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🤖 Inference cost collapse deflates OpenAI, LLM startups and Nvidia's multiple

Latency and token prices are economically untenable; custom-hardware startups 1000x the market, open-source proliferates, closed-model economics get reallocated — OpenAI's enterprise value falls and it is 'very hard for NVIDIA to maintain a multiple of market cap' in 2024. LLM startups reprice 50-80% down.

0 CONVICTION
peaked 80.3 GREEN
EMBER
band
▼ SHORT NVDA
expression · bearish tech
WRONG
result · return -186.1% · vs SPY -213.1%
2025-01-06
born 2024-01-06 (E160) → window closed
⚠ CONFLICTING IDEAS ON THE SAME TICKER — the board is arguing with itself; net it out (ticker view →)
NVDA · AI compute capex supercycle has 12-24 months of runway LONG GREEN 86.5 ← stronger than this idea (30.8)
NVDA · Nvidia + Hugging Face makes NVDA the open-source AI champion LONG WATCH 54.7 ← stronger than this idea (30.8)
NVDA · The AI doomer campaign fails — no FDAI, open source survives LONG EMBER 30.5

other ideas on the same ticker, same direction: Nvidia risk: special-purpose silicon + Huawei 2 (NVDA)

⚖ Why this result

fully deterministic — computed from daily closes on the scoring date; nothing below is editable or hand-set

  1. Window: 2024-01-06 → 2025-01-06 — first mention + 12-month horizon, then the window locks.
  2. The call: ▼ SHORT NVDA (primary play). NVDA rose 186.1% over the window → return (sign flipped for a SHORT) = -186.1% (the call lost money).
  3. Benchmark: holding SPY over the same window returned +27.1% → vs SPY = -186.1 − (+27.1) = -213.1% — what this call made or lost against just owning the index. This is the number the result uses.
    Direction-only read: -159.0% — did NVDA move the predicted way relative to the market. The two only differ on a SHORT: this call was right about direction relative to the index but still cost money versus holding it.
  4. Rule fired:
    · RIGHT — return ≥ +10% AND beat SPY by 5+
    · HALF — return ≥ +5% OR beat SPY at all
    ▶ WRONG — everything else
  5. Credit: supporters of a WRONG earn 0 each, opposers the opposite — this feeds the scoreboard. supported: Chamath, Friedberg, Jason, Sacks

Conviction timeline

bands: green ≥ 65 · watch ≥ 45 · ember ≥ 15

Plays vs SPY · % since first mention (2024-01-06)

Plays

expressionsymbolkindrelevancerationale
▼ SHORT NVDAstock PRIMARY the only public name in the thesis — multiple-compression call

