E78
E78: VC fund metrics that matter, private market update, recession, student loans, decentralized science
2022-04-30 spoken.md · speaker-labeled ▶ watch ← E77 all episodes E79 →
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ideas born
10
ideas moved
20
captures · 4 voices
5
dissenting
+76.3
conviction added
-95.2
decay · 95 silent
Every number here is replayed from score_events — the same ledger the pool ranks on. Decay is what the 95 ideas nobody mentioned gave up this week; it applies only when an episode is processed.
Tier crossings
conviction thresholds crossed by this episode — 65 / 45 / 15 · ideas born here show where they landed. why 65 isn't always green
▲ +10.5
📈 Late-stage private marks reset 30-60% — down-round IPOs become the norm
watch
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green threshold
60.3 → 70.8
still watch — green gate not met
▲ +9.0
🌍 US population stall - births plus immigration collapse throttles the economy
ember
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watch
43.7 → 52.6
▲ +47.8
🏛️ $10K student-loan forgiveness lands as a half-trillion consumer stimulus
born at
watch
47.8
▼ -10.6
📈 Private capital concentrates in a few mega-GPs that take themselves public
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ember
50.4 → 39.8
Who moved the board
each voice's force on conviction this episode — supports and opposes, weighted exactly as the replay applied them · share = % of this episode's movement
What got argued (10 ideas)
ordered by how hard each idea moved · quotes are verbatim from the transcript, timestamps deep-link into the episode
NEW
▲ XRT
🏛️ $10K student-loan forgiveness lands as a half-trillion consumer stimulus
closed 17
▲ +47.8
0.0 → 47.8
The executive action Biden floated on 2022-04-29 - forgiving the first $10,000 per borrower - is a ~$500B transfer across 43 million people that behaves exactly like the 2021 stimulus checks: freed cash flow shows up as consumer spending and roughly a 2.5% boost to GDP, and the midterm political incentive makes it likely to happen. The read-through is consumer discretionary and retail demand, financed by more deficit and debt.
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XRT ·primary
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evals 2023-04-30
So if you do the math across 43 million people, that's a roughly half trillion dollar forgiveness. ... That half trillion dollars, much like we saw last year, becomes a stimulus payment. ... it will be stimulating to the economy, and people will spend more and the economy will grow.
▲ QQQ
📈 Tech drawdown is in the eighth inning - the bottom is close
closed 13
CONTESTED
▲ +18.2
24.9 → 43.1
to be bearish right now is effectively not being bearish these growth stocks, because as we said, they've been just decimated. At this point, to be bearish, the indices means very specifically to be bearish. Those four names and only those four names. ... And so that may actually mean that the market has effectively crashed already.
I'm not necessarily bearish on growth stocks from here, because like you said, they've already been beat up so badly. The stock market is usually a leading indicator. What I'm a bearish about is just the state of the economy, because the stock market is traded down on expectations.
▼ SPY
🌍 Supply-chain crunch tips the US into 1970s-style stagflation next year
closed 73
CONTESTED
▲ +13.4
74.7 → 88.1
the savings boom is largely over. Personal savings rate fell to 6.2% in March, the lowest since 2013 And so what does that mean? Well, it means that the setup is there for us to sort of really contract what we are able to spend as a society. So I think now the odds even push further in this direction that we could have more quarters of negative GDP.
So that doesn't get credited on the GDP counter because those sales didn't close that quarter. And as we saw with Amazon recently and others and Apple just said that they're expecting, I think, close to a $10 billion hit this quarter because of supply chain issues. ... That doesn't mean that we're not going to have a recession because, you know, when I when I'm not able to spend money on Apple, Apple spending less on their suppliers, they're spending less on their suppliers. So there is a trickling effect of capital flows and the recessionary effect may be hit.
▲ QQQ
🌍 American exceptionalism soars and the economy booms in 2022
closed 7
CONTESTED
▼ -12.6
12.6 → 0.0
We have a quarter of negative GDP. We have China in lockdowns. We have every company that's in the manufacturing supply chain ecosystem telling the world that we don't really know what this is going to look like. Intel today actually said there's going to be shortages in chips through 2024
we've got a slowing economy with negative GDP growth. You've got inflation is still rampant. ... And when you have that kind of wealth destruction, it eventually trickles down into the economy because people just feel, companies start cutting budgets, people have less money. The spending goes down.
▲ BX
📈 Private capital concentrates in a few mega-GPs that take themselves public
closed 41
CONTESTED
▼ -10.6
50.4 → 39.8
it's gotten a lot harder, I think, especially at the growth rounds. We actually have signed to growth term sheets recently, and it was much harder for us to do growth rounds last year, just because you had these huge mega funds come in at crazy valuations. But now they're kind of licking their wounds, and we're starting to see some really attractive growth opportunities. Everyone else is backed off.
