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And so the point of this chart is if we really need all we could eat on energy for artificial intelligence, and if artificial intelligence, the race is the, you know, race for national security and dominance in the world. This is saying we're taking a step backwards on this supply.

Jason support ×2 ▲ on ⚡ IRA energy tax credits survive repeal because AI needs the electrons E237 · 2025-08-01 ▶ 28:09

it's cheaper to put in a solar and battery farm than a new coal plant. It is 100%.

Friedberg oppose ×2 ▲ on ⚡ IRA energy tax credits survive repeal because AI needs the electrons E237 · 2025-08-01 ▶ 28:38

These methane plants are half the cost of solar. They can get stood up in less than two years to generate a gigawatt.

Chamath support ×2 ▲ on ⚡ IRA energy tax credits survive repeal because AI needs the electrons E237 · 2025-08-01 ▶ 14:11

we are sort of back to basics almost in a sense where in the absence of power, I think AI is not going to be the thing that we think it can be. So that's going to create an enormous amount of appetite by the federal government to do deals and get players on the field. And that's to me very exciting. So, yeah, I came away really, really risk on, I guess is the best way to say it.

Chamath oppose ×2 ▲ on ⚡ IRA energy tax credits survive repeal because AI needs the electrons E234 · 2025-07-04 ▶ 22:47

So, I don't know, my perspective is get rid of all the subsidies at this point, create a clean slate, but don't do anything to hinder the production of electricity, because we need literally as much of it as we can get our hands on.

Friedberg oppose ×2 ▲ on ⚡ IRA energy tax credits survive repeal because AI needs the electrons E234 · 2025-07-04 ▶ 16:23

Now, I will say, from my point of view, I'm not a huge fan of being dependent on government subsidized energy at all. So if the government is having to play a role in funding stuff, there's something really questionable in terms of our sustainability on that energy production source.

Chamath reversal ×3 ▲ on ⚡ IRA energy tax credits survive repeal because AI needs the electrons E229 · 2025-05-24 ▶ 17:35

You take the financial incentive away and you can't underwrite this thing. What are they going to do? They're just going to stop doing it. So in the absence of electrons, what happens? Prices go up, it's inflationary, and now you'll have to allocate electrons.

Chamath support ×2 ▲ on ⚡ IRA energy tax credits survive repeal because AI needs the electrons E223 · 2025-04-11 ▶ 46:53

Inside the IRA, I think that there were two things, and I've said this pretty repeatedly, but I just want to put it on the record again. The ITC credits and the ITC transfer markets for those credits, the tax equity markets, are critical industries in America to support private investment in all kinds of very complicated markets, energy markets being the most important.

Chamath support ×2 ▲ on ⚡ IRA energy tax credits survive repeal because AI needs the electrons E218 · 2025-03-08 ▶ 30:18

But the other part of the IRA, this narrow part is what it did to reinforce tax incentives and tax equity, which is a $200 billion market that incentivizes that 90% of energy generation. So my point is that when you start to get into the details, when the house, ways and means community has to figure out what part to put back, this is going to be hard because it's like, hold on, if you got the whole thing, now all of a sudden you take 90% of the incremental energy generation incentives out of the market, you don't have enough electrons.