Mention log newest first

Chamath
Chamath tech 45% · n=84 · E197 (2024-09-27) · explicit_prediction · strength 2 ▶ 37:59 SUPPORT
“I think that when you look at the impacts and pricing that all of these open-source and closed-source model companies have now introduced in terms of the price per token, what we've seen is just a massive step function lower. It is incredibly deflationary.”
Friedberg
Friedberg tech 55% · n=66 · E182 (2024-06-07) · explicit_prediction · strength 2 ▶ 22:54 SUPPORT
“it's very likely we end up seeing a lot of more smaller targeted models being used in specific applications instead of one massive general purpose model being used, or networks of smaller models, which is really where I think the industry is going”
Jason
Jason tech 53% · n=56 · E179 (2024-05-17) · explicit_prediction · strength 2 ▶ 22:19 SUPPORT · horizon 24mo
“In my talk with Sunny this week, he mentioned that these new models are so much more efficient that you actually can throw the old model in the garbage because it's so inefficient. And these are now becoming about 90% cheaper every year, which means every two years these things are going to be 99% cheaper and better.”
Chamath
Chamath tech 45% · n=84 · E176 (2024-04-26) · explicit_prediction · strength 3 ▶ 20:06 SUPPORT
“AI is really two markets, training and inference. And inference is going to be 100 times bigger than training. ... the sharps know that NVIDIA cannot do inference”
Chamath
Chamath tech 45% · n=84 · E174 (2024-04-12) · explicit_prediction · strength 3 ▶ 2:48 SUPPORT
“he did a very good job of explaining where Nvidia is really strong, which is really in learning, and where Nvidia is trying to build the business, which is an inference... he said that if he deploys his roadmap, he'll have 50% of the available inference compute by the end of next year”
Sacks
Sacks tech 39% · n=53 · E169 (2024-03-08) · positioning · strength 1 ▶ 48:54 SUPPORT
“We're going to ship 20 million into your safe note. I know you closed it, but we're going to pry it open and get some allocation.”
SA
Sandeep Madra (guest ×0.5) no tech track record · E169 (2024-03-08) · explicit_prediction · strength 2 ▶ 45:59 SUPPORT
“It is a real community that's come together building around Groq. And what I will say is, you know, sort of the same jump that developers saw when we went from dial-up internet to broadband.”
Chamath
Chamath tech 45% · n=84 · E169 (2024-03-08) · positioning · strength 2 ▶ 45:51 SUPPORT
“This is the first investment, I think, where we're all on the cap table, right? So we can all, we're all rooting in the same direction.”
Chamath
Chamath tech 45% · n=84 · E168 (2024-03-01) · positioning · strength 2 ▶ 4:02 SUPPORT
“By the way, developers, by the way, on Groq, just this past week, in the queue, the wait list tripled. Now there's almost 10,000 developers. ... I think the most important North Star metric for these developer platforms is basically that. As goes the developers, so goes the platform.”
Chamath
Chamath tech 45% · n=84 · E167 (2024-02-23) · explicit_prediction · strength 3 ▶ 27:55 SUPPORT
“you now see developers stress testing us and finding that we are meaningfully, meaningfully faster and cheaper than any Nvidia solution, there's the potential here to be really disruptive ... So there's a lot of market cap for Groq to gain by just being able to produce these things at scale”
Friedberg
Friedberg tech 55% · n=66 · E166 (2024-02-16) · explicit_prediction · strength 3 ▶ 27:47 OPPOSE
“when you can do more with less, it doesn't mean you need less chips. It means you need a lot more chips ... it really starts to rationalize the Nvidia thesis that it could be worth ten trillion dollars potentially”
Chamath
Chamath tech 45% · n=84 · E166 (2024-02-16) · explicit_prediction · strength 2 ▶ 14:20 SUPPORT
“you're about to see a one-tenthing of the compute cost ... So today, you raise $100 million because you need to spend 70 or 80 on compute. Tomorrow when you only need to spend seven or eight for the same amount of throughput”
Friedberg
Friedberg tech 55% · n=66 · E165 (2024-02-09) · sentiment · strength 1 ▶ 47:16 SUPPORT
“And I think he's very compelling in arguing why some of the big cloud providers today that are offering infrastructure for AI model training and inference are going to be challenged if someone can build full stack and do it successfully.”
Chamath
Chamath tech 45% · n=84 · E165 (2024-02-09) · explicit_prediction · strength 3 ▶ 42:14 SUPPORT
“The perfect analogy of EC2 and S3 in 2024 is the token per second provider. Now, there you have to double click and say, OK, well, what does a token per second provider need to do to make a lot of money? And I think the ultimate answer is you need your own proprietary hardware.”
Jason
Jason tech 53% · n=56 · E160 (2024-01-06) · annual_prediction · strength 2 ▶ 58:04 SUPPORT · horizon 12mo
“My worst-performing asset in 2024 is LLM startups. They've been massively overvalued and open source is making an incredible run at them... too many players and too much parity... they're all going to come down by 50, 60, 70, 80% in terms of their valuations.”
Chamath
Chamath tech 45% · n=84 · E160 (2024-01-06) · annual_prediction · strength 2 ▶ 42:09 SUPPORT · horizon 12mo
“I think the enterprise value of OpenAI goes down... folks [building custom hardware] will multiply the capability of this market by 1000x... open source models really proliferate, proprietary and closed models go under pressure... it's going to be very hard for existing folks — and I would say the same is probably true for NVIDIA — to maintain a multiple of market cap. In this next year, that happens.”

