DOGE vs USAID, Crypto Framework, Google's $75B AI Spend, US Sovereign Wealth Fund, GLP-1s
2025-02-07 spoken.md · speaker-labeled ▶ watch ← E213 all episodes E215 →
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Tier crossings
conviction thresholds crossed by this episode — 65 / 45 / 15 · ideas born here show where they landed. why 65 isn't always green
Kill dates that landed since E213
0 hit · 0 partial · 4 miss — windows that closed after 2025-01-31 and up to 2025-02-07, auto-scored against price data and never hand-set. verdict · R · α
| idea | verdict | R | α | closed |
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| 📈 Startup mass extinction event in late 2023 and 2024 | MISS | -61.7% | -112.7 | 2025-02-04 |
| 📈 Venture debt's loss models break - deferred defaults land on the lenders | MISS | -78.5% | -129.5 | 2025-02-04 |
| 📈 Crony managerialism: debt-funded buybacks and EPS-linked comp produce marginal companies | MISS | -28.4% | -51.7 | 2025-02-02 |
| 🏛️ Delaware voiding Elon's package chills performance comp and drives charter flight | MISS | -115.3% | -138.6 | 2025-02-02 |
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What got argued (14 ideas)
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Trump's tax framework, unveiled live on this episode, pairs populist cuts (no tax on tips, overtime, senior social security) with closing the carried-interest deduction and the billionaire sports-team amortization break. Chamath's argument is that in a pro-labor Republican party no constituency will publicly defend carry's long-term capital-gains treatment, so it actually goes away - which compresses after-tax economics for fund managers and the listed alternative-asset managers that capitalize carry.
I mean, who's going to stand up and lay on the railroad tracks for being able to amortize a multi-billion dollar sports team purchase or that when you make a fund investment, you should get long-term cap gains treatment? Who is going to be that person in this? Nobody's going to stand up for these things.
Friedberg's read of a new St. Louis study mining anonymized VA records (1.2M untreated diabetics vs 215k on GLP-1 receptor agonists vs 600k on other diabetes drugs): the GLP-1 cohort shows large hazard-ratio reductions in cardiac arrest (-30%), shock, hepatic failure and respiratory failure, with the only increases in nausea/reflux/musculoskeletal complaints. He argues the mechanism is a gene-expression cascade off the receptor - inflammatory markers off, cellular-repair genes on - not weight loss itself, and that Lilly's phase-2/phase-3 programs across kidney, liver and mental-health indications will confirm it. If so the label and the addressable market expand far past obesity, and demand for the obesity-drug complex keeps compounding.
So this goes to the point, if you guys remember the interview I did a couple months ago with the CEO of Eli Lilly, that they have all these clinical trials going on right now for different indications for the GLP-1 receptor agonists, that they're seeing that there's health benefits beyond just the weight loss in reducing things like kidney disease, obviously liver problems, mental problems and so on.
how much do you think really long term when the long term studies are out is going to be that it was the drug or just that being obese is very bad for you?
I think it's kind of 10% of the budget is probably fraud. I think it might be low, actually. So you're talking about $650 billion, a trillion in waste. I think that's probably about right. That alone fixes the problem.
Let me up level this for a second. Okay, so we knew the US government runs a $2 trillion deficit every year. We're in debt, almost $40 trillion. And we also knew that anytime anyone tries to cut anything in Washington, the whole city screams bloody murder. Okay, so the question is just why? Well, now we know. The money is all going to them.
The other area is stable coins. And Senator Haggerty, he's on the banking committee. He just released a stable coin bill. There's counterparts in the House. And what the four chairmen indicated is actually they're going to take up stable coins first and then market structure will follow very quickly. So I think we could see a stable coin bill pass Congress in the next several months.
So the question, I think, after stable coins, which feels like a layup and a great place to start, that'll be a great early win. And it just makes people I guess that would just reinforce the dollar supremacy, right? If it's tied to the dollar, so that's good for America.
The bond markets were going up. The bond bond was going up a lot because people believe that you couldn't stop spending, creating inflation. You see those trading down now as DOGE is starting to take effect. People see it's real.
So I don't think it's over done and blown. I think this is going to be, as you guys have said before in the podcast, bigger than Industrial Revolution, but it's also true that you'd need to have a good ROIC.
What I think is going to happen is that you will have job loss, but the amount of productivity that will be released in the US economy is going to be extraordinary.
And I think what you see is that when economies get more and more evolved, you see the growth of services, businesses that are these things that can only happen when you have excess. The person that you pay for closet organizing would not have had a job in the turn of the agrarian revolution or the industrial revolution.
This was basically a statement of commitment from the chairs of the four committees that we're going to get legislation done this year, maybe in the next six months. I mean, that's really the goal. And we've never had that before. So that is pretty monumental.
people are waking up that return on invested capital and data centers will matter, that the models are basic commodities and super competitive. In the best case, it's kind of a land war in Asia, it's a melee. In the worst case, it's just total commodities.
I think it, for a different reason, is that we don't have an industrial policy in America. Many of our strategic competitors around the world, in particular China, have a long-term industrial policy, and they put enormous amounts of capital behind the industrial policy. A sovereign wealth fund, I think, would be a stealthy way to create industrial policy in America.
we literally have a rule here, government payor in those areas, if it's more than like a third of the business, we don't do it. And in the services space, this is why we found continuous fraud in the companies we're looking at investing in.
Episode digest
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Antonio Gracias (Valor, part-time inside DOGE) guests and all four hosts pile onto the USAID revelations: Antonio puts fraud at 10%+ of the federal budget ($650B-$1T), Chamath argues DOGE is the third iteration of Truman/Clinton-era audits and works this time because read-only access publishes in real time, Friedberg calls it zero-based budgeting on the federal government. Antonio also discloses Valor's standing rule to skip any business with more than a third of revenue from a government payor - a clean positioning receipt for the govt-services-DOGE short. Sacks calls in from the EEOB as sitting AI/crypto czar and puts dates on policy: four committee chairs committed to crypto market-structure legislation inside six months, a Hagerty stablecoin bill first, an SEC crypto task force under Hester Peirce replacing the Gensler honeypot regime - and, notably, he directly contradicts the export-controls-keep-China-off-the-frontier thesis, saying post-DeepSeek 'China has basically caught up.' On Google's $75B capex the pod took the bullish side against Chamath's own AI-capex-outruns-monetization thesis: Friedberg walked the depreciation history and the ROIC math ($27B incremental operating profit needed, under 20% of current) and called the spend a positive signal on the search-to-chat transition, Antonio said models are commodities and datacenter ROIC is the whole game, and Chamath softened to 'it's a disclosure issue - their model quality is the best.' Two new ideas coined: Chamath's call that the carried-interest deduction actually gets closed in Trump's just-unveiled tax framework because nobody will defend it, and Friedberg's VA-database read that GLP-1s cut cardiac arrest 30% and hepatic/respiratory failure through a gene-expression cascade rather than weight loss, expanding the class far beyond obesity. Deliberately not captured: Chamath's US-energy-abundance/333-plan riff (direction ambiguous - abundance is bullish volumes, bearish price), the Bitcoin strategic reserve aside (Jason and Friedberg only speculate about who manages the Silk Road coins), Chamath's Democrats-shrink-to-15-20%-of-the-electorate call (pure politics), and the outro tag turns at 1:35:51/1:35:55 (boilerplate, one of them mislabelled to Sacks 49 minutes after he signed off).