E41

E41: Vaccine policy, Big Tech, DeepMind's latest breakthrough, wealth creation, opportunity & more

2021-07-23 spoken.md · speaker-labeled ▶ watch ← E40 all episodes E42 →

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ideas born
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ideas moved
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captures · 3 voices
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dissenting
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conviction added
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decay · 70 silent

Every number here is replayed from score_events — the same ledger the pool ranks on. Decay is what the 70 ideas nobody mentioned gave up this week; it applies only when an episode is processed.

Tier crossings

conviction thresholds crossed by this episode — 65 / 45 / 15 · ideas born here show where they landed. why 65 isn't always green

▲ +45.2 🤖 AlphaFold's open proteome kickstarts a drug-discovery wave born at watch 45.2

Kill dates that landed since E40

0 hit · 0 partial · 1 miss — windows that closed after 2021-07-16 and up to 2021-07-23, auto-scored against price data and never hand-set. verdict · R · α

ideaverdictRαclosed
🤖 Growth multiples have another 10-20% to give back as the 10-year normalizes MISS -6.2% -10.4 2021-07-17

Who moved the board

each voice's force on conviction this episodesupports and opposes, weighted exactly as the replay applied them · share = % of this episode's movement

Friedberg
Friedberg
3 captures · 62% of movement · 1 idea born
+49.3 / -10.1 → net +39.2
Chamath
Chamath
3 captures · 29% of movement
+14.9 / -12.8 → net +2.1
Sacks
Sacks
2 captures · 9% of movement
+8.7 → net +8.7

What got argued (4 ideas)

ordered by how hard each idea moved · quotes are verbatim from the transcript, timestamps deep-link into the episode

NEW XBI 🤖 AlphaFold's open proteome kickstarts a drug-discovery wave closed 23 ▲ +45.2 0.0 → 45.2

DeepMind publishing predicted structures for every human protein (plus 10 other species, scaling to 100M+ proteins) for free turns structure prediction from a bottleneck into a commodity input, which spawns a wave of new therapeutics companies and speeds variant/vaccine design. Google gets the reputational credit but gives the asset away, so the economic value accrues to biotech rather than to GOOGL.

plays XBI ·primary GOOGL IBB evals 2022-07-23
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×3 explicit_prediction ▶ 50:02
They've unlocked it with software and they're making it freely available. And there will be hundreds of drug companies that will now start because of what's in that database.
LIT 🛢️ Battery metals squeeze — lithium, nickel, cobalt push EV prices up 20-30% closed 27 ▲ +9.4 22.0 → 31.4
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 positioning ▶ 1:30:39
I had a kickoff meeting for a startup that's doing something incredible in batteries ... and then I had a call because I'm trying to put a you know, more than a billion dollars to work in a different battery idea.
JETS 🌍 Delta variant is a non-event — no reopening reversal closed 69 ▼ -4.5 70.7 → 66.3
Friedberg
Friedberg support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 7:16
And I think as we talked about last time, we saw the market start to react to the potential of that on Monday. ... But I think the conventional wisdom is not that many people are going to die. Therefore, we're not going to see, you know, political leaders force restrictions that are kind of going to damage the economy.
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 sentiment ▶ 9:30
We now know, looking at from what different states did last year, that they don't make a difference. So there's no reason to go back to that policy.
Chamath
Chamath oppose ×2 sentiment ▶ 13:04
But I think on this specific issue, I think that it's unconscionable to be in a situation where we are fighting basically a time function, where at a certain amount of time, you're going to have a variant that is basically will overcome all the vaccines we have, will kill enormous numbers of people, including the vaccinated, will literally shut the economy down. And that's a probabilistic event now.
GOOGL 🏛️ The four big-tech monopolies get broken up by the end of the decade closed 37 CONTESTED ▼ -0.1 63.8 → 63.7
Chamath
Chamath support ×2 explicit_prediction ▶ 56:32
I generally think that companies like Google and Facebook and Amazon, unfortunately, do not allow the constructive form of capitalism that people want in today's society. They're just too big. ... So it's likely that we're going to move to a place that's a healthier outcome for everybody.
Sacks
Sacks support ×2 sentiment ▶ 57:30
They've held congressional hearings around taking away section 230 protection, which is very economically advantageous for these big tech companies. So they position the sword perfectly over the heads of these big tech companies, threatening to break them up and rein them in. ... I actually want the sword to come crashing. I actually want the sword to come down.
Friedberg
Friedberg oppose ×2 sentiment ▶ 1:00:21
And the capability of these businesses is rooted entirely on the fact that consumers are choosing to use their products and their services because they are so good. ... And so I don't feel like these guys are screwing people over.