▼ IPO
📈 Late-stage private marks reset 30-60% — down-round IPOs become the norm
closed 85
▲ +10.5
60.3 → 70.8
the ultimate buyers of tech stocks are taking a 60% discount to what they were able to buy even just four months ago. 60%. So there is no public mark that will support a private mark unless it's also discounted by at least 60%. ... Any sophisticated buyer will have to tell them the truth, which is, I'm sorry guys, but the data says there's a 60% discount to this mark. Are you willing to accept it or not? Otherwise, the lights are going to go off.
not only are private valuations sort of sticky, but private marks are sticky. ... And companies only get remarked every couple of years. And so where it's a public market, it's get remarked every day. So it is hard to know what is the proper valuation of a company that raised money last year, because yes, valuation multiples have come way down
▼ TLT
🏦 Fed and ECB are in a much tighter posture a year from now
closed 45
CONTESTED
▼ -10.5
34.3 → 23.8
▼ IWM
🌍 US population stall - births plus immigration collapse throttles the economy
closed 28
CONTESTED
▲ +9.0
43.7 → 52.6
Now the problem is what that does is that removes liquidity from the market. ... And when you remove liquidity from a market, you actually make it a little bit more fragile, a little bit more precarious, a little bit more price sensitive. ... And so it puts us in a very tough situation when the economy is slowing, when these guys may be raising rates, and then at the same time removing money from the system, it may be a lot for all of us to handle.
they have really magnified this because you had the Fed for years maintain interest rates really too low and doing quantitative easing during a boom. And then the federal government was printing trillions and trillions of dollars, and they didn't stop. ... But then last year they printed that last two trillion, and that's what set off this wave of inflation.
I've been on many calls with founders who've met with 50 VCs, and the conversations are moving to, you know, how many months to break even? And, you know, how many customers do you have? And how have they increased? And let's talk about the churn. It is getting super pragmatic out there. If you're a founder, and we said this a year ago, but it's worth stating here, this is not the moment I would try to over optimize. If you have a term sheet or money on the table, I would close it.
you look at all the engines of sort of growth and prosperity, the small caps, the recent IPOs, the growth stocks, they've been absolutely hammered. It really hasn't been this bad since the.com crash of 2000, and not just the April period, but all the way in October where it kept going. And then the 2008 real estate crash. So we're already top three worst situations for growth stocks in the last 20 years.
Episode digest
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Air date 2022-04-30, two days after the Q1 2022 GDP print came in at -1.4% and at the end of the Nasdaq's worst month since 2008, and the episode is essentially one long private-markets-meets-recession session. It opens on Chamath's Social Capital annual letter and turns into the fund-metrics segment the title promises: Chamath walks gross vs net IRR, TVPI and DPI, exposes late-stage funds that write capital-call credit lines into their fundraising decks purely to juice IRR ('if you ever see multi-hundred percent IRRs... with zero DPI and a marginal TVPI, it's folks that are playing games to trick LPs'), and discloses that he only just crossed 2X across his outside-capital funds after eleven years and $2.5B returned, on exactly one IPO (Slack). Sacks names DPI as the only metric that matters long term and discloses Craft's fund one is now fully distributed at ~1.1-1.2x DPI on a 4-5x TVPI; Friedberg discloses his 2006 first venture fund investment is still dribbling out distributions at ~2.5x after 16 years, low-teens IRR, 'not much better than kind of investing in the S&P.' That asset-class argument - Chamath's 'S&P is between 7 and 8 percent... you have to add another 7 to 8 percent for this illiquidity premium and another 7 to 8 percent for the business model... you do need to get paid basically in the low to mid 20s returns to be justified' - is the intellectual centrepiece of the episode but was deliberately NOT captured: it is an allocation opinion whose falsification needs fund-level data, not a price series, and any ticker mapping would score something they did not say. The capture-worthy version of the private-market thread is Chamath's mark-reset arithmetic (45% of Nasdaq stocks down 50%, 22% down 75%, 5% down 90%, therefore 'there is no public mark that will support a private mark unless it's also discounted by at least 60%'), which is the single strongest mention in the file and lands on late-stage-private-marks-reset-2022 at strength 3; Sacks reinforces the sticky-marks mechanism and adds the offsetting observation that fast-growing portfolio companies have already grown into 60-100x entry multiples down to 10-20x. Jason turns the field report into a fresh receipt for risk-capital-golden-era-peaks-2021 ('the conversations are moving to... how many months to break even'), and Sacks' 'top three worst situations for growth stocks in the last 20 years' is a second one. Sacks' note that the mega funds 'are kind of licking their wounds' and 'everyone else is backed off' is coded as an oppose on venture-mega-gp-consolidation-2022 - the Tiger/SoftBank concentration thesis is visibly breaking here. On the main event, the recession-vs-boom axis: everybody is now on the recession side. Chamath brings the receipts (personal savings rate 6.2% in March, lowest since 2013, savings boom over) and says the odds 'push further in this direction that we could have more quarters of negative GDP'; Sacks takes a victory lap on his February 'anyone notice that we've just entered a recession' tweet; Friedberg supplies the supply-chain transmission exactly as the E051 thesis frames it (aluminium and components unobtainable, so 'those sales didn't close that quarter', Apple guiding to a ~$10B hit); Jason concedes 'we're obviously either in a recession or... dancing around it. We're basically... on the edge of the cliff right now.' That last one is coded as a REVERSAL on us-boom-2022, Jason's own 2022 annual prediction of an American boom - he never names the prediction, so it is a judgment call, but the substance is the opposite of his own call and a negative Q1 print is direct evidence against it. Chamath and Sacks are both coded oppose on the same idea. The important divergence is on rates and on where the remaining downside sits: Chamath opposes fed-ecb-tighter-next-year-2021 outright ('how do you raise rates 400 basis points into a slowing economy? You could raise... 75 bits, maybe 100 bits'), while Sacks keeps hammering his own qe-end-liquidity-drain call (the Fed did QE during a boom, the last $2T 'set off this wave of inflation', government magnifies the cycle) with Chamath joining him on the quantitative-tightening fragility point - four episodes running for that one. Both then flip mildly constructive on growth equities: Sacks says 'I'm not necessarily bearish on growth stocks from here... what I'm bearish about is just the state of the economy', and Chamath's dispersion riff ('to be bearish the indices means very specifically to be bearish those four names and only those four names... the market has effectively crashed already') both attach as support on tech-drawdown-eighth-inning-2022 - notable because Chamath is that idea's proposer and REVERSED on it three weeks ago at E075, so this is a swing back toward his original eighth-inning view. Student loans produced the episode's only new idea: Friedberg's $10K/43M people = ~$500B 'becomes a stimulus payment... people will spend more and the economy will grow', with Chamath quantifying it as 'a two and a half percent boost to GDP' - coined as student-loan-forgiveness-stimulus-2022, bullish XRT/XLY, politics-market, 12 months. The rest of that segment is structural and mostly uncapturable: everyone agrees the federal guarantee inflated tuition (public four-year $1,200/yr in 1969-70 to $21,000 in 2020), everyone advocates reform, but nobody predicts reform happens, so the for-profit-college angle (free-community-college-hits-forprofit-colleges-2021, which dies 2022-05-01) got no mention. Two side pickups: Sacks' debt-saddled-generation-believes-in-socialism argument supports Friedberg's equity-over-progress-western-stagnation-2022, and Chamath's 'massive employment gap... we are not educating our young people to take the jobs that are needed' supports his own us-population-stall-labor-shortfall-2022. Bill Hwang/Archegos got a long, purely mechanical treatment (total return swaps, no clearing house for equity derivatives) with no directional claim - Chamath's clearing-house fix is a recommendation, not a prediction, so nothing captured. The Elon/Twitter block was deliberately skipped despite containing two real predictions - Chamath's 'I think he's going to buy Twitter... generate something like a 2X... puts that asset worth at around $100 billion' plus his speculation Elon donates it into a foundation for a $100B charitable offset against a future SpaceX/Starlink listing, and Jason's 'I think it goes public again, and it goes to five times the value' - because TWTR was taken private in October 2022 and is not a scoreable yfinance symbol, and because E076/E077 (extracted in parallel in this same wave) almost certainly coin the Elon-Twitter idea first; a duplicate here would be worse than the omission. Sacks' Ministry-of-Truth / DHS disinformation-board segment and his First-Amendment-case-law-as-content-moderation-PRD framework are politics with no instrument. Despite the title, decentralized science is never discussed - zero hits for DeSci in the transcript. LABEL CHECK: clean, no defects. Counts Jason 151 / Chamath 100 / Sacks 74 / Friedberg 65, Jason correctly the top talker; content-verified - Jason does the third-person rap intros and 'world's greatest moderator' role, Chamath owns the annual letter, Prenuvo shout-out, Waterloo/Bank of Montreal biography and 8090-style spread framing, Sacks is addressed by name by Chamath ('what you're saying, Sacks') and self-identifies with Craft fund one and the capital-call line from SVB, Friedberg is addressed as Friedberg, called 'sultan of science', and self-identifies with Cal, Ohalo-style hardware businesses and the devil's-advocate role. ONE TRANSCRIPT TRAP worth recording: the turns at 30:15 (Sacks) and 30:34 (Chamath) are an ARCHIVAL CLIP, not live audio - Chamath says 'Nick, cue the clip where Sacks and I basically said this may happen. In January of this year', and the clip's internal markers ('China cut rates last week', 'we have an FOMC meeting... on Wednesday... of this coming week') pin it to E064, 2022-01-22. Nothing from those two turns was captured, which is why Chamath's 'the risk is not of runaway inflation anymore' and 'inflation may have actually been much more transitory than we thought' do not appear as E078 mentions. Final timestamp 1:50:35.