E26
E26: State of Venture Capital, plus fan questions on longevity, decentralization & quantum computing
2021-03-20 spoken.md · speaker-labeled ▶ watch ← E25 all episodes E27 →
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ideas born
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ideas moved
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captures · 4 voices
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dissenting
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conviction added
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decay · 23 silent
Every number here is replayed from score_events — the same ledger the pool ranks on. Decay is what the 23 ideas nobody mentioned gave up this week; it applies only when an episode is processed.
Tier crossings
conviction thresholds crossed by this episode — 65 / 45 / 15 · ideas born here show where they landed. why 65 isn't always green
Kill dates that landed since E25
0 hit · 0 partial · 2 miss — windows that closed after 2021-03-13 and up to 2021-03-20, auto-scored against price data and never hand-set. verdict · R · α
| idea | verdict | R | α | closed |
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| 🌍 COVID crash goes deeper — no V-shaped recovery | MISS | -65.5% | -131.0 | 2021-03-19 |
| 🌍 Eurozone collapses, Japan finished, dollar is the only safety | MISS | -79.2% | -144.7 | 2021-03-19 |
Who moved the board
each voice's force on conviction this episode — supports and opposes, weighted exactly as the replay applied them · share = % of this episode's movement
What got argued (3 ideas)
ordered by how hard each idea moved · quotes are verbatim from the transcript, timestamps deep-link into the episode
Last year, $80 billion was raised in Spacks. This quarter, $100 billion in Spacks. And Spacks are that you cross over investing. It's taking, you know, growth stage, private equity style risk in the public markets with this proliferation of capital. And we're seeing the benefit in the early stage. ... And I think, you know, I think it's the next step up and we just keep seeing these step ups.
And this is where the SPAC makes a ton of sense, because you have a very certain cost of capital. You can now architect a cap table where the founder remains in control, where they and the employees are still more than 50 percent. And you pull in the time of the IPO. Why is that important? Typically today, these companies were taking 12 plus years to go public. Now with SPACs, they've come back in and they're closer to seven and eight years.
I think what the person who wrote the question is asking really is more about DeFi and what's happening sort of like on the Ethereum 2.0, ERC20 contracts, all that stuff, which is sort of much more next-gen, I think, than Bitcoin. ... But what I would say, Friedberg, is all the leakage you have today goes away in a world of DeFi because you will financialize every single asset possible. You'll financialize your homes, you'll financialize your cars, your watches, your jewelry, your art.
I think you can really judge this based upon how much it's being pumped by the people who own it. And they are absolutely dogged, religious about this. It's like talking to a person who's met Jesus, and now everybody has to be a Christian. ... And so I think it's going to be there's going to be a dogfight here where governments are not going to easily give up their control of this. And there's many ways they can make a bunch of red tape to slow this down.
But the thing that jumps out at me about all the critics of Bitcoin, and I'm not like a pumper or whatever, but I do own some, is the thing that all these critics don't seem to understand is the technology. ... As long as that remains true, then Bitcoin can serve as money if everyone believes in it.
Episode digest
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Fan-question episode plus a Chamath-led 'State of Venture Capital' teach-in; thin on tradeable calls, but two of the three market-relevant threads are real. NEW THESIS 1 — Bitcoin institutionalization (Sacks, 13:03 and 21:07): the buyer base has 'gone from retail to institutional', the narrative is the 'separation of money and state', and it takes on 'new urgency now because the government just keeps printing trillions and trillions of dollars of new money'; his technical argument is that Bitcoin is the first digital asset that can't be infinitely copied and that nobody has cracked double-spend in ten years, with the explicit kill condition 'the day that someone figures out how to counterfeit a Bitcoin, how to double spend it, it's all worthless'. DISCLOSED POSITION: Sacks — 'I'm not like a pumper or whatever, but I do own some' (unsized, and he hedges hard: 'this is just really a narrative right now... who knows if it will actually come true'), which is why he's logged at strength 2, not 3. Jason is the counterparty on the record (17:50): he mocks holders as religious converts and argues the regulatory dogfight