Episode digest

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Recorded 2021-07-23, one day after DeepMind dumped the AlphaFold proteome database on the world, and the episode splits cleanly into 45 minutes of Delta-variant policy, a Big Tech / free-speech fight, and a long values monologue on wealth and opportunity that produces almost nothing tradeable. Market-relevant content, in order. (1) COVID: Jason opens with the numbers — cases from a ~12-15k/day average to 62k/day in 30 days, seven-day deaths flat around 248 — and Friedberg supplies the first real market claim of the episode: the market flinched Monday on the weekend data and reversed Tuesday, and because conventional wisdom is that not many people will die, 'we're not going to see political leaders force restrictions that are kind of going to damage the economy.' He calls the balance Israel's 'golden line' and self-labels 'a brutal, cold hearted libertarian' on zeroism. Sacks reinforces: he concedes he was wrong three weeks ago ('I thought we had this thing whipped') and that Delta is real, but says lockdowns demonstrably don't move outcomes and there's no reason to return to them; his one policy line is that unused US doses should be shipped abroad (Marshall Plan for vaccines) rather than wasted on the hesitant. Chamath is the lone bear on this and it's the genuine cross-besty disagreement of the episode: he argues public health beats individual rights here, wants teachers mandated, and warns that leaving the virus in 'the Petri dish of the unvaccinated' makes an escape variant that overwhelms the vaccines and 'will literally shut the economy down' a probabilistic event. Notably nobody made a single call on a vaccine maker — PFE, MRNA, NVAX and BNTX are never mentioned, and the France/Macron datapoint (4M signups, 20k/minute after mandates announced) was used as behavioral evidence, not as a revenue thesis. Friedberg also poured cold water on enforcement (no digital vax-verification layer exists; he photographed a Kinko's-grade index card to get into events), which caps how far mandate-driven demand can actually go. (2) AlphaFold is the new thesis. Friedberg gives the standout monologue of the episode: DeepMind published the predicted physical structure of every protein human DNA can make plus 10 other species, scaling to 100M+ proteins, free and searchable; he calls it 'releasing the Rosetta Stone,' walks through the SARS-CoV-2 spike (~3,000 of ~30,000 base pairs, ~1 nucleoside mutation per 10 infections) to argue we could now predict which mutations improve ACE2 binding instead of discovering variants empirically, says over the next decade variant tracking and countermeasure design get front-run rather than reactive, and lands the falsifiable bit: 'there will be hundreds of drug companies that will now start because of what's in that database.' Crucially he argues Google chose NOT to monetize it ('they could have kept it all inside and used it to build therapeutic drug companies and make money from that'), while noting DeepMind's ad-targeting work generates tens of billions of incremental revenue a year for Google — so the captured direction is bullish biotech productivity (XBI/IBB primary), with GOOGL only adjacent. (3) Big Tech: Jason's attempt to turn AlphaFold into an anti-breakup argument ('how do you afford this?') gets hijacked by Sacks into the Jen Psaki briefing — the White House admitting it flags posts and accounts for platforms to remove, and that a takedown at one site should propagate to all. Sacks's market-edge framing is the sword of Damocles: Lina Khan at the FTC, six bills in Congress, hearings on stripping Section 230 ('very economically advantageous for these big tech companies'), all positioned as leverage for censorship — and he wants the sword to actually fall, not hang. Chamath supports breakup on structural grounds (Google/Facebook/Amazon 'are just too big', distribution stranglehold gets perverted) and adds his platform-pendulum model: every medium starts monopolistic and swings to decentralization via legislation or innovation, so 'it's likely that we're going to move to a place that's a healthier outcome for everybody' — while conceding AlphaFold was good and that Google 'makes money hand over fist' and wastes an enormous amount on trash. Friedberg takes the opposite side twice at length: breakthroughs need accumulated capital (AlphaFold, Waymo's $1B+ before anyone believed in self-driving, SpaceX/Blue Origin), nine of ten billion-dollar bets lose and the tenth is worth $500B, consumers choose Google and Amazon voluntarily, and he questions whether small-business distribution deserves permanent protection. That is the episode's only real bull/bear split on a specific set of tickers. (4) Wealth creation is 45 minutes of values with no instruments: Bezos's bad Blue Origin press conference, Elon's carbon record, the Kim Kardashian thesis of unearned fame, agency vs. victimhood. Two adjacent data points were deliberately NOT captured as ideas because they are descriptive rather than falsifiable: Sacks's 'the tech economy keeps getting bigger and bigger... any half decent idea now gets funded,' more LP dollars into VC than any prior year, Sand Hill Road as a ghost town (a froth observation he frames as a tailwind, not a call), and Sacks's 'let your winners ride at least partially' after admitting his Facebook and PayPal stakes would each be worth ~$1B+ had he held. Disclosed positions: Chamath is co-founding a Series A battery startup and is separately trying to deploy 'more than a billion dollars' into a different battery idea (captured as positioning, private-market money mapped to LIT/ALB/QS); Chamath references leaving $2-3B of Facebook stock on the table; Sacks discloses he's in private beta on Callin, the app Craft incubated; Friedberg recounts his Google stock/cash walk-away. No label anomalies — all four besties have healthy turn counts (Jason 138, Sacks 85, Chamath 76, Friedberg 44), the intro names Friedberg and Chamath and Sacks in order, and spot-checks against fingerprints hold (Chamath: Nat, Aki/breeder dogs, Social Capital blow-up, Facebook vs MySpace; Sacks: Yammer, PayPal, Thank You For Smoking, Callin; Friedberg: Google 2004 pre-IPO, Ohalo-era 'turn science into commercial opportunity', science corner on protein folding). Sacks holds no government role in 2021, so sacks_policy is false throughout.