 | decay | -0.4 | 9.7 | E208 silent |
| E209 2025-01-04 | decay | -0.4 | 9.3 | E209 silent |
| E210 2025-01-11 | decay | -0.4 | 9.0 | E210 silent |
| E211 2025-01-18 | decay | -0.4 | 8.6 | E211 silent |
| E212 2025-01-25 | reinforce | +13.7 | 22.3 | E212 Chamath support x2 |
| E213 2025-01-31 | decay | -0.9 | 21.4 | E213 silent |
| E214 2025-02-07 | decay | -0.9 | 20.6 | E214 silent |