E43 · All-In Alpha

conviction thresholds crossed by this episode — 65 / 45 / 15 · ideas born here show where they landed. why 65 isn't always green

▲ +60.6 📈 Fintech feature consolidation: licensed platforms become consumer-finance superpowers born at watch 60.6

▲ +47.8 📈 Buy-now-pay-later is a feature, not a company born at watch 47.8

▲ +43.3 🪙 Tether is a fraud and the peg breaks born at ember 43.3

▲ +40.6 🏛️ Financial deplatforming becomes the next big political fight born at ember 40.6

▲ +36.4 📈 Zymergen's implosion impairs the whole synthetic-biology cohort born at ember 36.4

▲ +17.2 📈 Nikola goes to zero dormant → ember 13.6 → 30.8

▲ +10.9 📈 Opaque payment fee pools get competed to zero dormant → ember 13.0 → 23.9

each voice's force on conviction this episode — supports and opposes, weighted exactly as the replay applied them · share = % of this episode's movement

Friedberg

3 captures · 32% of movement · 2 ideas born

+85.4 → net +85.4

Sacks

4 captures · 30% of movement · 1 idea born

+81.8 → net +81.8

Chamath

3 captures · 23% of movement · 1 idea born

+60.5 → net +60.5

Jason

2 captures · 15% of movement · 1 idea born

+40.8 → net +40.8

NEW ▲ XYZ 📈 Fintech feature consolidation: licensed platforms become consumer-finance superpowers closed 5 CONTESTED ▲ +60.6 0.0 → 60.6

Banking, lending, trading, crypto and insurance merge into three-to-five licensed digital superpowers. Platforms that keep acquiring adjacent features (or flip cost lines into revenue lines) get rewarded with the currency to buy the next feature for free and compound for years; offline legacy banks lose.

plays XYZ ·primary PYPL SHOP evals 2026-08-06

Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction 60mo horizon ▶ 1:13:35

And so if Square can basically continue to acquire or build adjacent features that consolidates the financial services stack for their consumers, the stock market will reward these guys. They'll be able to grow and buy things for free for the next five or 10 years. ... If you can see folks acquiring adjacent features, or if you can see folks taking expense lines and turning them into revenue lines, these are, in my opinion, sure bet companies that compound forever in the public markets.

Friedberg support ×3 explicit_prediction 120mo horizon ▶ 1:16:16

I have a big thesis and a big belief that over the next decade, we're going to see those five categories start to merge and you're going to have three to five superpowers that are going to offer a consolidated stack of services.

Sacks support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:24:13

Right, but who are the big winners in this wave of consolidation going to be at the end of the day? It's going to be Square, it's going to be Stripe, it's going to be PayPal, it's going to be the big online companies, not the offline legacy banks.

NEW ▼ AFRM 📈 Buy-now-pay-later is a feature, not a company closed 14 ▲ +47.8 0.0 → 47.8

BNPL is a credit feature that every large financial platform will bolt on — Square via Afterpay, Apple/Goldman, eventually Amazon and Facebook — so standalone BNPL pure-plays get commoditized and have no defensible business.

plays AFRM ·primary evals 2022-08-06

Friedberg support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:11:14

And by the way, this business concept has been around for a long time. There's a company called Bill Me Later that was bought by PayPal in 2008 for a billion dollars. And it was a similar thesis. So the thesis, what's old is new again. ... They're also effectively stepping up and competing and making sure they're locking in the competitive advantage they have with having this two-sided marketplace against emerging competitors like a firm and so on.

Chamath support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:13:35

The thing with Buy Now Pay Later is that it is not a company. It has always been a feature. And it's a feature of a much larger financial services platform. And I think Square is proving that. And everybody else over time will realize it. ... So the idea is that this is just a credit feature that should be on every single major network. I wouldn't be surprised if WhatsApp and Facebook had a Buy Now Pay Later feature. Amazon. Over time. Everybody needs to have this feature. You can't build a company around it.