is coming, citing Yellen and Lagarde coming out against it, India possibly banning it, and China's digital yuan — a genuine cross-besty split logged as oppose. NEW THESIS 2 — Chamath (14:59) redirects the whole decentralization question away from Bitcoin to DeFi: Ethereum 2.0 / ERC-20 is 'much more next-gen, I think, than Bitcoin', and every real-world asset gets financialized, fractionalized and borrowed against, with governments accepting it in exchange for a taxation off-ramp ('people will trade off incremental taxation for incremental monetizability'). Kept as its own idea, not a mention on the Bitcoin thesis, because he is explicitly ranking ETH rails above BTC. REINFORCED — chamath-spac-complex-2020 gets three mentions inside its live window (eval_by 2021-09-09) and notably survives a drawdown: the cold open has Chamath conceding damage ('Back account replenished. He'll be re-billionized') and Jason ribbing him with 'live by the SPAC, die by the SPAC' (logged as a strength-1 brush_off — March 2021 was exactly when the IPOx/SPAC complex cracked). Chamath nonetheless table-pounds the structural case at 1:03:59 (certain cost of capital, founder keeps >50%, go-public pulled in from 12+ years to 7-8), and Friedberg independently builds the flow case at 54:25 ($10B/yr pre-2009 to $13B in 2019 to $80B in 2020 to '$100 billion in Spacks' this quarter) and calls SPACs 'the next step up'. TRASHED — quantum computing and fusion got savaged and was deliberately NOT captured for lack of any 2021 instrument: Chamath, 'I think quantum computing is like fusion... a technical problem that has attracted people who've had more money than common sense', anything 20 years into R&D 'needs to get scrapped and rebuild from scratch', and the AlphaFold-beat-quantum-to-protein-folding jab; Sacks, 'I would never invest in this... these are science fair experiments with indefinite timeframes'; Friedberg gives the actual math — ~4,011 logical qubits needed to crack RSA-2048 versus today's ~100 noisy qubits ('less than one logical qubit'), and 'a less than 5% chance this happens before the year 2040'. Jason floats D-Wave (private in 2021) and gropes for 'Ionic, is that the other one? I-O-N-Q?' — IonQ did not list until Oct 2021 and Commonwealth Fusion was private, so a strongly-held bearish view here has no tradeable expression and was correctly left off the ledger. ALSO NOT CAPTURED (deliberate): the longevity segment (Friedberg on Sinclair/Lifespan, growth-vs-repair gene switch, metformin/rapamycin/NMN, 'arguably, someone is alive on planet Earth today that could live past the age of 200'; Chamath's regimen of statin 20mg + metformin + Prenuvo full-body MRI + HeartFlow calcium scoring) — all private companies or generics, no instrument, no window; the private-market valuation complaints ('early stage valuations went bonkers', growth-stage pre-money up from 100 to 570, typical round up 3x, late-stage up 5x, Tiger doing a deal every 48 hours) — no instrument; and Sacks' AI-application-layer thesis at 30:33, which is the one real judgment call worth second-guessing (two fresh seed deals, Viable and Copy.AI, both 'built on GPT-3', framed as 'what I invest in are the commercialization of new technology waves' — historically prescient, but both companies were private and he never names a listed instrument, so mapping it to MSFT/NVDA would have been me inventing the play, and the correlation between the thesis and either ticker in 2021 is too loose to score honestly). Sacks' SaaS-multiple commentary at 56:24 (Slack/Salesforce at ~$30B, 'pretty routine to see SaaS companies IPO-ing it now $10, $20, $30 billion and up', $43B of exits in 2010 versus $290B in 2020, and agreement that VC 'hits $1 trillion by 2030') was also skipped as backward-looking observation about an unlistable asset class rather than a forward call. OTHER DISCLOSED (private, untradeable) POSITIONS for the record: Sacks and Chamath are both in Pipe (Sacks wrote $2M at a 12 cap and gave the term sheet in 15 minutes; Chamath cites 3,500 customers and $1B+ of ARR connected within nine months of launch), Chamath was a Series A investor in Clearbanc and led the Series A in Relativity Space, and Jason has 'like six' Miami companies plus the syndicate ($50M to deploy this year, 60 deals, against a $44M fund). LABEL NOTES: roster check clean — all four besties present with plausible turn counts (Jason 111, Chamath 84, Friedberg 53, Sacks 43) and no missing speaker, no guest. One merged-interjection artifact: the Friedberg turn at 54:25 opens 'Spacks are the next step, Chamath, because like... Totally. I think what you did...' — the bare 'Totally.' is almost certainly Chamath's interjection swallowed into Friedberg's turn, but the substance (second-person address to Chamath, the SPAC flow data) is unambiguously Friedberg's, so attribution stands. Also note the transcript consistently renders SPACs as 'Spacks' and IonQ as 'Ionic'; quotes preserve the transcript spelling verbatim.