The Stablecoin Future, Milei's Memecoin, DOGE for the DoD, Grok 3, Why Stripe Stays Private
2025-02-21 spoken.md · speaker-labeled ▶ watch ← E215 all episodes E217 →
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Kill dates that landed since E215
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| 📈 Arm's post-earnings rip is a float squeeze, not a repricing | MISS | -24.3% | -47.9 | 2025-02-16 |
| 🤖 Generative video collapses content production cost | MISS | +1.6% | -22.0 | 2025-02-16 |
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What got argued (15 ideas)
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The Libra/Milei blowup is the archetype, not the outlier: memecoins are digital collectibles marketed with tickers and charts as if they were securities, with sniper bots and insiders extracting from retail on a discontinuous pump-then-rug pattern. Every voice on the pod takes the other side of the asset class - the flows are gambling rather than productive capital, so the memecoin complex has no durable value and the chains and venues whose activity rides on that volume are exposed when retail stops showing up.
judging by the tweets that I see, there are a lot of ticker symbols and charts and prognostications about future price trajectories and so forth that lead me to think that people are placing somewhat more weight on the asset and security value of these
Yeah. Look, I don't like meme coins. I think they're bad. And I think they're part of, like Patrick said, a broader suede of things that we need to figure out societally where the legalization of sports betting and combined with highly targeted advertising.
Patrick Collison's narrower read on stablecoin adoption: the use case actually exploding is consumers in weak-currency countries holding dollar balances - a retail Eurodollar system without the old million-dollar minimum - which deepens the dollar's reserve-currency position rather than merely growing crypto. Jason's corollary is that legal US issuers have to hold the float in Treasuries, so the same flow is a structural bid for the short end.
So I think it's a really big deal, certainly for people in those countries, and in some sense also for the US, because the dollar status as the world's reserve currency, I think is in the process of becoming much more deeply established.
People just said a lot of s**t during the pandemic. Do you remember, it's like, oh, handshakes are going to be over, business travel is going to be over, every company is going to be fully remote... I would say Stripe broadly is in a pretty similar spot where it was beforehand, which is most people go into an office.
NVIDIA, last I checked, is doing pretty damn well, and Jensen is on the record as saying he doesn't give a shit about where you work... And so I guess I'm just skeptical of flat shoulds in this space.
I mean, basically what he proved was that there are still valuable gains in pre-training, and so the larger the cluster, the more value that there is... My first takeaway was I was sneakily surprised on the pre-training upside on having a larger cluster. So I think that that's very pro-NVIDIA actually, and it's actually also just really good in general for foundational model makers.
I also think the environment has changed quite a bit, where it used to be the case that to do any return of capital to shareholders, you know, or if you needed any kind of large sums of money, you needed the public markets. That's obviously not true today, where the, you know, stable private markets exist... And, you know, up to this point, we have determined private.
you can't be spending three or four billion dollars a boat and taking eight, nine, 10 years to build these things. This is not sustainable... What you have instead are system integrators with extremely deep connectivity that are able to contract well, not necessarily to invent well.
We've seen it in the Ukraine-Russia context that a $10,000 drone can destroy a $10 million piece of equipment and China now has drone factories that can output millions of drones each month... do we really need aircraft carriers? Do we really need tanks?
I don't know if you analogize Evo 2 to, I don't know whether it's GPD 2 or 3 or something, but I think we're going to see a similar Cambrian explosion of applications over the next couple of years.
The biological models are different in that I think it's a much smaller population of people that will use it. I think they do have to figure out how to take these models and complement the existing pipeline they have. The pipeline they have right now I think is pretty brittle.
And if you look at Jamie's P&L, he spends $16 billion a year on IT. And I suspect that if you streamline that, you'd actually have half as many people because they'd be doing the job in a wholly different way... by adopting the off-the-shelf stuff, he introduces organizational bloat
Stable coins are finally happening and they're really useful... Just stable coins are I think the first really big payments use case. And I think it's finally coming because the tech is good enough.
I think the interesting use of stable coins is cross-border, is outside the US. I mean, the big use case that's taking off right now is consumers in other countries seeking to hold dollars.
Card programs are not actually big profit pools for most of the major banks... And maybe other points in that space are viable, but it is a set of trade-offs, and it's not as simple as this enormous rent extraction happening.
I think stablecoins are going to be a big part of the solution. I actually don't think that's going to supplant all the consumer-facing networks. I think we're going to see consumer-facing networks built upon and substantially leverage these things.
as far as I can tell, the cuts proposed over the next couple of years for the Defense Department are of approximately the same magnitude as the reduction in the defense budget that occurred between 2010 and today. And so it's not like this is some unprecedented transformation in DOD budget.
I think that I was completely wrong on a couple of my earlier thoughts. One of the thought that I had for a long time was, it just seemed like all these base models were asymptoting. So I was not convinced where all this CapEx would go in a productive way.
Episode digest
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Guest episode with both Collison brothers in the fourth chair (Sacks absent - 'busy saving the country'), and the stablecoin segment is the meat: John says stablecoins are 'finally happening' and Stripe bought Bridge, while Patrick narrows the real adoption to cross-border and emerging-market dollar-holding and takes the direct other side of Chamath's ~300bp interchange-toll thesis - interchange flows back to issuers as credit and rewards, so 'it's not as simple as this enormous rent extraction happening', and John separately says stablecoins will NOT supplant the consumer-facing card networks. Patrick's corollary that the dollar's reserve status is 'in the process of becoming much more deeply established' via retail dollarization, plus Jason's point that legal US issuers must hold the float in Treasuries, is coined as a sub-idea of the 2025 stablecoin prediction. The biggest single capture is Chamath's Grok 3 reversal: 'I was completely wrong... it just seemed like all these base models were asymptoting', now 'a little bullish on NVIDIA' because Colossus proved pre-training scale still buys capability - a straight retraction of his own AI-capex bear case and a table-pounding support for the scaling-laws idea. Elsewhere: Chamath and Friedberg trash the legacy defense primes ('system integrators... able to contract well, not necessarily to invent well'; $10k drones vs $10m equipment), Patrick says the proposed 8%/yr DoD cuts are precedented rather than radical, the whole table plus both Collisons take the other side of memecoins after the Milei/Libra rug (new bearish idea; Jason declares 'I'm out on Milei right now', an oppose on the Argentina reform trade), Chamath re-ups the software-industrial-complex bear case off Jamie Dimon's $16B IT line, and Stripe's stay-private answer supports the E207 blocked-exit-window idea - deep private markets plus Square -70% and PayPal -80% off 2021 peaks mean the IPO is optional. Not captured: the Henry Kaiser/American-keiretsu riff and the 'AI unlocks megaprojects' thesis (no horizon, no instrument), the asteroid segment, the Arc Institute funding model and NIH-grant critique (no tradeable direction), John Collison's US-labour-productivity-up-20% stat (backward-looking), and both Jamie Dimon clips (played JPMorgan town-hall tape, quarantined). Conflict note: the Collisons are talking their own book on stablecoins (Bridge) and on staying private.