Who built this conviction

each voice's total push on the score, in conviction points across every mention — supports and opposes · share = % of all mention-driven movement

Chamath
Chamath 45%
9 scoring events · 64% of moves
+93.6 → net +93.6
Friedberg
Friedberg 55%
3 scoring events · 19% of moves
+12.7 / -14.4 → net -1.7
Jason
Jason 53%
2 scoring events · 12% of moves
+18.0 → net +18.0
Sacks
Sacks 39%
1 scoring event · 3% of moves
+4.3 → net +4.3
SA
Sandeep Madra guest ×0.5
1 scoring event · 2% of moves
+3.0 → net +3.0

⏳ decay drained -86.4 over the idea's life — that's time passing, attributed to no one

Score events

episodekindΔafternote
E160 2024-01-06 init +40.0 40.0 E160 born by Chamath (annual_prediction x2)
E160 2024-01-06 reinforce +13.5 53.5 E160 Jason support x2 (new voice)
E161 2024-01-13 decay -2.1 51.4 E161 silent
E162 2024-01-19 decay -2.1 49.3 E162 silent
E163 2024-01-26 decay -2.0 47.3 E163 silent
E164 2024-02-02 decay -1.9 45.4 E164 silent
E165 2024-02-09 reinforce +9.8 55.3 E165 Chamath support x3
E165 2024-02-09 reinforce +8.1 63.3 E165 Friedberg support x1 (new voice)
E166 2024-02-16 reinforce +5.5 68.8 E166 Chamath support x2
E166 2024-02-16 oppose -14.4 54.4 E166 Friedberg opposes x3
E167 2024-02-23 reinforce +8.2 62.6 E167 Chamath support x3
E168 2024-03-01 reinforce +5.6 68.2 E168 Chamath support x2
E169 2024-03-08 reinforce +4.8 73.0 E169 Chamath support x2
E169 2024-03-08 reinforce +3.0 76.0 E169 Sandeep Madra support x2 (new voice) [w=0.50]
E169 2024-03-08 reinforce +4.3 80.3 E169 Sacks support x1 (new voice)
E170 2024-03-15 decay -3.2 77.1 E170 silent
E171 2024-03-22 decay -3.1 74.0 E171 silent
E172 2024-03-29 decay -3.0 71.1 E172 silent
E173 2024-04-05 decay -2.8 68.2 E173 silent
E174 2024-04-12 reinforce +5.7 74.0 E174 Chamath support x3
E175 2024-04-19 decay -3.0 71.0 E175 silent
E176 2024-04-26 reinforce +5.2 76.2 E176 Chamath support x3
E177 2024-05-03 decay -3.0 73.2 E177 silent
E178 2024-05-10 decay -2.9 70.2 E178 silent
E179 2024-05-17 reinforce +4.5 74.7 E179 Jason support x2
E180 2024-05-24 decay -3.0 71.7 E180 silent
E181 2024-05-31 decay -2.9 68.9 E181 silent
E182 2024-06-07 reinforce +4.7 73.5 E182 Friedberg support x2 (flipped from oppose)
E183 2024-06-14 decay -2.9 70.6 E183 silent
E184 2024-06-20 decay -2.8 67.8 E184 silent
E185 2024-06-29 decay -2.7 65.0 E185 silent
E186 2024-07-04 decay -2.6 62.4 E186 silent
E187 2024-07-12 decay -2.5 59.9 E187 silent
E188 2024-07-19 decay -2.4 57.6 E188 silent
E189 2024-07-26 decay -2.3 55.2 E189 silent
E190 2024-08-02 decay -2.2 53.0 E190 silent
E191 2024-08-09 decay -2.1 50.9 E191 silent
E192 2024-08-16 decay -2.0 48.9 E192 silent
E193 2024-08-23 decay -2.0 46.9 E193 silent
E194 2024-08-30 decay -1.9 45.0 E194 silent
E195 2024-09-06 decay -1.8 43.2 E195 silent
E196 2024-09-20 decay -1.7 41.5 E196 silent
E197 2024-09-27 reinforce +8.8 50.3 E197 Chamath support x2
E198 2024-10-03 decay -2.0 48.3 E198 silent
E199 2024-10-11 decay -1.9 46.3 E199 silent
E200 2024-10-18 decay -1.9 44.5 E200 silent
E201 2024-10-25 decay -1.8 42.7 E201 silent
E202 2024-11-01 decay -1.7 41.0 E202 silent
E203 2024-11-08 decay -1.6 39.4 E203 silent
E204 2024-11-16 decay -1.6 37.8 E204 silent
E205 2024-11-23 decay -1.5 36.3 E205 silent
E206 2024-12-07 decay -1.5 34.8 E206 silent
E207 2024-12-13 decay -1.4 33.4 E207 silent
E208 2024-12-20 decay -1.3 32.1 E208 silent
E209 2025-01-04 decay -1.3 30.8 E209 silent