NEW ▼ USDT-USD 🪙 Tether is a fraud and the peg breaks closed 6 CONTESTED ▲ +43.3 0.0 → 43.3

USDT's ~$60B of issuance is not fully dollar-backed — the New York AG settlement is the receipt — and the peg breaks once redemptions stress the system.

plays USDT-USD ·primary cg:tether evals 2022-08-06

Jason support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:04:29

But I will say that my fraud of the moment, the one that's making my Spidey sense go crazy is Tether. USDT. These guys are, I mean, this feels like it is going to be a 60 billion. ... And then over time, we find out maybe they don't have a dollar in their bank account for each one. The New York Attorney General finds them $18 million says you can't work with anybody in New York. They say we're not a fraud. And I'm like, well, what about the Attorney General who said you were a fucking fraud?

Sacks support ×1 sentiment ▶ 1:05:27

We should get all the fancy all in pod. We're going to declare a certain time and date where and we encourage everyone who's in Tether to pull out a Tether to stress the system and see what happens.

NEW ▼ PYPL 🏛️ Financial deplatforming becomes the next big political fight closed 35 ▲ +40.6 0.0 → 40.6

PayPal operationalizing ADL/SPLC ban lists into a 'no-buy list' makes fintech account bans the next censorship battleground within a year, drawing congressional and FTC heat and organized political opposition to consumer-fintech M&A.

plays PYPL ·primary XYZ evals 2022-08-06

Sacks support ×3 explicit_prediction 12mo horizon ▶ 1:07:38

If you try to deny Americans their right to access the new economy, we see no reason for your company to get any bigger. We're going to oppose every acquisition you ever do. ... I'm predicting right now that financial deplatforming is going to be the big hot potato, political hot potato over the next year. This is the next wave of censorship.

NEW ▼ CDXS 📈 Zymergen's implosion impairs the whole synthetic-biology cohort closed 20 ▲ +36.4 0.0 → 36.4

Zymergen withdrawing guidance and losing 70-80% three months after its April IPO reprices the entire synthetic-biology platform cohort: investors now assume these companies never had product-market fit or workable unit economics, and capital drains out of the sector.

plays CDXS ·primary ARKG TWST evals 2022-08-06

Friedberg support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 32:12

So it's a bit disappointing to see, but it's really going to impact the industry broadly because now people are going to say a lot of synthetic biology companies are smoking mirrors and they're really not there yet. So a lot of folks in the industry are really concerned right now.

▼ NKLA 📈 Nikola goes to zero unresolvable 25 ▲ +17.2 13.6 → 30.8

Sacks support ×2 sentiment ▶ 44:45

Some of it is fraud. So read the quote from the US attorney of Manhattan who said, Milton, with respect to Nikola, lied about nearly every aspect of the business. People like that need to go to jail, okay?

▲ DIS 📈 Top-tier IP collections still win — you can't displace Disney closed 36 CONTESTED ▲ +11.7 19.5 → 31.2

Jason support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:24:39

Their whole business, they're going to catch up to Netflix and then they're going to roll Netflix. They're going to roll right over Netflix.

▼ V 📈 Opaque payment fee pools get competed to zero closed 17 ▲ +10.9 13.0 → 23.9

Chamath support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 1:18:14

The comment on this, by the way, the most obvious one here, which I think is interesting, is the Shopify stripe debate. Because if you look inside the P&L of Shopify, an enormous line item now, about 350 million bucks a year is what they're paying to stripe. And, you know, there's going to be a lot of pressure over time to figure out what these big businesses want to do with respect to their payment strategies and do it themselves, because they may be able to save a lot of money.

