Tucker Carlson: ICE Raids, LA Riots, Strong Economic Data, Politicized Fed, War with Iran?
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Powell's Fed is holding the policy rate above what the data supports for political rather than mandate reasons - a board weighted toward Biden appointees, plus Powell's own post-2021 reputational fear of being remembered as Arthur Burns rather than Paul Volcker - so the dot plots deliberately buy time beyond a reasonable point. With inflation in the low twos the justification for not cutting collapses and the pressure to deliver roughly 100bp builds to a head; the front end, which the Fed directly controls, then reprices lower and cheaper one-day-to-two-year credit reflexively fuels growth.
Do I think the Fed chairman who lives in Chevy Chase is a political actor? Are you serious?
So now, if you're a pal, you've got PTSD from that whole experience, and you're going to err on the side of not letting inflation come back. I think with inflation down to 2.4%, I think it is time to cut rates, but he's fearful because, again, his incentives are to be a Volcker, not a Burns.
Chamath's arithmetic off the May deficit Sankey: tariffs are run-rating $300-400bn a year above forecast on the receipts side, and a 100bp cut would save roughly another $300bn of interest on the debt, so inside 60 days the American balance sheet has to be re-forecast about $600bn better than the current snapshot implies. With the deficit trajectory improving rather than deteriorating there is nowhere else for global risk capital to go - Japan and Europe lose the flow and every marginal risk dollar rotates into US assets.
So if you add these two things together, we are in the next 60 days going to have to re-forecast the American balance sheet where this is, or we're actually going to be able to positively forecast an extra 600 billion, 300 billion of incremental revenue, and 300 billion of savings. Jason, if that happens, watch out. What does that mean, watch out? It means that every single risk dollar is going to run to America. Every single one.
A US/Israeli military engagement with Iran does not stay a two-day operation: Iran is not Iraq or Libya, it is a central BRICS player, ships roughly 90% of its oil to China and signed a defence agreement with Russia in January, so it has backup, and its conventional weapons can damage Israel, US assets in theatre and regional energy production. The result is an oil price that could double toward $100-112 a barrel, feeding back into global inflation and GDP, plus a protracted engagement that derails the Trump agenda and could sink the administration.
Their conventional weapons are fearsome and could do great damage to our allies, to Israel and to American assets in that area and also to energy production in countries that we rely on. So I think the downsides are really kind of overwhelming. I think a protracted, meaning anything over a day or two engagement with Iran would derail the Trump agenda and the presidency.
So, growth is back, inflation is low. And what you saw over the last few months was the elites in both parties, I'll give you that, they were scaremongering on tariffs and predicting doom. And they've been proven to be out of touch with popular sentiment and reality.
But in general, we haven't seen what Jim Cramer and Larry Summers predicted, and that itself is amazing. ... And so what if, like, you can have a kind of mixed approach with some trade barriers that are tailored to your benefit, and that sort of works in a longitudinal way. If that's true, holy smokes. And it looks like it might be true.
And what I was noticing was that we were going to come in, I said, in the low threes. And I think, you know, if Atlanta Fed is right, I don't think they are, but I think it's going to be in the low to mid threes. It's going to be meaningfully greater than what people are expecting.
And so we've ended up becoming dependent on them for all sorts of goods that we now realize are highly strategic and we're trying to figure out, well, how do we onshore these things? Because it seems really dangerous now for us to be single-threaded on, you know, on potentially adversarial power for rare earths or, you know, rare earth magnets and chips and pharmaceuticals and all these things.
I'm not going to use the term taco, but it does seem like we've shifted from shock and awe to maybe, like, kind of bore. It's kind of boring, like, and that does seem to be Trump's approach, right, in negotiations. Big bang and then fall back to a reasonable position. So I think we're in the reasonable position phase.
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Tucker Carlson guest episode, Friedberg out (confirmed in both the cold open and the outro) - two-thirds of the runtime is untradeable politics (ICE raids, LA riots, immigration philosophy, BBB process) and was digested rather than captured. The tradeable core is the economy/Fed block: Sacks takes a victory lap on the tariff-doom predictions failing (Q2 GDP tracking 3.8%, +139k jobs, CPI 2.4%) and Tucker joins him in saying the Cramer/Summers catastrophe never showed up, which is two opposes on the E184 stagflation idea eight days before it dies; Jason re-affirms his tariffs-are-leverage rule ('big bang and then fall back to a reasonable position'). Chamath does the heaviest lifting: he pre-called a hot Q2 GDP print in the low-to-mid threes above the Atlanta Fed, then chains $300-400bn of above-forecast tariff receipts to $300bn of interest saved on a 100bp cut into a ~$600bn re-forecast of the US balance sheet inside 60 days, with 'every single risk dollar' rotating out of Japan and Europe into America - coined as its own bullish-US idea rather than logged as a fourth oppose on Summers' emerging-market thesis, since it is an affirmative dated call with its own mechanism. All three of Chamath, Sacks and Tucker say the Fed's hold is political (Chamath: board tilted to Biden appointees; Sacks: Powell has Burns/Volcker PTSD from blessing 'transitory' in 2021 to get reconfirmed; Tucker: 'the Fed chairman who lives in Chevy Chase'), which is a new three-voice rates idea distinct from E220's Treasury-routes-around-Powell/KRE mechanism, none of which was argued here. On Iran, aired the same day Israel struck, Chamath's 'you could see oil double, double... 100 bucks a barrel, 112 bucks a barrel' plus Tucker's escalation case (BRICS, 90% of Iranian oil to China, a January Russian defence pact) is a new oil-spike idea; both nonetheless say they expect/hope Trump finds an off-ramp, which is a hope not a prediction and was not captured. Deliberately passed on: Tucker's debt fatalism ('an unpayable debt tanks your country at a certain point... ride it into whatever the point of oblivion is') - directional but explicitly undated with no instrument, so it was not forced onto the E223 emerging-market idea; Tucker's 'brick wall' endorsement of 20%-of-jobs-in-two-years AI displacement, because the number is his restatement of a prior Jason claim that Jason immediately hedged, and neither the E197 entry-level nor the E211 middle-management mechanism fits an all-jobs claim; the whole ICE labour-supply thread (nobody named an instrument or a direction, just Jason's rhetorical 'who's going to take all those jobs'); Chamath's World Bank nuclear-financing item (news restatement, developing-world not the US buildout of nuclear-buildout-2025); Sacks' BBB defence and Tucker's omnibus-process rant (no directional market claim, and nothing on carried interest); and Chamath's Amex trash-talk in the plug segment (a product complaint inside a bit). Clip quarantine: SPEAKER_5 at 12:02 is a Reagan immigration speech and SPEAKER_6 at 12:37 is a Bill Clinton speech - nothing captured from either; the three remaining one-liner SPEAKER_5/6 turns (38:47, 1:39:14, 1:41:18) are mislabelled host/guest interjections and were also left alone.