📈 Adobe takes the AI valuation retrade before Figma does
Chamath's stated expression on the Figma IPO is a spread: long Figma against a short of equivalent size in Adobe, because if foundation models absorb design software, the legacy incumbent gets its multiple cut first and further. The tradeable leg for a public-markets participant is the short in Adobe.
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CONVICTION
peaked 35.0 EMBER
DORMANT
band
▼ SHORT ADBE
expression · bearish equities
RIGHT
result · return +41.7% · vs SPY +20.4%
2026-07-04
born 2025-07-04 (E234) → window closed
⚖ Why this result
fully deterministic — computed from daily closes on the scoring date; nothing below is editable or hand-set
- Window: 2025-07-04 → 2026-07-04 — first mention + 12-month horizon, then the window locks.
- The call: ▼ SHORT ADBE (primary play). ADBE fell 41.7% over the window → return (sign flipped for a SHORT) = +41.7% (the call made money).
- Benchmark: holding SPY over the same window returned +21.3%
→ vs SPY = +41.7 − (+21.3) = +20.4%
— what this call made or lost against just owning the index. This is the number the result uses.
Direction-only read: +63.0% — did ADBE move the predicted way relative to the market. The two only differ on a SHORT: this call was right about direction relative to the index but still cost money versus holding it.
- Rule fired:
▶ RIGHT — return ≥ +10% AND beat SPY by 5+ ✓ (return 41.7, vs SPY 20.4)· HALF — return ≥ +5% OR beat SPY at all· WRONG — everything else
- Credit: supporters of a RIGHT earn 1.0 each, opposers the opposite — this feeds the scoreboard. supported: Chamath
Conviction timeline
bands: green ≥ 65 · watch ≥ 45 · ember ≥ 15
Plays vs SPY · % since first mention (2025-07-04)
Plays
| expression | symbol | kind | relevance | rationale |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| ▼ SHORT | ADBE | stock | PRIMARY | the short leg of the spread — named as the name that retrades on valuation faster than Figma |
Mention log newest first
Chamath
equities 42% · n=163
· E234 (2025-07-04) · explicit_prediction · strength 2
▶ 1:16:29
SUPPORT
“The free money I think trade, instead of having to bet up or down Jason on AI, I would, if I could get like 50 or 100 million dollars of Figma, I would probably be long it and I would short an equivalent quantum of Adobe, and I would just book the spread. And I think you make a ton of money that way. That's a safer trade because even if the AI model thing comes around the corner, we don't see it. The person who's going to take a retrade on valuation faster than Figma will be Adobe.”
Who built this conviction
each voice's total push on the score, in conviction points across every mention — supports and opposes · share = % of all mention-driven movement
⏳ decay drained -29.4 over the idea's life — that's time passing, attributed to no one
Score events
| episode | kind | Δ | after | note |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| E234 2025-07-04 | init | +35.0 | 35.0 | E234 born by Chamath (explicit_prediction x2) |
| E235 2025-07-11 | decay | -1.4 | 33.6 | E235 silent |
| E236 2025-07-19 | decay | -1.3 | 32.3 | E236 silent |
| E237 2025-08-01 | decay | -1.3 | 31.0 | E237 silent |
| E238 2025-08-09 | decay | -1.2 | 29.7 | E238 silent |
| E239 2025-08-15 | decay | -1.2 | 28.5 | E239 silent |
| E240 2025-08-22 | decay | -1.1 | 27.4 | E240 silent |
| E241 2025-08-29 | decay | -1.1 | 26.3 | E241 silent |
| E242 2025-09-07 | decay | -1.1 | 25.2 | E242 silent |
| E243 2025-09-19 | decay | -1.0 | 24.2 | E243 silent |
| E244 2025-09-27 | decay | -1.0 | 23.3 | E244 silent |
| E245 2025-10-03 | decay | -0.9 | 22.3 | E245 silent |
| E246 2025-10-10 | decay | -0.9 | 21.4 | E246 silent |
| E247 2025-10-17 | decay | -0.9 | 20.6 | E247 silent |
| E248 2025-10-24 | decay | -0.8 | 19.8 | E248 silent |
| E249 2025-10-31 | decay | -0.8 | 19.0 | E249 silent |
| E250 2025-11-07 | decay | -0.8 | 18.2 | E250 silent |
| E251 2025-11-14 | decay | -0.7 | 17.5 | E251 silent |
| E252 2025-11-22 | decay | -0.7 | 16.8 | E252 silent |
| E253 2025-12-06 | decay | -0.7 | 16.1 | E253 silent |
| E254 2025-12-13 | decay | -0.6 | 15.5 | E254 silent |
| E255 2025-12-19 | decay | -0.6 | 14.9 | E255 silent |
| E256 2025-12-31 | decay | -0.6 | 14.3 | E256 silent |
| E257 2026-01-10 | decay | -0.6 | 13.7 | E257 silent |
| E258 2026-01-17 | decay | -0.5 | 13.1 | E258 silent |
| E259 2026-01-30 | decay | -0.5 | 12.6 | E259 silent |
| E260 2026-02-07 | decay | -0.5 | 12.1 | E260 silent |
| E261 2026-02-13 | decay | -0.5 | 11.6 | E261 silent |
| E262 2026-02-28 | decay | -0.5 | 11.2 | E262 silent |
| E263 2026-03-06 | decay | -0.4 | 10.7 | E263 silent |
| E264 2026-03-13 | decay | -0.4 | 10.3 | E264 silent |
| E265 2026-03-19 | decay | -0.4 | 9.9 | E265 silent |
| E266 2026-03-27 | decay | -0.4 | 9.5 | E266 silent |
| E267 2026-04-03 | decay | -0.4 | 9.1 | E267 silent |
| E268 2026-04-10 | decay | -0.4 | 8.7 | E268 silent |
| E269 2026-04-17 | decay | -0.3 | 8.4 | E269 silent |
| E270 2026-04-24 | decay | -0.3 | 8.1 | E270 silent |
| E271 2026-05-01 | decay | -0.3 | 7.7 | E271 silent |
| E272 2026-05-08 | decay | -0.3 | 7.4 | E272 silent |
| E273 2026-05-15 | decay | -0.3 | 7.1 | E273 silent |
| E274 2026-05-22 | decay | -0.3 | 6.8 | E274 silent |
| E275 2026-05-29 | decay | -0.3 | 6.6 | E275 silent |
| E276 2026-06-13 | decay | -0.3 | 6.3 | E276 silent |
| E277 2026-06-19 | decay | -0.3 | 6.0 | E277 silent |
| E278 2026-06-26 | decay | -0.2 | 5.8 | E278 silent |
| E279 2026-07-03 | decay | -0.2 | 5.6 | E279 silent |