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Peak-2021 episode: two live blowups and one $29B all-stock deal, all four besties on mic from Italy (Friedberg the only one home). The Zymergen teardown is the meat — Friedberg walks the full mechanism (services business that never delivered, pivot to products, SoftBank's $400M at a $3B mark, IPO at $31, guidance withdrawn, CEO out, stock -80% intraday) and lands the tradeable claim: the implosion 'is really going to impact the industry broadly' because the market will now assume synthetic-biology platforms are smoke and mirrors. That's the new thesis of the episode (synbio-platform-cohort-impaired-2021, bearish, CDXS/TWST/ARKG — note Zymergen's own ZY and peer AMRS both return zero yfinance history, so the cohort has to be expressed through survivors). Sacks generalizes it into a deep-tech-fraud lineage — 'it was Theranos, it was Nikola and now it's Zymergen' — and brings the US Attorney's Milton quote, which reinforces nikola-zero-2020 rather than spawning anything new; nobody made a forward SPAC claim, so chamath-spac-complex-2020 gets nothing despite being open until 2021-09-09. On Square/Afterpay the room is unusually aligned and splits cleanly into two new theses. Chamath's is the sharpest call on the tape: BNPL 'is not a company. It has always been a feature' — a credit feature Apple/Goldman, WhatsApp, Facebook and Amazon will all bolt on, so 'you can't build a company around it' (bearish AFRM); and separately, feature-acquiring licensed platforms get handed free currency by the market ('they just acquired a $30 billion company for fucking free' after SQ ripped 25% on announcement) and are 'sure bet companies that compound forever,' with a stated five-to-ten-year window that sets the 60-month horizon. Friedberg adds the structural version — banking/lending/trading/crypto/insurance merge into 'three to five superpowers' over the next decade, ranked by retention and profit-per-customer — and Sacks, who opens as 'the lone voice of dissent,' actually dissents only politically: he concedes 'the market loved it' and names the winners as Square, Stripe, PayPal, 'not the offline legacy banks.' Chamath's licensure gate ('the Canary in the coal mine is who will be given a federal banking license') and his Shopify-pays-Stripe-$350M-a-year point are the same argument continued, and the latter is a genuine reinforcement of payment-fee-pools-to-zero-2021 — merchants insourcing payments to kill the fee — so it went there as a mention rather than a new slug. Sacks' other big swing is the PayPal 'no buy list' rant: ADL/SPLC ban lists operationalized into financial deplatforming, Republicans should haul Dan Schulman before Congress and 'oppose every acquisition you ever do,' and 'I'm predicting right now that financial deplatforming is going to be the big hot potato... over the next year' — a dated, falsifiable politics-market call mapped to PYPL/XYZ. Jason's contributions are the fraud beat: Tether is his 'fraud of the moment,' with the NYAG settlement as the receipt and Sacks half-joking about coordinating an all-in-pod bank run to stress the peg (captured at strength 1); he also reaffirms his Ripple call in one clause ('I'm not backing off') while explicitly declining to elaborate, which was too thin to slug. Buried in the Hollywood-consolidation tangent, Jason drops a clean throwaway: Disney will 'roll right over Netflix.' Trashed: SoftBank's style ('absolutely antithetical to the way that we invest'), WeWork, Quibi, Magic Leap, Theranos, and narrative-driven VC generally — Sacks says Sapiens made him abandon pitch-based investing. Disclosed but not directional: Friedberg's Production Board raised $300M co-led by BlackRock with Alphabet/Gates/Baillie Gifford in (Sacks is an LP/investor in TPB); Sacks closed Craft fund III at $1.12B and is an owner of Call In; Sacks' Harbor exits into the Galaxy-BitGo deal; Jason and the All-In syndicate took an allocation in Call In; Jason is congratulated on Robinhood's IPO with no view attached, so no HOOD capture; Chamath says 'I probably made a billion dollars this week' with no instrument named. Also deliberately not captured: Chamath's long riff on venture becoming a $120B/yr asset class where brand funds return 'market beta plus a little bit of alpha' and VC returns 'decay down to 10% or 12%' — real analysis, but the subjects (Andreessen, Sequoia, Accel) are private and Blackstone/KKR appear only as completed precedent, so there's no instrument to hang it on. Label anomalies: roster check clean (Jason 120 / Chamath 73 / Friedberg 62 / Sacks 53 turns, all four named in the intro and all four fingerprint-correct — Craft/Yammer/Sapiens for Sacks, TPB/Kana/Climate-era clean-tech for Friedberg, Social Capital/Virgin-Branson for Chamath, syndicate/Founder-University/CNBC-Theranos for Jason). Three SPEAKER_5 turns (1:07:03, 1:28:05, 1:30:05) are outro-song and crosstalk fragments, not a fifth participant. One merged turn: the Jason-labeled turn at 1:26:45 contains 'Congratulations, J. Cal. Congratulations on Robin Hood, J. Cal.' — someone else (Chamath or Sacks) addressing Jason in the second person inside his own label — and the final minutes (1:28:00-1:30:35) are duplicated/garbled outro audio with Friedberg's 'throbbing rave' bit repeated across three labels. Neither affects any capture.

E43: Innovative venture strategies, Zymergen's implosion, Square acquires Afterpay & more

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